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barney50

1. responded by bob: no religion caan prove it is right relative to the other one. what about hinduism?

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Religion as defined by the Oxford dictionary is a particular system of faith and worship of the supernatural being we all call the CREATOR or GOD. Each religion is right in its own way and have a system of approach but should not impose their belief on others against others own freewill. Hinduism believes in such a system and has given the freedon to its followers to explore and question any form of approach. The answer could only be found deep in our heart and not just follow what has been drilled into our mind. Without all these hocus pocus I can still find GOD within me and undestand my presence here and learn to live a clean life for the next course.

eastrun

Originally posted by barney50 at 28-7-2006 11:23 AM
responded by bob: no religion caan prove it is right relative to the other one. what about hinduism?

Religion as defined by the Oxford dictionary is a particular system of faith and worship of  ...

But...you are not worshipping CREATOR...You are worshipping CREATED.

barney50

1. responded by eastrun:But...you are not worshipping CREATOR...You are worshipping CREATED.

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You mean like Mohammed's creation of Allah? Do not tell me Allah is Yhaweh because Jews d not agree so it is right for me to say Allah was created by Mohammed.

eastrun

Originally posted by barney50 at 22-8-2006 07:45 PM
responded by eastrun:But...you are not worshipping CREATOR...You are worshipping CREATED.

You mean like Mohammed's creation of Allah? Do not tell me Allah is Yhaweh because Jews d not agree so  ...

Same God, but called in different names. Any prophet mentioned in the Torah and Injeel is in the Quran...meaning that, same God sent down those prophets...and those 3books..(Torah, Injeel and Quran) rejected your faith...

By the way, show me from your book said that Muhammad is the false prophet, he is not the Final Messenger, Quran has been distorted and not sent down from Allah. If you can't, please shut up, since your religion itself never made commentaries upon Islam

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barney50

1. responded by eastrun:Same God, but called in different names. Any prophet mentioned in the Torah and Injeel is in the Quran...meaning that, same God sent down those prophets...and those 3books..(Torah, Injeel and Quran) rejected your faith...
   
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3. By the way, show me from your book said that Muhammad is the false prophet, he is not the Final Messenger, Quran has been distorted and not sent down from Allah. If you can't, please shut up, since your religion itself never made commentaries upon Islam

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Hinduism is so unique that is has no cause to comdenm any religion. Hindism is the mother of all religions and has no caus to hurt any other. It's Islam that condemns other faiths. Reason is very simple coz it is like competing with the original product. Ciplak would always say it is the best where as the original need not because it is original. If you need to sell a ciplak product you have to have an aggressive campaign condemning the original and that is what Islam is doing. Giving extra perks for buyers is their modus operandi. Islamic dakwa moments  give cash  incentives and their women. So, there is nothing proud to be a Muslim. In the beginning it was war and force conversion and time went on countries became more civilized and stronger than Muslim countries it changed its tactics by giving cash insentives and other perks. See what is happening in Malaysia. PERKIM and other Islamic organizations involved in converstion have millions of ringgit to buy converts. So some poor souls needing cash or help in other fields only need to approach these groups and all will be done once you convert. So, Hinduism need not comment about a relgion that came very very late and that too it copied the Jewish faith and calimed as one. Cooooooooooool

eastrun

Originally posted by barney50 at 24-8-2006 11:41 AM
responded by eastrun:Same God, but called in different names. Any prophet mentioned in the Torah and Injeel is in the Quran...meaning that, same God sent down those prophets...and those 3books..(To ...

Your religion, your holy book never have commentaries about the religions came after it, but you, the follower, without any instruction from your God to make commentaries about the religions, yet you do it. Isn't this can be said that you are against your religion laws?.

Hindusm have no commentaries about the religions that came after it, not because it is UNIQUE like you claimed, but because the book is not COMPLETE, because God sent down new laws slowly..period by period. So, the Final Revelation (Quran) is the COMPLETE one, because after Quran, there is no scriptures sent down by God..

