siapa buddha

Originally posted by orangbesi at 9-9-2005 10:23 PM
nak join sekaki
rasa dah sesuai saya masuk balik
wahai penganut agama Buddha betulkan Buddha ajar tiada konsep TUHAN
sedangkan dia bertapa pun utk dekat dgn TUHAN
ajaran yg dibawanya adalah aja ...

ajaran yg dibawa oleh Buddha bukan ajaran Tuhan, Buddha bertapa bukan utk mendekati Tuhan.
ajaran asal BuddhaTAK ada konsep Pencipta dan Tuhan. Begitu juga semua mazhab agama Buddha, tak ada konsep Buddha.
Kat Indo, ada satu pertubuhan yg mendakwa mereka mengajar agama Buddha Maitreya (Maitreya belum lahir pun, mereka mengarut),dlm ajaran itu ada konsep Tuhan dan mereka dibenarkan menyertai WALUBI (Majlis perwakilan umat Buddhist),sebab itu agama Buddha kat Indo berpecah belah(ada faktor lain juga),muncal lah dua pertubuhan yg mewakili umat Buddha kat Indo.

Saya pernah menghadiri seminar anjuran IKIM, pd hari terakhir, ada forum.
Jadi, wakil-wakil dari agama Buddha,Hindu,Kristian,Sikh,Islam berbincang tentang "family".
wakil Hindu juga kata Tuhan bagi semua agama adalah sama.
At the end of the seminar, dlm ucapan penutupan pengerusi IKIM, beliau terus kata " I dun agree with Mr...(dunno wat his name)."

[ Last edited by Vijaya at 10-9-2005 01:42 AM ]

orangbesi

SEJAHTERA UTK SEMUA
kalau pengerusi IKIM kata begitu
ternyata dia tak faham, orang bodohlah katakan
begitu jugak terjadi pada ramai yg mengaku pandai dlm agama, termasuk dlm islam
sedangkan mereka menggunakan agama utk kepentingan mereka sahaja
bukan utk kepentingan masyarakat
jadi biarlah mereka, jangan layan kita hanya ingatkan aje
hanya TUHAN menentukan

ttg Buddha ni, saya dah cuba cari, tapi buat masa ni tak banyak dapat dicerita
mungkin bermulanya manusia `MENGHORMATI BUDDHA'  ialah di asia barat
antara afghanistan, iran, iraq dan ke utara
hasil dr kajian kedudukan tamadun manusia
dan spt yg ada tahu, lebih kurang 3000 - 4000 tahun dulu
tak tahu samada sebelum atau selepas Nabi Musa bagi org Islam
memang susah nak cari keterangan ttg Buddha inilah
tapi i try my best and we share together,
bukan utk diikut tapi utk kita kaji/tukar pendapat, sbb mungkin ada salah

GOD BLESS US ALL

Originally posted by orangbesi at 10-9-2005 10:24 PM
SEJAHTERA UTK SEMUA
kalau pengerusi IKIM kata begitu
ternyata dia tak faham, orang bodohlah katakan
begitu jugak terjadi pada ramai yg mengaku pandai dlm agama, termasuk dlm islam
sedangkan mereka menggunakan agama utk kepentingan mereka sahaja
bukan utk kepentingan masyarakat
jadi biarlah mereka, jangan layan kita hanya ingatkan aje
hanya TUHAN menentukan

ttg Buddha ni, saya dah cuba cari, tapi buat masa ni tak banyak dapat dicerita
mungkin bermulanya manusia `MENGHORMATI BUDDHA'  ialah di asia barat
antara afghanistan, iran, iraq dan ke utara
hasil dr kajian kedudukan tamadun manusia
dan spt yg ada tahu, lebih kurang 3000 - 4000 tahun dulu
tak tahu samada sebelum atau selepas Nabi Musa bagi org Islam
memang susah nak cari keterangan ttg Buddha inilah
tapi i try my best and we share together,
bukan utk diikut tapi utk kita kaji/tukar pendapat, sbb mungkin ada salah

GOD BLESS US ALL

Pengerusi IKIM tu langsung tak "bagi muka" kat wakil Hindu tu...


tak paham apa yg anda hendak sampaikan...

What Buddhist Believe
Ven. Dr K Sri Dhammanada

Was Buddha an Incarnation of God?
By Ven. Dr K Sri Dhammananda

Never had the Buddha claimed that He was the son or a messenger of God.

