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Author: BeanDiesel       Show all posts   Read mode

Post time 19-5-2006 01:03 PM | Show all posts

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Originally posted by Laxamana. at 8-5-2006 07:57 AM

Siapa kurang ajar? Saya ingin berkongsi cerita in dengan anda semua mengenai sikap segelintir orang Melayu kita atau lebih tepat lagi orang Islam di Malaysia... termasuk kisah 'ungrateful immigrant ...


do u have the actual source of this information? is it an official report (not based on 'org yg crita/dapat dr email')? where's the origin ur info?

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 8-5-2006 06:41 PM

i have a question. what is the source of this report?
Originally posted by DivinePonytail at 14-5-2006 03:45 PM

Excuse me, can anyone verify this story? I mean you guys arguing with each other without knowing whether this story is actually true or only "khabar angin".


Laxamana., i'm not the 1st forumers to ask 4 the source of ur info.

if there's no proof (reliable source) of ur opening posting, legally speaking, i am assuming u are inciting religious & racial issue.

[Akta Hasutan 1948 Sedition Act 1948]
[Seksyen 211, Akta Komunikasi dan Multimedia] ~ Pls Click 4 more info ~

Originally posted by Laxamana. at 13-5-2006 07:52 AM

Today is 13 Mei 2006... some 37 years ago, 13 Mei 1969 many Chinese paid the consequences for provoking the Malays after DAP won most of the election seats in Kuala Lumpur. It started off after DAP paraded their victory on the street on 12th May and kills manay Malays in Rex Theatre later that night. Hindus were 'lalang', they side whoever is the majority.. in Chinese area they supports Chinese, in Malay area, Hindus side the Malays. The rest was history... dare to pull that again?


Originally posted by Laxamana. at 13-5-2006 08:10 AM

TAKING LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS

Well, sometimes you have to think a bit further lah regarding TAKING LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS. Not everything regarding Islamic law, Muslim human rights etc is being decided by Mahkamah Syariah or our Civil Court. Muslims that are so lame or trying to be too polite can be taken as an advantage to ridicule Islam. Imagine what will Saiyidina Omar do if Islam is being cursed the way that Chinese guy did? You think that he will run towards our Prophet, in tears or with sad face and tells what happen... come on... don't be ridiculous l... even our Prophet carry sword to war in defence of Islam, there are times that we have  to show our anger, maruah bukan taruhan... sabar ada hadnya... sekadar bagi penumbuk tu wajar sangatlah... itu belum sampai disembelih atau dibunuh, don't be surprised, religious conflict can easily sparked towards that. So don't start. If I were that Malay guy, I'll teach him a lesson or two as well.

[ Last edited by  Laxamana. at 13-5-2006 08:16 AM ]

here clearly shown that u understand the consequence of religious conflict. by spreading false rumour, u r threading a thin line here....
[quote]Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 13-5-2006 01:56 PM

You know what Marina Yusof have said that cause so much anger from the umno people? She told the tuth.. "I want to tell the Malays, Chinese and Indians, the cause of May 13 was started by UMNO and Selangor led by Dato
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 Author| Post time 19-5-2006 03:23 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Acong at 5/18/06 09:02 PM
pls lock threads posted which information without reliable source that's possible to cause unrest among forumers.


~ Pls Click 4 more info ~



i'll not hesitate to notify the relevance au ...


very good quote on the law. as we (should) know, no post that's against the Law of Malaysia is allowed. Thus DVP action to close the thread is just.
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 Author| Post time 19-5-2006 03:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by greekgod at 5/18/06 07:17 AM
rules are guide, not inforcement. but when it comes to be enforcement, it will dictates, it will change ultimatum the way the debate goes. it will be more like a box, a square box.

if you put too many limitations and too many boundaries, believe me sooner or later, people will start leaving RSF, and if you imply these VERY strict rules to National Geographic, they will never release GoJ documentary, and if imposed onto Dan Brown, there will be no Angels & Demons, not even the best seller of DVC.



Greetings greekgod,

If you notice, our rules do not suppress the right of members to start a debate on religious issue, which is what this board is all about. One can discuss GoJ, the validity of Koran or the Bible or any religious book, or question the history of any religous figure. It is highly recommended that such discussions are started in scholarly fashion, but failure to do so does not necessarily bring penalty to the starter of the debate.

