Fencing / Lawan Pedang

frisky_mango

Hi all...

ade tak sesiapa kat sini yg interested in fencing and/or is a member of any fencing club in malaysia?

i had a very basic training once upon a time, and i called the selangor amateur fencing association several years ago with a very keen interest to join but it is quite pricey lah....

so if anyone can share his/her experience with such clubs/association here in malaysia, i wud be most grateful....

here's the SAFA link http://www.selangorfencing.com/

happy fencing!

p/s : tonnes of info here...:gila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing and here http://www.fencingonline.com/academy/history.htm



[ Last edited by  dexa at 20-5-2007 07:01 PM ]

Sephiroth

Don't like fencing ... but familiar with it from books.

I believe it is too expensive for most people, especially those equipments, armour etc. But good investment, especially since Malaysia don't have any candidates for fencing competitions in Europe.

frisky_mango

History of Fencing - Where did it start?
Swordfighting as sport has existed since ancient Egypt, and has been practiced in many forms in various cultures since then. Although jousting and tournament combat was a popular sport in the European middle ages, modern FIE fencing owes more to unarmoured dueling forms that evolved from 16th century rapier combat. Rapiers evolved from cut-and-thrust military swords, but were most popular amongst civilians who used it for self-defence and dueling. Rapiers were edged, but the primary means of attack was the thrust. Rapier fencing spread from Spain and Italy to northwest Europe, in spite of the objections of masters such as George Silver who preferred traditional cutting weapons such the English broad sword.

The Spanish school, under masters such as Narvaez and Thibault, became a complicated and mystical affair whose geometrical theories required much practice to master. Italian masters like Agrippa and Capo Ferro developed a more pragmatic school in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, introducing innovations such as linear fencing and the lunge.

By the 18th century, the rapier had evolved to a simpler, shorter, and lighter design that was popularized in France as the small sword. Although the small sword often had an edge, it was only to discourage the opponent from grabbing the blade, and the weapon was used exclusively for thrusting. The light weight made a more complex and defensive style possible, and the French masters developed a school based on defence with the sword, subtlety of movement, and complex attacks. When buttoned with a leather safety tip that resembled a flower bud, the small sword was known as le fleuret, and was identical in use to the modern foil (still known as le fleuret in French). Indeed, the French small sword school forms the basis of most of modern fencing theory.

By the mid-19th century, dueling was in decline as a means of settling disputes, partially because victory could lead to a jail term for assault or manslaughter. Emphasis shifted to defeating the opponent without necessarily killing him, and less fatal dueling forms evolved using the dueling sword, or epee de terrain, an unedged variant of the small sword. Later duels often ended with crippling thrusts to the arm or leg, and fewer legal difficulties for the participants. This is the basis of modern epee fencing.

Cutting swords had been used in bloodsports such as backsword prizefights at least as far back as the 17th century. Broadswords, sabres, and cutlasses were used extensively in military circles, especially by cavalry and naval personell, and saw some dueling application in these circles as well. Training was performed with wooden weapons, and stick fighting remained popular until Italian masters formalized sabre fencing into a non-fatal sporting/training form with metal weapons in the late 19th century. Early sport sabres were significantly heavier than the modern sport sabre and necessitated a strong style with the use of moulinets and other bold movements. As with thrusting swords, the sabre evolved to lighter, less fatal dueling forms such as the Italian sciabola di terro and the German schlager. Hungarian masters developed a new school of sabre fencing that emphasized finger control over arm strength, and they dominated sabre fencing for most of the 20th century.

Dueling faded away after the First World War. A couple of noteworthy duels were fought over disputes that arose during Olympic games in the 1920s, and there have been rare reports of sword duels since then. In October 1997, the Mayor of Calabria, Italy, publicly challenged certain Mafiosos to a duel. German fraternity dueling (mensur) still occurs with some frequency.

The first modern Olympic games featured foil and sabre fencing for men only. Epee was introduced in 1900. Single stick was featured in the 1904 games. Epee was electrified in the 1936 games, foil in 1956, and sabre in 1988. Early Olympic games featured events for Masters, and until recently fencing was the only Olympic sport that has included professionals. Disruptions in prevailing styles have accompanied the introduction of electric judging, most recently transforming sabre fencing. Foil fencing experienced similar upheavals for a decade or two following the introduction of electric judging, which was further complicated by the new, aggressive, athletic style coming out of eastern Europe at the time.