The Buddha was a unique human being who was self-Enlightened. He had no one whom He could regard as His teacher. Through His own efforts, He practised to perfection the ten supreme qualities of generosity, discipline, renunciation, wisdom, energy, endurance, truthfulness, determination, goodwill and equanimity. Through His mental purification, He opened the doors to all knowledge. He knew all things to be known, cultivated all things to be cultivated, and destroyed all things to be destroyed. Indeed, no other religious teacher was comparable to Him in terms of cultivation and attainment.

So special was He and so electrifying His message, that many people asked Him 'What(not so much as Who) He was'. Questions on 'Who He was' would be with respect to His name, origin, ancestry, etc., while 'What He was' referred to the order of beings to which He belonged. So 'godly and inspiring was He that even during His time, there were numerous attempts of others to turn Him into a god or a reincarnation of god. Never did He agree to be regarded as such. In the Anguttara Nikaya, He said: 'I am not indeed a deva, nor a gandharva, nor a yaksa, nor a manusya. Know ye that I am the Buddha.' After Enlightenment, the Buddha could no longer be classified even as a 'manusya' or an ordinary human being. He belonged to the Buddha Wangsa, special race or species of enlightened beings, all of whom are Buddhas.

Buddhas appear in this world from time to time. But some people have the mistaken idea that it is the same Buddha who is reincarnated or appears in the world over and over again. Actually, they are not the same person, otherwise there is no scope for others to attain Buddhahood. Buddhists believe that anyone can become a Buddha if he develops his qualities to perfection and is able to remove his ignorance completely through his own efforts. After Enlightenment, all Buddhas are similar in their attainment and experience of Nibbana.

In India, the followers of many orthodox religious groups tried to condemn the Buddha because of His liberal teaching which revolutionized the Indian society. Many regarded Him as an enemy when increasing numbers of intellectuals as well as people from all ranks of society took up the religion. When they failed in their attempt to destroy Him, they adopted the reverse strategy of introducing Him as a reincarnation of one of their gods. This way they could absorb Buddhism into their religion. To a certain extent, this strategy worked in India since it had, through the centuries, contributed to the decay and the subsequent uprooting of Buddhism from the land of its origin.

Even today there are certain religionists who try to absorb the Buddha into their beliefs as a way of gaining converts among Buddhists. Their basis for doing so is by claiming that the Buddha Himself had predicted that another Buddha would appear in this world, and that the latest Buddha will become even more popular. One group named a religious teacher who lived 600 years after Gautama the Buddha as the latest Buddha. Another group said that the next Buddha had already arrived in Japan in the 13th century. Yet another group believed that their founder came from the lineage of great teachers(like Gautama and Jesus) and that founder was the latest Buddha. These groups advised Buddhists to give up their old Buddha and follow the so-called new Buddha. While it is good to see them giving the Buddha the same status as their own religious teachers, we feel that these attempts to absorb Buddhists into another faith by misrepresenting the truth are in extreme bad taste.

Those who claim that the new Buddha had already arrived are obviously misrepresenting what the Buddha had said. Although the Buddha predicted the coming of the next Buddha, He mentioned some conditions which had to be met before this can be possible. It is the nature of Buddhahood that the next Buddha will not appear as the dispensation of the current Buddha still exits. He will appear only when the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path have been completely forgotten. The people living then must be properly guided in order to understand the same Truth taught by the previous Buddhas. We are still living within the dispensation of Gautama the Buddha. Although the moral conduct of the people has, with very few exceptions, deteriorated, the future Buddha would only appear at some incalculable period when the Path to Nibbana is completely lost to mankind and when people are ready to receive Him.  

Note: The presentation has been changed a bit but there is no change at all in the contents.

[ Last edited by ariyamusafir at 14-9-2005 01:59 AM ]

orangbesi

sebenarnya ada dikalangan manusia beragama untuk kepentingan
seperti contohnya mereka memberi ceramah dan mesti diberi elaun
sedangkan di dalam beragama seperti juga Buddha
mereka beragama dengan seikhlas hati mereka
tak mengharapkan apa-apa give/take dr individu yg mereka tolong

dan mungkin juga mereka beragama, tetapi kurang faham
dan mereka ini hanya bercakap mengikut tahap kefahaman mereka pada masa itu
bukan tahap kefahaman yang sepenuhnya
seperti menetapkan HUKUM-HUKUM untuk manusia

boleh faham sikit kah???