What we ban are, the 6 types of posts listed in Rule #1 (which is also the rule of Cari Forum) and personal attack against any member of RSF. And both of those rules do not restrict members from discussing religion at all. Our general guidelines also states our expectation in members' behavior. Again, no restriction on religous discussion.

All in all, I don't believe that anything from our guidelines or rules restrict anybody from discussing religion. We just expect proper behavior in discussing anything including sensitive issues.

why? because some books might contains outlawed words in this thread, for example,
1. sex in bible, hindu books
2. barbaric actions in bible
3. "wrongdoers" in quran


I don't see any banned words in your example. Perhaps you can clarify which part of those can be considered as a violation of our guidelines and rules.

Thank you for your comments. We value your input.


[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 19-5-2006 12:05 AM ]
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Post time 20-5-2006 12:44 PM | Show all posts

Reply #26 Acong's post

According to other forumners - the article was forwarded thru' e-mail. In fact, I saw the thread first in the CI Board & was deleted by the moderator. So if we feel it's not rite, then we shd forwarded the article to the authority for further investigation. There's no point grumbling here. After all, the internet is "a dunia tanpa sempadan". Racial/religious conflicts/clashes shd be discussed openly. If we insist to hide it in the closet, one day it'll explode. By then, it'll be too late. Find the solutions now before it's too late.

The forum is a way to speak our minds & dissatisfaction on sensitive issues. It doesn't mean we're going to create more harm that could lead to racial/religious conflicts.
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Post time 20-5-2006 01:01 PM | Show all posts
:nerd: aku membebel kat sini? apo2 je laa........ acong tak kisah......... :lol
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Post time 20-5-2006 01:11 PM | Show all posts

Reply #30 Acong's post

Acong, racism tu tetap exist di mana2 saja. Ttp perasaan tu dpt dikawal. Korang kena belajar dr The Govt of Sarawak to tackle the problems. Kalau di Swak, org Melayu, Cina, Iban, Bidayuh, Org Ulu & suku kaum lain tetap proud to be Sarawakians walau di mana saja mrk berada. Mrk tetap proud to say they're Sarawakians. Boleh duduk minum semeja, boleh jadi best friends. So kenapa korang kat sana tak boleh jadi mcm org Swak?

Dahlah kami org2 Swak selama ini dianggap 2nd class citizens. Asal sebut dr. Swak, korang mcm benci sgt dgn Sarawakians sebab tak layak utk sama berdiri dgn korang. Ini dpt dilihat ketika Mr Idris Jala diberi kepercayaan utk tackle financial position MAS. Sampai org2 UMNO menyarankan agar big bosses dr. PETRONAS utk memulihkan MAS walhal yg lingkupkan MAS tu org2 UMNO jugak.

So jgn malu, belajarlah dr. Swak tentang menghormati msykt berbilang bangsa & agama. Kat sini, bila hendak hire pekerja, majikan tengok pada kelayakan & capabilities seseorg & bukan pada bangsa & agama mrk.

Mods, sorry ff: kejap.
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Post time 20-5-2006 01:17 PM | Show all posts
aku tak tau apo masalah diorg............ Bangang kot?


malam tadi aku baru kuar dgn member2 aku dari sabah & sarawak, semenanjung... takde masalah pung...... hepi kitorg borak sambil crita kisah masa blajar... india ader, singh ader, malay ader, kadazan ader & cina pung ader......... :nerd:

p/s - rindu benar ngan diorg nie........ :lol
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Post time 20-5-2006 01:34 PM | Show all posts

Reply #32 Acong's post

Racial/religious conflicts in Msia shd not be kept in the closet. Just discuss it openly. We'll find the solution somehow. Don't wait until everything explodes. It could destroy a nation. So take it seriously & find solutions before it's too late.
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 Author| Post time 20-5-2006 04:35 PM | Show all posts


Guys, just a reminder, our Rule 2 is already fully effective. So, expect real warning (I hate to do it though) if a violation occurs.

Thank you.
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Post time 22-5-2006 02:17 PM | Show all posts
I been given  warning for calling other member kiddo but when muslims members label me "Thamby" similar to kiddo he kept silent without warning them. How could other member label me 'Thamby" when i carried Truth.8??

I guess Muslims backing Muslims here.

This totally unfair, unjust and double standar.

