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apakah justifikasi utk menentang orang Nepal dr makan kucing (1st post updated)

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Post time 8-7-2006 08:44 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
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updated: 7/13/2006


aku nak tanye, apakah justification kite utk menentang orang Nepal tu dari makan kucing tu.

adakah sebab Islam tak membenarkan kite makan most haiwan carnivor cam kucing etc?
or, adakah sebab kite bela dan sayang kucing?

what is it? I'd like to know. :tq:

p/s: don't get me wrong. I love cats, have about 20 at home.

[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 13-7-2006 01:13 AM ]

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Post time 8-7-2006 07:03 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 7-7-2006 02:44 PM
aku nak tanye, apakah justification kite utk menentang orang Nepal tu dari makan kucing tu.

adakah sebab Islam tak membenarkan kite makan most haiwan carnivor cam kucing etc?
or, adakah sebab k ...



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Post time 8-7-2006 08:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #55 meowlin's post

meowlin, rasenye yg beandiesel maksudkan..kenapa kite marah org makan kucing..bukan kenapa org islam xleh makan kucing..

correct me if m wrong ya beandiesel. question dia more towards penerimaan kite terhadap sikap atau mungkin bole juga dianggap "culture" bangsa lain. mende yg norm bagi mereka tetapi terlalu asing bagi kite.

my opinion

penerimaan org bergantung pada how open minded u r. dlm pepe hal pun, when u believe in something it is hard to accept bile org lain x believe d same if u close ure mind. kalu kite xde emphaty we will not understand.

for example, org nepal tu..bg mereka all is fair game..sbb hidup mereka susah sesusah susahnye di negara sendiri. they would do anything for a meal. thats why they r here. mereka da biase dgn care hidup begitu. we see it as barbaric sbb kite x biase..pada mereka..thats all they know. they can leave their country but not their roots

another example, org2 arab yg dikatakan kedekut towards helping derma to animals n all. again, kene tgk pada history mereka balik. mind u ya..arab ni luas..yg dtg melancong ni not all from same place. ade from saudi, from uae, from lebonan etc...n culture serta living standards mereka x sama. but overall they cant grasps why we go to great lengths to help animals. i have lots of arab friends mostly dr war torn countries (not by choice) x seme kaya tgk dr mane dtg le.  some penah tgk sisters, brothers even father kene bunuh depan mate. to them human blood lagi precious. they r kasar n aggresive in all matter, they have to b to survive all this while.

dont get me wrong..m not defending these ppl or like how they r..but i do take a step back sometimes utk  rationalise to understand better...key word..EMPHATY

makes me bersyukur to b a malaysian
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 Author| Post time 9-7-2006 07:18 AM | Show all posts
[quote]Originally posted by meowlin at 7/8/06 03:03 AM



Hi Bean
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 Author| Post time 9-7-2006 07:23 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by bbpie at 7/8/06 04:21 AM
question dia more towards penerimaan kite terhadap sikap atau mungkin bole juga dianggap "culture" bangsa lain. mende yg norm bagi mereka tetapi terlalu asing bagi kite.


exactly.

but to me, they don't need to give a reason like they're too poor to eat anything else to justify eating cats. as long as they treat the animals humanely (and they're not stealing other people's cats), i think it's ok. kalau siksa dulu sebelum sembelih atau makan idup idup tak leh la.
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Post time 9-7-2006 02:15 PM | Show all posts

Reply #59 BeanDiesel's post

yup i agree. me just give d example to share jek how i cope, kalu me x reason macam tu personally..mau gile makan ati berdendam jek. not just on this issue on other daily world issue as well :bgrin:. kalu ikutkan mmg kite xde right pun nak kate we r better than anyone else in this world. mungkin kekadang kite lupe bukan seme cantik n rosey jek kat dunia ni..so kene le timbang2kan..fikir2kan.
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Post time 9-7-2006 02:34 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 7-7-2006 11:44 AM
sian bebudak tu.

tapi aku terpikir, siapa kite nak kate makan kucing tu salah? i mean, as long as dorang treat them humanely in the process, is it wrong? it may be their culture to eat cats. cam ...