TQ kerana explanation tu, tapi adakah hanya itu sahaja pegangan yg ada
maksud saya ada tak lagi pegangan tentang asal usul dan pegangan Buddha
spt di Indonesia yg mengatakan Buhhda tu messenger of God

Originally posted by orangbesi at 13-9-2005 12:39 PM
sebenarnya ada dikalangan manusia beragama untuk kepentingan
seperti contohnya mereka memberi ceramah dan mesti diberi elaun
sedangkan di dalam beragama seperti juga Buddha
mereka beragama denga ...

Golongan kat Indo tu sebenar beragama I Kuan Tao, mereka menganggap Buddha,Jesus,Nabi Muhamamd,Confucius tu pesuruh Tuhan, mereka panggil Tuhan mereka "Lao Mu Liang" (Ibu Tua).

Konsep tuhan tu bercanggah dengan ajaran dasar Buddhism,"dependent arising".

orangbesi

adakah ajaran Buddha sekarang ini adalah yg asal
yg dibawa oleh Gautama Budhha?

adakah terdapat sebarang perpecahan di dalam kefahaman
ajaran Buddha di seluruh dunia??

maaf kerana banyak bertanya, ialah ajaran yg dah ada dibumi
hampir 4000 tahun dahulu

Originally posted by orangbesi at 17-9-2005 02:39 PM
adakah ajaran Buddha sekarang ini adalah yg asal
yg dibawa oleh Gautama Budhha?

adakah terdapat sebarang perpecahan di dalam kefahaman
ajaran Buddha di seluruh dunia??

maaf kerana banyak b ...

kitab pali tipitaka merupakan kitab suci agama Buddha yg asal dan masih ditulis dlm bahasa pali,iaitu bahasa yg digunakan oleh Buddha semasa menyebarkan kebenaran.

Ya, memang ada perpecahan kefahaman di antara mazhab-mazhab agama Buddha.
3 mazhab utama agama Buddha:

-Theravada--- mazhab utama di Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia yg menggunakan pali tipitaka.

-Mahayana--- yg asalnya menggunakan sanskrit tipitaka yg dah  hilang semasa tentera muslim menyerang agama Buddha tetapi masih ada versi Cina, Tibet, Korea, Mongolia, Vietnam dan Jepun.

-Vajrayana--- Bhutan, Tibet, Mongolia.

Dlm agama Buddha, ada tiga "jalan"utk mencapai Nibbana iaitu Sammasmbodhi, Paccekabodhi and Savakabodhi. Pepecahan kefahaman berlaku kerana penekanan terhadap "jalan" yg diikut berbeza.

Namun begitu, tiga mazhab besar dan mazhab-mazhab kecil masih mengiktiraf sesama sebagai agama Buddha kerana:

    Both accept Sakyamuni Buddha as the Teacher.

    The Four Noble Truths are exactly the same in both schools.

    The Eightfold Path is exactly the same in both schools.

    The Pattica-Samuppada or teaching on Dependent Origination is the same in both   schools.

    Both reject the idea of a supreme being who created and governed this world.

    Both accept Anicca, Dukkha, Anatta and Sila, Samadhi, Panna without any difference.

Gravedigger

Dari manakah sumber wajah Buddha yang di ukir pada patung-patung dan yang manakah antaranya paling tepat menggambarkan wajah Buddha. Siapakah pengukir asalnya yang ada melihat wajah Buddha?

Mengapa pula wajah Buddha orang Cina lain pula....gemuk dan berkepala  botak?

Originally posted by Gravedigger at 18-9-2005 09:54 AM
Dari manakah sumber wajah Buddha yang di ukir pada patung-patung dan yang manakah antaranya paling tepat menggambarkan wajah Buddha. Siapakah pengukir asalnya yang ada melihat wajah ...

Satu soalan yg baik sekali.

Originally posted by Gravedigger at 18-9-2005 09:54 AM
Dari manakah sumber wajah Buddha yang di ukir pada patung-patung dan yang manakah antaranya paling tepat menggambarkan wajah Buddha. Siapakah pengukir asalnya yang ada melihat wajah Buddha?

Mengapa pula wajah Buddha orang Cina lain pula....gemuk dan berkepala  botak?