I creating this topic to defend my right and will compiling the unfairness done by the muslim moderator here. sooner i will lodge a compliant to admin.


this my proof:


Originally posted by karengkang at 22-5-2006 02:31 AM


Thamby..daripada bercakap dan membuat andaian sendiri..
apa kata ko bagek bukti ? :cak:

orang Malaysia (especially Melayu) memang aku tak nafikan cukup suka dengan benda2 camtu..
apatah  ...


Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 22-5-2006 01:57 PM



I suggest you to aviod that word. In that context it's degrading if he/she is not actually a kid.
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Post time 22-5-2006 02:18 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 22-5-2006 02:04 PM

You know, I honestly don't really know what Thamby really means. I thought it means like "man", or "dude" or something like that. But since it's offensive, yes I shall advise him against that.

But this is what we expect from you. If what he said was wrong, report it to us. Do not wait until we advise you of a violation of our own. And you can't justify your violation with other people violation.

So, my advise to you regarding calling anti_aktivis stands. And I shall now advise kerengkang too.
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are u saying member can call other different name here? I am know as Truth.8....so advise members to address me in such name not name calling like thamy, apek or whatever!!!

would u like to be called  'hey dick" or different frm other name???

u should be more professional handling this forum if not LEAVE  :agr:
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 Author| Post time 22-5-2006 02:20 PM | Show all posts


I'm at work and about to finish my shift. So I'll be back to you in an hour or so.

Thank you for your patience.

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 Author| Post time 22-5-2006 03:47 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 5/21/06 10:17 PM
I been given  warning for calling other member kiddo but when muslims members label me "Thamby" similar to kiddo he kept silent without warning them. How could other member label me 'Thamby" when i carried Truth.8??



As I have told you I wasn't too sure the meaning of that word, whether or not it was offensive. And since you've pointed it out, I took the action against it. I advised kerengkang against that right after that, before you started the thread criticizing me, because I thought it was the right thing to do.

Why did you have to wait until I advise you of the rules to report to me of the violation? Didn't I tell you many times to click the report button the moment you encounter a violation?


I guess Muslims backing Muslims here.

This totally unfair, unjust and double standar.


You think I really care what your or other people's religion is? Have I not issued any warning/advise to muslims members as well? Ask them. I dont think I have to state each one of them here.

You know, you might want to pay attention to my warning/advise for other people too. It seems like you only see my advise/warning issued agaist you.

sooner i will lodge a compliant to admin.


I've been waiting for you to do that. Go ahead. I can't wait to defend myself.

Oh yeah, we also have another moderator here. Report me to him too.

And DVP, tell me if I've been practicing double standard here. It's fine, I just want an honest opinion.
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 Author| Post time 22-5-2006 03:52 PM | Show all posts
[quote]Originally posted by Truth.8 at 5/21/06 10:18 PM


are u saying member can call other different name here? I am know as Truth.8....so advise members to address me in such name not name calling like thamy, apek or whatever!!!

No. But sometimes, people allow to be called 'bro', 'dude' or something like that. And I thought thamby is something like that too. Apparently it's not, and you're offended. So, regardless how ok it may seem, if necessary, I'll take action. And I just warned kerengkeng of that.

So, the safest way is to address somebody by his/her Cari Forum nickname. Do not even shortened someone's nickname since the person may not like it. For example, I saw once that BaiduriOthman didn't like to be called Bai. Therefore that's not allowed too.
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Post time 22-5-2006 08:06 PM | Show all posts
Religion is a very personal and sensitive topic.What I mean is one should give opinions pertaining to  his/her religion only and try to avoide comparing or giving judgements on others' religions.
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Post time 22-5-2006 09:11 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Ahihuh at 22-5-2006 08:06 PM
Religion is a very personal and sensitive topic.What I mean is one should give opinions pertaining to  his/her religion only and try to avoide comparing or giving judgements on others' religions.