salah kalau ader kemanuasiaan atau pon bagi yang ader akal....
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 Author| Post time 9-7-2006 02:45 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sazeryus at 7/8/06 10:34 PM



salah kalau ader kemanuasiaan atau pon bagi yang ader akal....


one question may arise from that. kenape makan lembu dan ayam contohnya tak salah dari segi kemanusiaan, tapi makan kucing salah? (remember, kite persoalkan kemanusiaan, bukan halal haram daging tersebut)


p/s: something to ponder: to fanatical animal rights activists, we who consume beef and chicken are inhumane.
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Post time 9-7-2006 03:00 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 9-7-2006 02:45 PM


one question may arise from that. kenape makan lembu dan ayam contohnya tak salah dari segi kemanusiaan, tapi makan kucing salah? (remember, kite persoalkan kemanusiaan, bukan halal haram dagin ...


>apo ngko cakap ni aku tak paham enggeris:nerd:

>apa yang aku cakap kalau ader akal....maksud nya camni:

>kucing tu pemakan bangkai kan ..same cam anjing...ba bi pulak suke jilat taik...huahahaha
  lembu makan rumputkan .... so korang tau tak orang yang ader akal mesti boleh pikir... bangkai tu bersih atau tak

>kalau ikut kemanusiaan aku nak tau kau tengok kucin tu rase bahgia je kan....sebab kucin ni nampak bersih, nampak lemah lembut,nampak cantik,dan tak ganas  ...cube  ngko tengok ayam atau  lembu pulak... ader ngko rase ape² tak????

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Originally posted by sazeryus at 7/8/06 11:00 PM
>apa yang aku cakap kalau ader akal....maksud nya camni:

>kucing tu pemakan bangkai kan ..same cam anjing...ba bi pulak suke jilat taik...huahahaha
  lembu makan rumputkan .... so korang tau tak orang yang ader akal mesti boleh pikir... bangkai tu bersih atau tak


aah, i see what you mean. well, mungkin kite boleh argue, dari segi kesihatan, makan benda camtu tak elok. tapi kalo dorang pilih nak makan benda tu gak, kite tak leh nak halang kan? i mean, orang makan babi selama ni, kite takde plak selamatkan babi tu, atau gelar mereka tak berhati perut kan?
so, bagi aku, ini bukan reason utk issue ni.


>kalau ikut kemanusiaan aku nak tau kau tengok kucin tu rase bahgia je kan....sebab kucin ni nampak bersih, nampak lemah lembut,nampak cantik,dan tak ganas  ...cube  ngko tengok ayam atau  lembu pulak... ader ngko rase ape² tak????


kalo nak kate bersih, lemah lembut, cantik dan tak ganas, arnab lagi mempunyai ciri-ciri camtu berbanding kucing. still, kite tak kisah kalo orang makan arnab kan? siap wat burger lagi.

tapi aku rasa ini adalah reason nya. sebab kite sayang kucing, kite rasa compelled untuk perjuangkan nasib mereka. tapi, adakah alasan ni cukup untuk justify kite menghalang dorang makan kucing?:hmm:
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Post time 9-7-2006 04:04 PM | Show all posts
p/s: something to ponder: to fanatical animal rights activists, we who consume beef and chicken are inhumane.


since u raised this issue..i did ponder on this very point a moment ago
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Post time 9-7-2006 04:53 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 9-7-2006 03:24 PM


aah, i see what you mean. well, mungkin kite boleh argue, dari segi kesihatan, makan benda camtu tak elok. tapi kalo dorang pilih nak makan benda tu gak, kite tak leh nak halang kan? i mean, or ...



tu la sebab nya kite manusia ni kena guna akal & kemanusiaan juga.....

kalau nak ikut logikal aje memang susah....arnab tu pemakan bangkai ka???
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Post time 10-7-2006 07:18 AM | Show all posts
look guys, please lets not get carried away ya. sape yg tau bb, tau how i am. xpenah bb nak atau sengaje nak timbulkan ketidaksenangan kat sini. i love cats to bits.