Dlm kitab Agama (not religion, salah satu kitab Buddha), dikatakan Buddha telah pergi ke syurga utk menyebarkan kebenaran kepada dewa-dewi. Pelajar-pelajarnya di muka bumi sangat merindui Buddha. Jadi, seorang raja telah mengarahkan rupa Buddha diukir untuk mengingati Buddha.

Patung Buddha diukir mengikut characteristics yg ada pada seorang Buddha yg dicatatkan dlm Tipitaka.

Kebanyakkan patung Buddha adalah berambut,termasuk patung Buddha org Cina.
Patung Buddha org Cina kelihatan lebih gemuk kerana org Cina ni selalu mementingkan keberkatan(blessing) yg dikaitkan dengan gemuk (maknanya makan banyak, jadi gemukla)dlm masyarakat Cina, begitu juga dengan Jepun dan Korea.

orangbesi

mr vijaya
bagaimanakah pendapat anda kerana
ajaran Buddha telah ujud lebih 3000 tahun dahulu
jadi adakah kemungkinan ajaran/kitab yg asal diubah/dialih
oleh manusia selepasnya
sebab dr kajian saya tiada ajaran yg mampu bertahan lama
sezamannya, bahkan semua  ajaran diubah oleh manusia selepas itu

jadi adakah ajaran sekarang yg ORIGINAL???
thanks

Originally posted by orangbesi at 22-9-2005 01:04 PM
mr vijaya
bagaimanakah pendapat anda kerana
ajaran Buddha telah ujud lebih 3000 tahun dahulu
jadi adakah kemungkinan ajaran/kitab yg asal diubah/dialih
oleh manusia selepasnya
sebab dr kajian  ...

so, u nak kata agama Buddha sekarang tak pure lah?
Kitab Pali Tipitaka masih direkod dlm bahasa yg digunakan oleh Buddha semasa mengajar di India. Selepas Buddha masuk mahaparinibbana, 500 arahat yg juga telah mencapai nibbana telah berkumpul dan melafazkan ajaran Buddha. Dan Pali Tipitaka selama ini dilindungi oleh sangha Theravada, terutamanya dari Maha Vihara yg mengutamakan ajaran asal Buddha dan tidak mengubah ayat-ayat mahupun bahasa dlm Pali Tipitaka. Malah, sangha Theravada telah berkumpul sebanyak 6 kali untuk memastikan ajaran asal Buddha dilindungi dan tidak dimasukkan ajaran dari agama lain.

joe1983

respek cclee...berani keluar pendapat...sebenar nyer lee kalau awk nak tau....selepas manusia semua nyer mati..dalam kepercayaan orang islam(yg bersumberkan al quran)...nanti ader syurga neraka...taukah lee...dalam neraka..siksa yg paling berat yg kene tanggung ialah orang yg islam tapi tidak mengamalkan islam dan lebih berat lagi jadi musuh dalam selimut islam...dan dalam islam kalauseseorang tuh belum sampai lagi ayat2 quran kat dier kemungkinan masuk syurga sebab pengetahuan tentang islam belum sampai(cth orang asli).. jadi kalau awk lihat orang islam yg tak sembahyang,faham alquran,cakap bahase lembut,keluarkan duit utk amal selepas mati,menjauh kan hiburan yg terlalu melalaikan akhirat.dan sebagainyer...adalah bukan pencinta agame islam sebenarnyer...kadang2 lee ader yg islam dier hanyer pade keturunan...tapi tak berape paham agame sendiri....orang islam percaye selepas mati manusia akan melihat allah...dan percaye lagi kalau semase hidup  ..dier agame yg selain agame islam.tapi lepas mati ...allah akan tanyer kpd orang tersebut...saperkah tuhan selain allah?...dan di alam mati orang tu tetap akan mengaku tiade tuhan selain allah...dan lagi...emmm banyak lagi tapi cukup lah dulu....

tickmeoff

Originally posted by nahzaluz at 20-8-2005 01:30 AM


hah! No one almighty god creator? i've heard about this before but i didn't understand the philosophy behind this faith.

This is where the Agama Langit (Islam/kristian/ judaism) differs from Buddhism. In Agama Langit, there is One Supreme Being that created the world, the Great Designer, the Great Refuge, the ROck and Foundation of the whole universe.