"To every People have We appointed rites and ceremonies which they must follow: let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord: for thou art assuredly on the Right Way." (Surah Al-Hajj 22:67)

barney50

1. responded by eastrun:Your religion, your holy book never have commentaries about the religions came after it, but you, the follower, without any instruction from your God to make commentaries about the religions, yet you do it. Isn't this can be said that you are against your religion laws?.
   
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3. Hindusm have no commentaries about the religions that came after it, not because it is UNIQUE like you claimed, but because the book is not COMPLETE, because God sent down new laws slowly..period by period. So, the Final Revelation (Quran) is the COMPLETE one, because after Quran, there is no scriptures sent down by God..

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My dear eastrun, the relgion that came after Hinduism are all off shots of Hinduism and so it does not worry as it has all that is needed for all times. Hinduism may seem like an alien religion of people on the other side of the world, but it has infiltrated yourr culture in all sorts of ways. You're probably familiar with most of the basic Hindu concepts without even realizing it. Have you seen the Star Wars movies? They are filled with Hindu ideas. Ever watch Dharma and Greg on TV? "Dharma" is an important Hindu term for moral duty. 30% of Americans believe in reincarnation, which is a Hindu concept. Transcendental Meditation is thinly disguised Hinduism. George Harrison's song "My Sweet Lord" invokes a Hindu chant. New Age philosophy is Hinduism wrapped in Western garb. Hinduism is tremendously diverse. It encompasses those who believe in one reality, Brahman, as well as those who believe in many gods

Despite the diversity within Hinduism, there are five major beliefs of this religion. The first is that ultimate reality, called Brahman, is an impersonal oneness. In The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda tells Luke that everything--the tree, the rock, etc.--is all part of "The Force." This is monism: the belief that all is one. Nothing is distinct and separate from anything else.

Another Hindu belief is that just as the air in an open jar is identical to the air around the jar, we extend from and are one with Brahman. All is one, all is god--and that means that we are god. In her book and movie "Out on a Limb," Shirley MacLaine relates a time when she stood on a beach, embracing this concept and declaring, "I am god! I am god!" It's a very Hindu concept.

Humanity's primary problem, according to Hinduism, is that we have forgotten we are divine. The consequence is that we are subject to the Law of Karma, another important Hindu belief. This is the moral equivalent to the natural law of cause and effect. You always reap what you sow. There is no grace, there is no forgiveness, there is never any escape from consequences. It's a very heavy burden to carry. Not only that, but Hinduism says that the consequences of our choices, both bad karma and good karma, follow us from lifetime to lifetime. This is another Hindu concept: samsara, the ever-revolving wheel of life, death, and rebirth, also known as reincarnation. A person's karma determines the kind of body--whether human, animal, or insect--into which he or she is incarnated in the next lifetime.

he final major Hindu concept is liberation from the wheel of birth, death, and rebirth. One can only get off the reincarnation merry-go-round by realizing that the idea of the individual self is an illusion, and only the oneness of Brahman is real. There is no heaven, though--only losing one's identity in the universal oneness.

If you cannot understand what has been illustrated than you cannot understand anything else in life but livre in ignorance all though your life.

Originally posted by eastrun at 24-8-2006 09:48 PM

Your religion, your holy book never have commentaries about the religions came after it, but you, the follower, without any instruction from your God to make commentaries about the religions, yet ...

Does Quran have commentaries of religions that come after it?

barney50

1. responded by davidchemic :Does Quran have commentaries of religions that come after it?

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No, it does not have. Do you know why? Because Mohammed made sure that there should not be any other religion or prophet after him coz if there was than his name would be forgotten forever. Selfish prophet who thought the world does not require changes. Religion must go through evolution otherwise it would be a dead religion. Jesus brought revival to Judaism but the Jews refuse to accept any changes. Like wise Mulisms do not wish to have any changes because Mohammed has warned that any changes to his religion would bring hell fire. That is why they dislike the Sufis and say they deviated from the true teachings. This Sufis have a strage way of showing their love for Allah. They would slash their tounge, beat their chest and whip their body in acstacy and go into trance calling Allah with a unique sound. So, the Sunni Muslims branded them as a deviant group.

eastrun

Originally posted by barney50 at 25-8-2006 11:23 PM
responded by davidchemic :Does Quran have commentaries of religions that come after it?