Women's foil was first contested in the 1924 Olympic games, and Women's epee was only contested for the first time in 1996, although it has been part of the World Championships since 1989. Women's sabre made its first appearance in the 1998 World Championships as a demonstration sport. More recently, women's sabre is slated to make its first appearance as an Olympic medal sport in the 2004 Athens Games.

Quoted from the Offical Fencing FAQ

Also see:

Historical Overview of Modern Fencing - Includes information on right-of-way and Olympic Rules
History of Fencing - Another good historical overview from the FAQ
Fencing FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions about Fencing

source http://www.fencing101.com/intro2.php

[ Last edited by frisky_mango at 14-3-2006 01:34 PM ]

frisky_mango

Epee overview

Epee developed from the dueling swords that developed in the court of Louis XIV of France. In Epee the weapon used is a maximum of 770grams, with a maximum length of 110cm. The valid target area is the whole body, head to toe, including arms and hands. Any hit upon the earthed piste or on the opponent抯 grounded weapon will not cause the apparatus to register. Epee evolved from the sword, favored by duelists of the time. It follows that, in modern fencing, the whole body is valid target area for epee, and that the basic rule of engagement is that the first to hit his or her opponent, has scored. Training for sword fighting (for dueling or combat purposes) concentrated on thrusts to the torso, where hits would have the most lethal effect. This training led to the development of blunt lightweight weapons, protective clothing, and limited "valid" target areas, which are now applicable to foil fencing.



How a hit is made.

The Epee circuit is normally "open" and is "closed" when the point is depressed, registering the hit. The epee point travels in and out against the pressure of the larger weightspring and carries with it a smaller contact spring. See the parts section here for details. When the contact spring touches the ends of the two blade wires it closes the circuit. The Regulations for Competitions require that the weightspring must be able to support a 750 g weight before a hit is registered and that the contact spring must not close the circuit until the last 0.5 mm of its travel. In addition, the total travel of the point must be at least 1.5 mm

1 In the normal state there is no connection through the apparatus. This state produces no light and would be the state of the circuit as the fencers come on guard.
2 When the point is depressed by any surface except the opponents guard or a connected metallic floor (piste) the circuit is made and a red or green "hit" light comes on.
3 When the point is depressed at the same time as it is in contact with the opponents guard or piste a new circuit is made. This new circuit causes no light to come on.
As well as being electrical, the system also has a mechanical component. That is, moving parts and electronics working in conjunction cause the lights to come on.

The nature of the system means that both mecanical and electrical faults can cause the system to function incorrectly.





http://www.leonpaul.com/armoury/epee.htm

[ Last edited by frisky_mango at 14-3-2006 12:54 PM ]

frisky_mango

Sabre is a both a cutting and thrusting weapon. The weapon weighs no more than 500 grams, with a maximum length of 105 cm. The valid target area is the whole body above the waistline, including arms and mask. In electric Sabre, the target area is covered by a metallic jacket, with the electrically conductive mask connected to the jacket. A hit on the valid target area causes a colored lamp to light on the registering apparatus. Sabre fencing evolved from cavalry swordsmanship where opponents were fighting on horseback. The opponent抯 body above the saddle was most vulnerable, and evolved into the 搗alid" target area.





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frisky_mango

Foil overview

Both men and women compete in foil, in separate events. The weapon used is a maximum of 500 grams, with a maximum length of 110cm. A micro-switch in the tip needs at least 500 grams of pressure to activate the registering apparatus. The valid target area is the torso only, excluding arms, legs and head. The valid target area on the fencer is covered by a metallic jacket (lame), which causes a coloured lamp to light when the target area is hit by the opponent抯 weapon. A hit on the non-valid area (not covered by the metallic jacket) causes a white lamp to light. Epee evolved from the sword, favored by duelists of the time. Training for sword fighting (for dueling or combat purposes) concentrated on thrusts to the torso, where hits would have the most lethal effect.



How a hit is made.

The Foil circuit is normally ON, however the circuits have three possible states used by the apparatus to determine the scoring.