BD has been very fair. he has even asked me to state some of my reasons and others. i may not have responded as i am a student do not have as much time as the rest of you.

but truth.8., your name is not easy to type so some may put as t8 or sometime try to jostle your hair by calling you kiddo or thamby. its only a nick for god sake. thamby means kid brother. i have been called worst - pig, dumb. dumbass, monkey etc. but i couldnt careless. you see, if one keep on calling people names, post wrong verses, try to debate with no facts gradually, he/she would lose credibility.

in this kind of forum where nobody can see your handsome face, the only face that we have is our credibility. i would want my posting to be read twice. i would want my posting to stand and be counted. and sometime i do want to make others angry (but wittily) rather than calling people stupid etc..

even debating with your friends they will call you things like apek or such.. that's the flavor of debates. just dont go to the level of calling people animals or degrading them.
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Post time 22-5-2006 10:42 PM | Show all posts

Dear Truth.8,

If you feel victimized or been treated unfairly by us, please by all means report to the admins. You have the right to do so. THREATS wont get you ANYTHING here.

Please bear in mind that you're not the only one participating in this forum, and this forum doesn't evolve around you. We have to take into consideration of all rsf forum members and we try treating all the members equal and fair.

I just dont get it when you saying you're the only one been treated unfairly although all this while BeanDiesel and I have given warning/advice to the guys here that breached the rules or guidelines.

So a simple solution, next time please report to us (pm) any personal attack made against you or any forum member here immediately incase we missed them.

Are you cool with that Truth.8?
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Post time 22-5-2006 10:49 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Ahihuh at 22-5-2006 08:06 PM
Religion is a very personal and sensitive topic.What I mean is one should give opinions pertaining to  his/her religion only and try to avoide comparing or giving judgements on others' religions.



Well, Religion when discussed/debated properly is healthy.
Unfortunately, we rarely see that happening here.
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Originally posted by Ahihuh at 5/22/06 04:06 AM
Religion is a very personal and sensitive topic.What I mean is one should give opinions pertaining to  his/her religion only and try to avoide comparing or giving judgements on others' religions.



Yes, religion is very personal to many people. And I believe it's pretty personal to every member of this board, which is not a bad thing.

And as DVP says we believe that discussing religions and also comparing them can be very healthy, but it comes with the price. It takes a lot of rationality and composure. So what we're trying to do is to promote healthy discussion ethics. Even with good ethics, religion is still a pretty sensitive topic. Without that (good ethics), it will be much worse, and people will end up satisfying anger and hate rather than exchanging ideas.

So once in a while we may have to advise people to practice good manner in debating. I personally hate to do that, but I see the need.
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 Author| Post time 23-5-2006 05:26 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by bob at 5/22/06 05:11 AM

BD has been very fair. he has even asked me to state some of my reasons and others. i may not have responded as i am a student do not have as much time as the rest of you.

but truth.8., your n ...



I'm glad you don't take my advice personally. Seriously, one can say anything, even though if I personally disagree with the idea (and if I have my own idea to counter it, I'd say it as a regular participant of the discussion). Sometimes, even if the basic idea sounds fine to me, the method of delivering it may not be appropriate for this board. That's when I will carry out my moderator's duty. But I'm sure you understand that I don't hate your guts.

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Post time 23-5-2006 11:36 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by DivinePonytail at 22-5-2006 10:49 PM



Well, Religion when discussed/debated properly is healthy.
Unfortunately, we rarely see that happening here.


I would like to see moderators being fair as to ensure that the forum will flow freely but unfortunately i don't see it happening here.What happens to all your words and promises before being elected?

I just like to point out what Truth8 has just raised eventhough i may not agree with most of his thread but i guess you guys should consider it and being fair to him.If he feels that he's being victimised or unfairly treated,so please do him a favour by removing or deleted those abusive or offensive remarks made by any forummers and that the same goes to any other thread which deemed abusive or offensive or out of topic,you guys please delete it.My purpose here is to foster debate, no matter how heated it may become - provided we don't resort to petty name-calling and personal insults of course.I leave that to you guys for the conclusion and lets hope you guys could  do something for the sake of a quality debate.Thank you

Peace be unto you :hatdown:

Wira_melayu
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Post time 24-5-2006 12:59 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 23-5-2006 11:36 PM


I would like to see moderators being fair as to ensure that the forum will flow freely but unfortunately i don't see it happening here.What happens to all your words and promises before being e ...



Please read RSF rules regarding only certain post/thread that will be deleted.

Thank you.
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 Author| Post time 24-5-2006 09:02 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 5/23/06 07:36 AM

I would like to see moderators being fair as to ensure that the forum will flow freely but unfortunately i don't see it happening here.What happens to all your words and promises before being elected?



