I caught Menjj and a_a lie to defend sura5:51

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:28 PM
Ok, never mind abt hatred verses by not to have the so called allies with Jews and Christisns.

Now , what concern me is why different meaning in two source.

I mean so much different that one  ...

what meaning u say difference? Both still not mentioning hatred.

Truth.8

still no reply. never mind i will come back later because muslims now going :jeling::gila::gila:

will be back later in evening.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:29 PM



maybe u can answer my above topic:pmuka:

pls no bull because we all know u no.1 bull in this cari dot com.

And dun forget my question

I dun call any statement that ask me not to make ally or be friend with any person as racist , especially if the person or group is really nasty.

But I really call a verse that ask his ppl to slaughter whole city inhabitant just because of idolataru as barbarian verse. U agree with me?

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 06:31 PM


And dun forget my question

I dun call any statement that ask me not to make ally or be friend with any person as racist , especially if the person or group is really nasty.

But I really  ...

running away frm my topic again huh. never mind i understand once u stuck u twiste with different topic.

u mind telling why different meaning frm original verses to menjj one verses???

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:32 PM



running away frm my topic again huh. never mind i understand once u stuck u twiste with different topic.

u mind telling why different meaning frm original verses to menjj one verses???

Read slowly what I have paste.

what meaning u say difference? Both still not mentioning hatred.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 06:39 PM



Read slowly what I have paste.

what meaning u say difference? Both still not mentioning hatred.

Dun forget my question below.

But I really call a verse that ask his ppl to slaughter whole city inhabitant just because of idolataru as barbarian verse. U agree with me?

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 06:40 PM


Dun forget my question below.

ok u do not understand.

let me repost again:

Ok, never mind abt hatred verses by not to have the so called allies with Jews and Christisns.

Now , what concern me is why different meaning in two source.

I mean so much different that one will conclude Koran has many version of sayings.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:43 PM



ok u do not understand.

let me repost again:

Ok, never mind abt hatred verses by not to have the so called allies with Jews and Christisns.

Now , what concern me is why different mea ...

Ok now I am glad u agree there is no hatred or racist verses exist in Quran.

Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other (2 version for one verse).

BTW Ali and Ahmad is also known as "them". Am I right?

And dun forget my question below.

But I really call a verse that ask his ppl to slaughter whole city inhabitant just because of idolataru as barbarian verse. U agree with me?

Truth.8

I hve another link supported by Islamic webpage;


5:51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.


Click here


...yet the meaning same but menjj is so much different. different version of koran verses.

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 06:50 PM



Ok now I am glad u agree there is no hatred or racist verses exist in Quran.

Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other ...

got hatred verses. pls see :pmuka:

or u want me to repost again???

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:51 PM



got hatred verses. pls see :pmuka:

or u want me to repost again???

where?

Below?

Deuteronomy, chapter 13

14: Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and,
behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought
among you;

15: Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of
the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle
thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16: And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street
thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every
whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be
built again

No thats is not hatred verses , that is barbaric verses.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 06:51 PM
I hve another link supported by Islamic webpage;


5:51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other ...

Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other (2 version for one verse).

BTW Ali and Ahmad is also can be known as "them". Am I right?

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 07:04 PM



Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other (2 version for one verse).

BTW Ali and Ahmad is also can be known as "t ...

u dump or what? did not i post one verses frm menjj and one frm islamic site?

never mind i understood  because u always behave like this after u counter attacked ur debate.


pls feel free to go what menj post 5:51 and what islamic site have on 5:51

and :

I hve another link supported by Islamic webpage;


5:51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.


Click here


...yet the meaning same but menjj is so much different. different version of koran verses.

is that sound differen version of sayings????

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 07:09 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 07:04 PM
BTW Ali and Ahmad is also can be known as "t ...

we not talking abt ali, ahmad or u.

we talking koran different meaning verses on 5:51 which posted by menjj and the ori of islamic site.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 07:10 PM



we not talking abt ali, ahmad or u.

we talking koran different meaning verses on 5:51 which posted by menjj and the ori of islamic site.