1 In the normal state the the blue (centre pin) and green (near pin) wires in the diagram on the right are connected in a single circuit through the apparatus. This state produces no light and would be the state of the circuit as the fencers come on guard.

2 When the point is depressed by any surface except the opponents lame, guard or a connected metallic floor (piste) the circuit is broken and the "off-target" light comes on.

3 When the point is depressed at the same time as the point is in contact with the opponents lame the original circuit is broken and a new circuit is made. This circuit is between the blue part of the diagram on the right and the red part of the opponents circuit. This new circuit causes a "hit" light to come on.

As well as being electrical, the system also has a mechanical component. That is, moving parts and electronics working in conjunction cause the lights to come on.

This means that both mecanical and electrical faults can cause the system to function incorrectly.


Copywrite 2004 C Wheeler and Leon Paul


[ Last edited by frisky_mango at 14-3-2006 12:54 PM ]

frisky_mango

by Walter Flaschka

Glove

frisky_mango

frisky_mango

Two fencers dance a fierce battle on a six by forty foot strip in an exhilirating fight to accomplish the goal of touching each other with their swords. In a fencing bout (what a "game" is usually called) the main point of the fencer is to score 15 points in a direct elimination play and 5 points in preliminary pool games on their opponent before their opponent touches them 15 or 5 times. Each time the fencist touches their opponent, they recieve a point. Direct elimination bouts are composed of three three minute periods.
(source US Fencing Assoc.)

frisky_mango

The object of the game is to score touches on your opponent. They are scored only when they land on the target, which is the opponent's torso. Off-target touches stop the bout but are not scored. Usually the first to score five touches, wins the bout.



Due to the speed of fencing, touches are registered electronically. When a valid touch is scored, on comes a colored light on the side of the fencer who made the touch. When a touch is registered off-target, a white light is shown on the side of the fencer who scored that touch.



The game is played by a system of priority. To score, you must first obtain priority. The first fencer to start extending the arm straight, while threatening his target, has the priority. When two touches are scored at the same time, regardless of who's touched first, only the fencer with the priority scores the touch.



When you are attacked, you must defend or parry the attack. This parry gives you the priority to hit back, called the riposte. It's this priority system that gives fencing its sequences of attack and defense, with the priority changing from side to side like a rally in tennis. This physical exchange is practiced over and over again, so that the fencer is constantly aware of the changing priority, and can eventually achieve split-second control of his/her reactions.



With such a well-designed system of defense, you need more than just physical speed to score touches. By bluffing and faking, you have to somehow provoke and deceive this system of defense. You have to fake, to convince your opponent you intend to attack, and when he/she attempts to parry, you deceive to score.



Scoring touches in fencing is more than just a matter of physical speed, its a matter of tactics. Tactics are based on the fact that every attack can be parried, but every parry can be deceived! Fencing is a sport that not only physically taxes the body for split-second control of attack and defense, but also incorporates tactical cunning, to fake and mislead, in an attempt to outsmart your opponent. Tactics are as simple or as complex as each opponent, and those tactics can change in the course of a bout. It's this uncertainty that creates the challenge and the excitement of this combative, modern Olympic sport.

Fencing, a match of mind and body.

It's a game !

It's a sport !

It's a challenge !

source : http://www.fencingonline.com/academy/intro.htm

kinokuniya

wah....cayalah fris...
tak sangka aku...
isk...bahaya nih kalo aku jumpa ko nanti...
tak pepasal kene cocot ngan pedang kat montot

HangPC2

masih ader orang training Fencing selain mengunakan Pedang Foil iaitu mengunakan Pedang Rapiers



[ Last edited by  HangPC2 at 21-5-2007 11:14 AM ]

frisky_mango

Originally posted by kinokuniya at 21-3-2006 09:44 AM
wah....cayalah fris...
tak sangka aku...
isk...bahaya nih kalo aku jumpa ko nanti...
tak pepasal kene cocot ngan pedang kat montot

hep...mana adeeeee....takkan lah aku tetiba je nak cucuk montot ko...

frisky_mango

Originally posted by HangPC2 at 21-3-2006 11:21 AM
masih ader orang training Fencing selain mengunakan Pedang Foil iatu mengunakan Pedang Rapiers

tq hang...r u a fan of fencing as well? do share ur experience if u've taken up fencing before...:tq:

May I know where is the class?