Hello wira_melayu,

if you ask me, my promise before being elected is that I would try my best to achieve and maintain harmony in this board. I would also allow rather free discussions to go on here. I used 'rather' since I didn't intend to allow total freedom here. For example, I don't mind if people discuss a sensitive issue, but I do mind if people do it insensitively, like insulting each other when making a point.


I just like to point out what Truth8 has just raised eventhough i may not agree with most of his thread but i guess you guys should consider it and being fair to him.If he feels that he's being victimised or unfairly treated,so please do him a favour by removing or deleted those abusive or offensive remarks made by any forummers and that the same goes to any other thread which deemed abusive or offensive or out of topic,you guys please delete it.My purpose here is to foster debate, no matter how heated it may become - provided we don't resort to petty name-calling and personal insults of course.I leave that to you guys for the conclusion and lets hope you guys could  do something for the sake of a quality debate.Thank you




To me, it seems like Truth.8 felt victimized because he/she taught I didn't warn Muslim members of policy violation. I did, but I do admit that I missed one since I mistakenly underestimated the word "thamby". As soon as I realized it, I took action to the Muslim member. But be aware that I have adviced/warned Muslim members before. I hope Truth.8 also realizes this. I take it as a misunderstanding.

As DVP said, we are not allowed by Cari Forum administration to delete posts other than the 6 types as listed in Rule 1.

Also, for now, it is a violation of our rule (which may result in CP deduction) for abusive or offensive remarks made against a member of this board. So anybody who does that may be warned. I'm sure you understand that. But discussion topics that are sensitive to some people (but not a personal attack against any specific member) is not yet made a rule. However our General Guidelines does mention graciousness, prohibition of slander unconstructive remarks and other relevant things. We will, if necessary advise an author of a thread to follow the guidelines. Also, if members believe that a thread is against our General Guidelines, we encourage reporting it to us directly.

We may (or may not) in the future come out with a clearly defined rule about abusive or out-of-topic discussion. We certainly appreciate your input nevertheless.

My purpose here is to foster debate, no matter how heated it may become - provided we don't resort to petty name-calling and personal insults of course.



That's healthy.
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Post time 25-5-2006 10:28 PM | Show all posts
what about post like this?

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... &extra=page%3D1

its obvious that this thread was made to provoke

just take a look at what they posted


at first it started like this

jesus words not implemented by church...

bishop gene robinson, otis charles, mervyn castle, feffrey john. what they have in common? they are all gay bishops who openly admits their sexual preference.

what's bibles stand on this as there are verses such as Leviticus 18:22 that call this abomination. yet there are bishops. does this infer that church are no more using bibles as the rules? is it 4th century all over again?


then no one cares, so somehow his not satisfied, so posted this

as expected....

bishop gene robinson, otis charles, mervyn castle, feffrey john. what they have in common? they are all gay bishops who openly admits their sexual preference.

what's bibles stand on this as ther ...
no takers. debmey, truth, friday, seph ???


still no one cares, then this other guy came in, and posted this

Originally posted by bob at 24-5-2006 07:15 AM



no takers. debmey, truth, friday, seph ???
moment of silence dude.


but still no one cares, then he turns the gear a bit and posted this

QUOTE:
Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 24-5-2006 11:37 AM


moment of silence dude.

christian is breeding a new generation of homosexuals..with gay fathers and bishop..i am sure church attendance will be mostly nyah and sotongs...

and the existing christians have no balls to stop em..



then only came someone to post back.

now isnt that just plain provocation.

it seems like they want to fight

isnt there some rule for something like this?

if not, should make one.

what say you mods??
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Post time 26-5-2006 01:08 AM | Show all posts

Thank you for reporting, me.
Yes, there's a guideline for this kind of posts.

Troll the Forum.
Trolling is the posting of messages intended to spark a fight or stirring up trouble or to incite disruption.

Slander Unconstructive Remarks.
Do not make any kind of this type of remarks against other religion, race or other forum member that could be detrimental to the wellbeing of the RSF board. This include calling the person's religion or holy book as fake/false/corrupted. - - - - Updated 15/5/2006.

The initial post was a question directed to christians as to why there's gay marriage allowed in churches, which we feel as a 'fair' question.

However the trailing posts after that was nothing but slanderous remarks. I wil advice them not to do so again.

Please refer back to the thread.
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... &extra=page%3D1
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