Rebirth - What is it?

SONofODIN

TMO remember you asked about how could animals seek better rebirth? I read from a book that we human can help animal to seek better rebirth. By chanting mantra to them could implant dharma seed into their mind which could help them to reborn as human in future life. A good and simple method is to buy a couple ringgit of live crickets, shrimps or guppy fish, chant  a few lines of mantra before releasing them.

wei_loon5063

they understand the suttra in pali?

SONofODIN

No but Sanskrit.

tickmeoff

eh... I am not sure about that. IT does sound strange though. I dont think the animals have the ability to understand the mantra. Perhaps doing metta and transfer it to the animals will be a better way.

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22-10-2007 10:16 AM
eh... I am not sure about that. IT does sound strange though. I dont think the animals have the ability to understand the mantra. Perhaps doing metta and transfer it to the animals will be a bett ...

are you sure?

Look at dogs.........

dogs all round the world understand language.. in wesern, they sit when human say sit, in china, they say Zhuo and they sit. same goes round the world...........

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 21/10/2007 08:39
TMO remember you asked about how could animals seek better rebirth? I read from a book that we human can help animal to seek better rebirth. By chanting mantra to them could implant dharma seed i ...

The Buddha forbid bhikkhus and bhikkhunis to recite or chant mantra, and the Buddha also forbid them to teach other people to chant or recite it.....

Thus, chanting or recite mantra clearly contradicts the teachings of the Buddha.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22/10/2007 10:16
eh... I am not sure about that. IT does sound strange though. I dont think the animals have the ability to understand the mantra. Perhaps doing metta and transfer it to the animals will be a bett ...

I personally agree on using metta.

tickmeoff

any reason why Buddha forbade his disciples to recite the mantra?

I think these boddhisatvas actually exist. I think the buddha did not want us to become so complacent having the knowledge that there are actually some beings that is helping everyone in Samsara to achieve liberation. what do you think?

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22/10/2007 22:30
any reason why Buddha forbade his disciples to recite the mantra?

I think these boddhisatvas actually exist. I think the buddha did not want us to become so complacent having the knowledge tha ...

I do not know... but of course, the bodhisatta exist, and for what reason mantra is not allowed to be recited or chanted I do not know, but clearly, we know that the Buddha does not promote the use of mantra, then how come in our modern buddhist society, especially found in the mahayana tradition, there are many mantras which presents itself as given by Buddha Gotama?

Clearly, many of these mantra is not Buddhism, but people of later times claim it to be, and where the source is I do not know, but is certainly not in the Buddha's discourse.

tickmeoff

IF the Buddha forbade Mantra to be recited, then there  must be some truth in the mantra to beseech the help of the boddhisatvas?

I have attended puja presided by a tibetan monk, the experience was surreal. It was the Empowerment of Manjushri. In fact, that was the moment when I decided to follow Buddha 100% , and I took refuge there and then.

I think Boddhisatvas have their role to play as well as Sammasambuddho, Pecekka buddha, arahants , Devas in the Pure ABodes - they all want us to be liberated, and they all guide us to Dhamma. Even asuras and the Ghosts also have their role to play - to remind us of the truth of existence.

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SONofODIN

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22-10-2007 10:16 AM
eh... I am not sure about that. IT does sound strange though. I dont think the animals have the ability to understand the mantra. Perhaps doing metta and transfer it to the animals will be a bett ...

Animals don't need to understand the mantras. The mantras are meant to implant in the subconcious of the animals.
Their subconcious understands the mantra. This method is taught in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism. There is nothing strange about it.

SONofODIN

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 22-10-2007 08:20 PM


The Buddha forbid bhikkhus and bhikkhunis to recite or chant mantra, and the Buddha also forbid them to teach other people to chant or recite it.....

Thus, chanting or recite mantra clearl ...

If mantra can help to liberate the poor animals, why not use it. It doesn't do any harm. Vajrayana and Mahayana practise mantra chanting. Mantra chanting also helps in concentration of the mind. I think we shouldn't follow what is written in the book blindly.
During Buddha's time, he forbade his disciple to walk in the street at night. The reason was there was no street light then and it would be dangerous to walk in the dark. This rule doesn't apply in modern time where we have street light, xenon light and HID. Rule is dead, Dhamma is not.

SONofODIN

There are many teachings which were not taught by Buddha in his life time. Some of the teachings were 'too advance' during that time, Buddha implanted these teaching into the subconcious mind of some disciples. Those disciples would then 'discover' these teachings in their future lives when the time is right.

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wei_loon5063

Originally posted by SONofODIN at 24-10-2007 04:42 PM
There are many teachings which were not taught by Buddha in his life time. Some of the teachings were 'too advance' during that time, Buddha implanted these teaching into the subconcious mind of  ...

has thor realise it yet?

SONofODIN

Thor did not attend any of Budhha's discourse. Buddha taught in the heavenly kingdom of Indra but not in Asgard.

tickmeoff

That idea is a bit far-fetched dont you think?

SONofODIN

I don't know. I read it from Vajrayana books.

tickmeoff

they use a different method to reach the tranquil state of mind. i guess it's all up to the individual

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 26-10-2007 08:32 AM
they use a different method to reach the tranquil state of mind. i guess it's all up to the individual

from a book that i ahve read, there are about 40 ways to tranquil the mind.......

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