HangPC2

Sweat Club tawar kelas lawan pedang RM260





ANDAI diukur menerusi sejarah, lawan pedang adalah sukan moden tertua dan mula dipertandingkan di Sukan Olimpik pertama di Athens pada 1896. Malaysia turut memiliki atlit dalam acara itu dan mereka mewakili negara ke peringkat Sukan Sea.

Sekalipun memiliki atlit dalam acara lawan pedang, namun tidak ramai yang menceburinya kerana kekurangan tempat menjalani latihan di samping ada yang beranggapan mahal.

Tanggapan bahawa sukan ini mahal tidak tepat. Hanya dengan mengeluarkan wang berjumlah RM260, peminatnya sudah mampu menguasai cara permainan ini. Jika anda mahu mempelajarinya bolehlah berkunjung ke Sweat Club di Mid Valley, Megamall.



Di Sweat Club terdapat tiga tenaga pengajar cukup berpengalaman iaitu Jereme Tan, PC Leong dan June Ren dan masing-masing mengajar acara yang berbeza.

Menurut Jereme, kebiasaannya orang ramai menganggap sukan lawan pedang adalah acara berbahaya tetapi sebenarnya ia selamat, mengajar erti kesopanan tetapi memerlukan ketangkasan.

Bagi yang ingin menyertai kelas latihan ini, struktur latihan membabitkan 10 pelajaran bagi setiap peringkat bermula dengan asas, pertengahan dan kompetitif. Peserta perlu menguasai sesuatu peringkat terlebih dulu sebelum melangkah ke peringkat sebelumnya, katanya.

Lawan pedang membabitkan tiga jenis pedang iaitu bermula dengan foil, epee dan akhir sekali Sabree. Foil difahamkan ada jenis elektrik dan tanpa elektrik.

Bagi peringkat asas, peserta akan mempelajari pengenalan kepada lawan pedang, asas pergerakan kaki dan kestabilan, asas pengetahuan lawan pedang, kecergasan dan fleksibel di sam ping kawalan serta asas serangan dan pertahanan.

Peringkat pertengahan membabitkan peraturan, teknik serangan dan kawalan, pancung dan taktik, pembelajaran individu persediaan latihan dan free sparring.

Manakala peringkat kompetitif membabitkan free sparring, latihan individu lanjutan, pengetahuan berhubung peraturan pertandingan, pertandingan dalaman dan menyertai pertandingan.

Mereka berminat boleh menghubungi Sweat Club di talian 03-22843833, Fax: 03-22843323 atau emel : sweatclubmv@sweatclub.com.my




FAKTA



PERALATAN ASAS

(Perlu dimiliki setiap pelatih) Sarung tangan (RM65) bermula pelajaran kedua Inner Plastron (RM85) bermula pelajaran keenam Mask (RM188) bermula pelajaran keenam.

PERALATAN DISEDIAKAN JURULATIH

Pedang (foil) (RM85) Jika tidak mahu berkongsi pelatih boleh membelinya. Bagi pelatih peringkat pertengahan, mereka perlu membeli jaket untuk latihan sparring. Sut lengkap membabitkan sarung tangan, pelindung badan, mask, jaket dan beberapa kelengkapan penting bernilai hampir RM600.

Syd

Lawan pedang menguji kebijaksanaan bertindakOleh: RABIATUL ADAWIYAH KOH ABDULLAH


(DARI kiri) Siti Norafidah, Tengku Ain, Nur Idayu, Clarine Chan dan Clarice Chan menunjukkan pedang masing-masing.


KETANGKASAN seseorang dalam acara lawan pedang amat dititik beratkan.

Mereka yang ingin bermain lawan pedang juga perlu bijak mengelirukan pihak lawan dengan kehebatan bermain pedang.Gabungan kekuatan fizikal dan mental ini menjadikan seseorang itu dapat menguasai perlawanan.


Secara umum, lawan pedang atau fence bermaksud latihan ketenteraan bersenjata merangkumi perbuatan memotong, menikam ataupun memukul secara langsung dengan menggunakan tangan.


Menurut jurulatih Lawan Pedang Swashbucklers, Annie Foo, menariknya lawan pedang ini ialah ia memiliki pakaian seragam yang unik dan mudah dikenali.