kite sekadar membincangkan ttg isu makan kucing ni.
pada kite repulsive sbb bla..bla..bla..
pada others yg buat x repulsive sbb bla..bla..bla..

seme pun marah dgn org yg makan kucing..bb pun marah..BDp pun marah..everyone marah. isu yg BD timbulkan ni utk kite kupas je topic tu, extension. not just makan kucing kiut, anjing kiut, arnab kiut..semenye la so that kite deal dgn perasaan marah tu. share your tots, agree to disagree kalu perlu. tapi jangan anggap ia nak bergaduh. x penah ade niat gitu pun. bile x setuju je mule nak keluar kate2 yg x bes, ngape mesti gitu.

meow, maaf ye topic awak tetibe jadi hangat plak...
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Post time 10-7-2006 10:26 AM | Show all posts
pendapat aku.. org kita marah just bcuz. makan kucing tu against nilai2 budaya kita..
sepatutnya org Nepal tu dtg negara ni.. hormati la budaya tempatan.. jgn buat benda2 yg org tempatan tak suka..
Kalo kita pegi India.. mesti diorg pun tak suka tgk kita sedap2 makan beef depan diorg..

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 Author| Post time 10-7-2006 11:09 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sazeryus at 7/9/06 12:53 AM



tu la sebab nya kite manusia ni kena guna akal & kemanusiaan juga.....

kalau nak ikut logikal aje memang susah....arnab tu pemakan bangkai ka???


so, haiwan tu mesti haram dimakan and also adorable untuk kite bantah pemakanannya, right?
point taken.
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 Author| Post time 10-7-2006 11:22 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by airspeeder at 7/9/06 06:26 PM
pendapat aku.. org kita marah just bcuz. makan kucing tu against nilai2 budaya kita..
sepatutnya org Nepal tu dtg negara ni.. hormati la budaya tempatan.. jgn buat benda2 yg org tempatan tak suka..
Kalo kita pegi India.. mesti diorg pun tak suka tgk kita sedap2 makan beef depan diorg..


yes. aku rasa, that's one of the main reasons, walaupon aku rasa kurang just.
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Post time 10-7-2006 03:17 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 10-7-2006 11:09 AM


so, haiwan tu mesti haram dimakan and also adorable untuk kite bantah pemakanannya, right?
point taken.


haiwan aper yang dimaksud kan arnab ke kucin....

aku penin nie :gila:
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Post time 10-7-2006 03:20 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 10-7-2006 11:41 AM
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well, Islam tak mengajar kite supaya paksa yang bukan Islam mengamalkan diet kite kan?



walaupon skrg tgh summer break, aku takde la free sangat. actually skr ...



tapi islam menyuruh kite menghormati budaya dan agama lain di tempat kite bermusafir...
melainkan darurat ....
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Post time 10-7-2006 04:24 PM | Show all posts
>>>Saye harap sesiapa pon tak anggap saye nak menunjuk² pandai

Saye Cuma nakkan pendapat masing² dan terpulang lah pendapat masing²

Saye tak marah sesapo pun,,sebab semua buleh bagi pendapat masing²


>>baiklah saye nak tamat kan kebuntuan ini dengan bertanye...


>persoalan nya adakah anda tidak kasihan jika dah tau kucin tu nak digoreng...

kalau anda kasihan bermakna anda seorang yang berperikemanusiaan...


>persoalan nya adakah jikalau kite mempunyai kuasa sebagai rakyat Malaysia dan

dapat mengelakan drpd kucin tu dibunuh..

adakah anda akan buat bodo....

jika anda tidak menghalang nya bermakna...

anda tidak mengunakan akal dengan sebaik baiknya:hatdown:
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 Author| Post time 10-7-2006 04:46 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sazeryus at 7/9/06 11:17 PM


haiwan aper yang dimaksud kan arnab ke kucin....

aku penin nie :gila:


no, aku cuma nak faham your definition of haiwan yang tak patut dimakan, applicable to muslims and non-muslims.
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