In Buddhism, there is no such being. Some students asked Buddha how the world was created, how old was it, and how long it will last. Buddha replied that it is useless to find the answer to that question. He gave an example of a dying man who was struck by an arrow on his chest. In the final hours of his life, he kept asking his friends..' what is the size of the arrow that hit me, what is the speed of the arrow, colour , the person who fired the arrow..' He pointed out that these questions are as irrelevant to us human beings of trying to seek the answer to the secrets of the universe, because we are like that dying man with an arrow on the chest.

The important thing is to remove that arrow. In this explaination, Buddha said that all beings on the world must seek the Truth to what causes death/decay/ rebirth and to attain enlightenment.  

Buddhism is a very metaphysical belief system. I also find it a bit hard to understand but I do find it very logical because it explains a lot of things such as inequality, circumstances of birth for each one on earth.

Agama Langit is very simple, you just follow the rules and the rites written in the books and you gain entry to Heaven.

ariyamusafir

Sebenarnya, the day will come whereby the dispensation of Buddha Gotama ends, and that the teachings of the Buddha forgotten. That period will be very very long until one day Bodhisatta Ajita becomes a sammasam buddha like Buddha Gotama as Buddha Metteya. The sammasam buddha before Buddha Gotama is Buddha Kassapa. Buddha Kassapa became a sammasam buddha, tought the world, attained parinibbana and then until a period of time his dispensation lasted, then his dispensation ends and his teachings forgotten. This happens. It too will happen for Buddha Gotama's dispensation.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any above.

orangbesi

salam

please mr ariya musafir
eloberate more on your last post
i'm still trying to figure out your religion

and for mr tickmeoff, i have to correct your WORDS
no such thing as agama langit,
hidup ini senang sajalah mr tickmeoff
cukup senang kalau kita faham
dan kita hidup dengan HATI YANG IKHLAS
CUKUP IKHLAS

agama langit tu sama dengan agama samawi kan??

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by orangbesi at 3-12-2005 09:42 PM
salam

please mr ariya musafir
eloberate more on your last post
i'm still trying to figure out your religion

and for mr tickmeoff, i have to correct your WORDS
no such thing as agama langit ...

I am a Buddhist by the way. I am sorry, bolehkah saudara tolong specify which post. I would deeply appreciate it.

Ini bukan kutukan tetapi untuk kita berfikir. Maaf lah ya Bahasa saya memang tidak seberapa
tetapi haya setakat pembaca faham sahaja.

Seperti yang dinyatakan patung buddha yang kita buddhist sembah, sentiasa dipersoal oleh agama
yang lain seperti yang beragama islam kenapa?
Adakah in kerana agama islam tidak membenarkan sesiapa sahaja diidolakan
betul? (tidak seberapa pasti)
Anggapan yang buddhist mengidolakan patung buddha adalah terlalu cetek, patung yang disembah
bukan diidolakan tetapi hanya diperingati dan di hormati. (But to some nowadays yes they do idolize,
and it iswrong)
Seperti pada masa kini dimana gambar gambar orang yang "took over and govern a country "
ditampalkan dimana mana tempat kerja, adakah itu bermaksud mereka diidolakan?
Jikalau agama islam tidak membenarkan, kenapa perkara sebegini berlaku?

Anggapan sebegitu Salah bukan? mereka bukan diidolakan tetapi hanya diberi penghormatan.
Sama sahaja tentang patung patung buddha di kuill buddha. Tetapi penghormatan yang diberi kepada
buddha akan sia sia sahaja jika pengamalan tidak dilakukan.

Terdapat satu *teori* dari mana penyembahan patung buddha bermula: Zaman dulu masih tidak
mempunyai kamera untuk menangkap gambar atau wajah seseorang, hanya terdapat pelukis pelukis yang mengecat wajah keatas kain. Dan untuk mendapat wajah sekalian keatas kain tersebut
memerlukan "a hefty payment". Jadi pengikut pengikut Buddha hanya menggunakan  tanah untuk
mengukir wajah beliau untuk diperingati dan di hormati. Oleh itu telah manjadi turun temurun sehingga
sekarang.
*a theory is only a tought, and for it to be true it needs to be proven*

I have a question that i need to enquire to folks out there that is muslims. If god is almighty then why
must young children and babies die in wars, plagues etc? Those are innocents that had not touch the
sides of neither good or bad. Was they wrongly put into this world and god took them back? If yes
he is almighty why did he made a mistake?
Does islam have a teaching that is similliar to karma? Please kindly explain.
Now this is just a question not to criticise any religion!
Knowing is the form of maturity and to know is to learn and to learn is to ask