揚akaian lawan pedang lengkap adalah seperti jaket yang melindungi kawasan-kawasan sensitif di badan dan mempunyai ikatan di celah kaki.


揝elain itu, pemain juga menggunakan jaket separuh (plastron) yang dipakai di bawah jaket sebagai perlindungan berganda.
憭Pemain juga akan memakai seluar, sarung tangan, stokin panjang, topeng muka dan leher, pelindung dada dan kasut,拻 katanya.


Tambah Annie, secara tradisional, uniform berwarna putih digunakan bagi membantu juri melihat titik sentuhan (hitam pula adalah warna untuk juri).


Bagaimanapun, setelah wujudnya peralatan pemarkahan secara elektronik, uniform berwarna dibenarkan.


Sementara itu, pedang dilitupi jelaga atau kapur berwarna bagi membuat tanda pada baju pihak lawan.


Bercerita tentang senjata yang digunakan, Anne memberitahu dari dahulu hingga kini, lawan pedang menggunakan tiga senjata iaitu pedang foil, epee dan saber.


揕awan pedang diadakan di atas jalur atau dipanggil piste di mana kedua-dua pelawan pedang akan bersemuka antara satu sama lain.


揧ang menarik tentang lawan pedang ini, sebelum memulakan perlawanan, pelawan pedang akan menghormati antara satu sama lain, pengadil dan penonton.


憭Seperti sukan-sukan lain, pemain lawan pedang juga akan melakukan senaman sebelum memulakan perlawanan untuk merenggangkan otot-otot,拻 katanya.


Apa kata wanita-wanita ini tentang lawan pedang?


Jurulatih Lawan Pedang Swashbucklers, Janice Kok, 34.


Sesiapa sahaja boleh mempelajarinya termasuk kanak-kanak yang berumur lima tahun ke atas, pekerja-pekerja korporat, pelajar sekolah dan universiti sama ada lelaki atau pun wanita seperti yang disediakan di pusat latihan kami.


Clarine Chan, 15 dan Clarice Cahn, 17.


Kami memang meminati sukan ini kerana ia merupakan aktiviti sihat. Walaupun kami belajar, ia sedikit pun tidak mengganggu waktu akademik kami kerana kami boleh melakukan sukan ini pada sebelah malam.


Siti Norafidah Mohd Ramli, 26.
Kalau boleh, saya ingin berjaya hingga berjaya menggunakan pedang saber. Pedang ini agak sukar tetapi jika saya bijak membahagikan masa antara kerja dan jadual latihan, saya yakin boleh mencapainya.


Tengku Ain Kamaldin, 31.
Usia tidak menghalang saya menyertai sukan ini. Ia hobi yang menarik dan aktiviti lasak yang sihat.


Nur Idayu Azwan, 16.

Ibu bapa saya sentiasa menyokong saya. Jadual latihan yang fleksibel, membolehkan saya mengatur masa dengan baik.
Sejarah lawan pedang moden


*Sukan lawan pedang dipercayai bermula sejak zaman Mesir purba. Gambaran awal yang diketahui mengenai lawan pedang diperoleh setelah penemuan sebuah bahan cetak dalam sebuah kuil yang dibina oleh Ramses III dekat Luxor di sekitar 1190 sebelum Masihi.


*Manakala kejuaraan profesional diadakan pada zaman pertengahan Eropah
.
*Rekod terawal teknik lawan pedang dari barat dicatatkan dalam sebuah manuskrip yang dikenali sebagai MS. *33.


*Ia dipercayai dicipta di selatan Jerman pada 1300 masihi.


*Ketika zaman pertengahan, jurulatih terus mengajar sistem menggunakan pedang (bersama senjata lain dan bergelut) kepada semua golongan tanpa mengira darjat bangsawan mahupun rakyat biasa.


*Pemakaian senjata pedang bersama pakaian rakyat (kostum yang bermula akhir abad ke-15 di Sepanyol) secara beransur-ansur membangkitkan satu sistem umum lawan pedang.


*Meskipun pedang tidak lagi digunakan sebagai pakaian seharian selepas Revolusi Perancis, mereka tetap menggunakannya dalam peperangan dan menyelesaikan pertelingkahan secara terhormat pada kurun ke-19 dan ke-20.