I dunno wether u r stupid or not. Can u understand what I have asking u?

Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other (2 version for one verse).

BTW Ali and Ahmad is also can be known as "them". Am I right?

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 07:07 PM



u dump or what? did not i post one verses frm menjj and one frm islamic site?

never mind i understood  because u always behave like this after u counter attacked ur debate.


pls feel f ...

Do u saying "dun become a friend" as racist?
What I know below verse is barbaric.

Deuteronomy, chapter 13

14: Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and,
behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought
among you;

15: Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of
the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle
thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16: And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street
thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every
whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be
built again

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 15-5-2006 07:23 PM



I dunno wether u r stupid or not. Can u understand what I have asking u?

Now u claimed there is many version of Quran. Mind share with us the two verse that u say contradict each other (2  ...

I do not know whether u dump, stupid or ignorance or maybe u might trying ur tactic by repeating same old stories so that i will abandon this thread. It not working.

So, pls read what it stated below:

5:51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.



can u compare the differences and tell us why those words which belonged to same verses 5:51 but it sound different ? The whole passage is different, what u call it? Corrupt? Different version of sayings? Different version of Koran ???


If menjj verses different frm what i paste than the whole book which menjj has must totally different sayings or different version.



Menjj wrote:

Originally posted by MENJ at 15-5-2006 05:29 PM

Now PLEASE tell where on earth does 5:51 say "Believers, take not the Jews and Christians...." etc.

That is the issue at hand, folks. I know that the verse Liar.8 mentioned is in the Quran but it is certainly not in 5:51, it has a different numbering. This proves that Liar.8 does not read the Quran but relies on second hand material which makes mistakes before him.
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[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 09:59 PM ]

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 15-5-2006 09:52 PM


I do not know whether u dump, stupid or ignorance or maybe u might trying ur tactic by repeating same old stories so that i will abandon this thread. It not working.

So, pls read what it sta ...

the cluster of verses in al-maidah described the frustration of moses (p) of his people. then the verses talks about god's acceptance of the 12 apostles and how their teachings gone astray. and so, god sent al-quran with laws and rules to govern civil and crime. to ensure the quran based rules are followed, god advise muslim not to have jews or christians as their LEADERS. why? it is common sense that jews and christian leaders will not implement muslim laws. this will also result those that are not true muslims among the muslims in joining the so call jewish/christian leaders in going against enforcing the islamic regulations. with this, the society would know the true munafiks.

it is a very far reaching rule - it ensures peacefulness as there will not be any riots or or mishaps. such events will lead to the degradation of the nation, including islam and other practicing religions. look at iraq since it has a non-muslim leader, palestine when jews control the palestine land, southern thai when thaksin try to impose secular law and make pattani the largest brothel state in the world. and the various problems in north african islamic countries when you have western intervention in these countries rule. even christians and jews in these countries suffers.

let's not talk just about islam - fiji has its own trouble a few years back when the minority indian tried to rule the majority fijians. south africa blacks was ruled by the minority white and look at what happend. years of cruelty.

the verse is very revealing to ensure no apartheid in terms of religion. i hope the explanation is good for you as i see you running beserk.

[ Last edited by  bob at 15-5-2006 10:28 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by bob at 15-5-2006 10:24 PM


the cluster of verses in al-maidah described the frustration of moses (p) of his people. then the verses talks about god's acceptance of the 12 apostles and how their teachings gone astray. and ...

thanks for ur lengthy explanation but my question remain unanswered. Why both verses sound different? one verses says do not make friend with Jews and Christians another says "we send the scriptures and ......

clearly it show that the verses posted by menjj so much different frm what I post. U even can browse thru any Islamic webpage it all mentioned same contents like mine.

So, u agreed that in Koran too have many version but different sayings???

Truth.8

Originally posted by Laxamana. at 15-5-2006 06:04 PM
well done Menj, seeing is believing. T.8 should put up pix of your koran,where did you buy it? let's see... So, T.8 is trying to say that Islam is racist whenever he is being racist by mentioning a ...

hve u read my topic frm begining to end.

happy reading the most hatred/or racist verses of the so called holy book.