No, it does not have. Do you know why? Because Mohammed made sure that there should not be any other reli ...

That is your interpretation. Show to me, which Prophet with A SCRIPTURE  that come after Muhammad and Islam if you say that Muhammad is a selfish prophet?.

When he said that there will b no prophets come after him , it really happen, because after that no prophet wit A SCRIPTURE came after him.

To say that you are a prophet, you must have a SCRIPTURE. And what is happening now, those false prophets that came after Muhammad have no SCRIPTURES to support. Then, why you blame Muhammad and not blaming them?.

Show me... what Scripture came after Muhammad that claimed the God is One?.
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About your religion...you forgot that what you have said above, actually already answered your long post about your Hindusm. You said, every religion need changes.

Then, why you rejected those books that came after your religion that brought changes and new laws?. And you have to remember that the later books rejected poytheism. Then why don't you follow the changes?.

In this case, you are the one who is the most selfish person on earth.Not Muhammad. Because what Muhammad said happened and no other prophets came after him with a SCRIPTURE. :p.

The reason Allah sent Muhammad is to:

"We have not sent thee(Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not." (Surah Saba' 34:28)

He is the universal prophet with a SCRIPTURE that got enough laws for humankind.But, most men understand not.

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barney50

1. responded by eastrun:That is your interpretation. Show to me, which Prophet with A SCRIPTURE  that come after Muhammad and Islam if you say that Muhammad is a selfish prophet?.
   
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3. When he said that there will b no prophets come after him , it really happen, because after that no prophet wit A SCRIPTURE came after him.
   
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5. To say that you are a prophet, you must have a SCRIPTURE. And what is happening now, those false prophets that came after Muhammad have no SCRIPTURES to support. Then, why you blame Muhammad and not blaming them?.
   
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7. Show me... what Scripture came after Muhammad that claimed the God is One?

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Bahai was the relgion and the faith抯 founder was Bah釖u抣l醜, a Persian nobleman from Tehran who, in the mid-nineteenth century, left a life of princely comfort and security and, in the face of intense persecution and deprivation, brought to humanity a stirring new message of peace and unity.

Bah釖u抣l醜 claimed to be nothing less than a new and independent Messenger from God. His life, work, and influence parallel that of Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad. Bah釖韘 view Bah釖u抣l醜 as the most recent in this succession of divine Messengers. The Bahai's scripture is Kit醔-i-Aqdas. So, your claim that aftter Mohammed there was none is a lie and Islam has been lying to Muslims as Mohammed ahd lied.

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1. about your religion...you forgot that what you have said above, actually already answered your long post about your Hindusm. You said, every religion need changes.
   
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3. Then, why you rejected those books that came after your religion that brought changes and new laws?. And you have to remember that the later books rejected poytheism. Then why don't you follow the changes?.
   
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5. In this case, you are the one who is the most selfish person on earth.Not Muhammad. Because what Muhammad said happened and no other prophets came after him with a SCRIPTURE. :p.
   
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7. The reason Allah sent Muhammad is to:
   
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9. "We have not sent thee(Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not." (Surah Saba' 34:28)
   
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11. He is the universal prophet with a SCRIPTURE that got enough laws for humankind.But, most men understand not.

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We have and that is why I'm so liberal. Not like orthodox brahmins whoi stick to old laws. We have many such saints or we call them avatars[divine menifestations. Awami Adhi Shankara, Swami Ramakrishna, Swami Ramalingam and many others yet to come. We are not selfish like Muslims who refuse to accept changes in our religion. How can we accept Mohammed as a prophet of GOD?. He does not speak of love nor forgiveness but anger and war against mankind for refusing to accept him. Read the books of our saints who only speak of love for GOD and mankind. They speak no violence but only love and compassion for all living beings and creatures of the planet. No, he is not a universal prophet but only for the desert people who believe him to be a prophet. A prophet would not declare war against those who do not accept him. He declared war against the Meccans and the neighbouring copuntries and theefore he is not a prophet nor a man of GOD. He had an ambition to rule Mecca and the Arab nation and that ambition was fulfuilled through lies. And you know what the kies are and I have no respect for such people claiming to be prophets.