*Secara antagonistik, pertandingan lawan pedang adalah kuno sebagaimana seni itu sendiri. Sukan lawan pedang moden bermula pada sukan Olimpik pertama pada tahun 1896.


*Situasi ini berakhir pada tahun 1913 dengan penubuhan Feration Internationale d'Escrime (FIE) di Paris. Tujuan penubuhan FIE adalah untuk mengkodkan dan menyelaraskan undang-undang sukan lawan pedang khusus untuk pertandingan bertaraf antarabangsa. Penubuhan FIE adalah titik tolak yang membezakan lawan pedang klasik dan moden.


- Alamat: Swashbuklers Fencing,
P.O Box 8062, Kelana Jaya, 46781 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
Telefon: 016-682 0870
E-mel: mail@fencing4all.com

Syd

Sweat Club tawar kelas lawan pedang RM260



ANDAI diukur menerusi sejarah, lawan pedang adalah sukan moden tertua dan mula dipertandingkan di Sukan Olimpik pertama di Athens pada 1896. Malaysia turut memiliki atlit dalam acara itu dan mereka mewakili negara ke peringkat Sukan Sea.

Sekalipun memiliki atlit dalam acara lawan pedang, namun tidak ramai yang menceburinya kerana kekurangan tempat menjalani latihan di samping ada yang beranggapan mahal.

Tanggapan bahawa sukan ini mahal tidak tepat. Hanya dengan mengeluarkan wang berjumlah RM260, peminatnya sudah mampu menguasai cara permainan ini. Jika anda mahu mempelajarinya bolehlah berkunjung ke Sweat Club di Mid Valley, Megamall.

Di Sweat Club terdapat tiga tenaga pengajar cukup berpengalaman iaitu Jereme Tan, PC Leong dan June Ren dan masing-masing mengajar acara yang berbeza.

Menurut Jereme, kebiasaannya orang ramai menganggap sukan lawan pedang adalah acara berbahaya tetapi sebenarnya ia selamat, mengajar erti kesopanan tetapi memerlukan ketangkasan.

揃agi yang ingin menyertai kelas latihan ini, struktur latihan membabitkan 10 pelajaran bagi setiap peringkat bermula dengan asas, pertengahan dan kompetitif. Peserta perlu menguasai sesuatu peringkat terlebih dulu sebelum melangkah ke peringkat sebelumnya,

dexa

Maisarah pendam rasa
Oleh BAZLY AZMI

KECEDERAAN lutut yang dialami sejak tahun lalu memaksa ratu lawan pedang negara, Maisarah Saedon melupakan hasrat beraksi pada Kejohanan Terbuka Selangor bermula 2 hingga 6 Jun ini.

Sejak bergelut dengan kecederaan itu, gadis berzodiak Gemini ini hanya merencanakan rutin harian di Bukit Jalil dengan latihan ringan kerana tidak berani mengambil risiko yang boleh merencatkan proses pemulihannya.

Pemedang kelahiran Kepong itu berkata, dia tidak pernah menyesal memilih sukan yang rata-ratanya dikuasai kaum lelaki itu kerana yakin jalan yang dipilihnya itu tepat sekalipun kini ia sudah mendatangkan impak negatif terhadap tubuhnya.

揝aya bersyukur kerana memilih bidang ini. Jika dibandingkan remaja seusia saya, ramai yang masih mencari haluan hidup tapi saya sudah beraksi dalam pelbagai kejohanan dunia.

揅uma saya kini agak sedih apabila hanya mampu menonton persiapan rakan seperjuangan yang sibuk jalani latihan intensif untuk ke Terbuka Selangor.

揔ecederaan ini perlu juga dijaga bagi membolehkan saya bersedia mental-fizikal untuk ke kejohanan lain,

dexa

The point is anyone can take up fencing
By K.W. MAK




FENCING has always held the interest of Annie Foo and her friend Janice Kok and that has led them to a successful career in the sport, having a combined experience of more than 30 years.  

Their passion for the sport has led to the setting up of the Swashbucklers Fencing Club which aims to promote fencing at all levels; regardless of age and social status.

揗aking the sport accessible was the goal of the club, but people still have this perception that fencing is an expensive sport and meant for the elite only,