TAK PUASHATI NGAN LECTURER? share kt sini....

CRK

dulu mmg penah diajar ngan lecturer yg kurang pandai mengajar. tapi sy tak penah komplen atau nak kecoh2, canang lecturer tu tak pandai mengajar. itu cara dia. kita hanya student yg inginkan ilmu. ilmu bukan dtg ketika kuliah semata2, atau datang hanya dari lecturer yg pandai mengajar. jgn harap nak faham 100% ketika kuliah. lecture hanya menyampaikan, selebihnya atas usaha student sendiri utk buat rujukan tambahan dan cari sendiri, cuba fahami sendiri. jgn sampai ke tahap spoon feed semuanya nak disuap. kalau tak faham, berusahalah cari maklumat tambahan, cuba fahamkan. jgn harap faham time kuliah semata2. buat revision/baca dulu topik2 yg akan di cover dlm kuliah. kalau dtg kuliah ngan otak yg zero mmg la tak paham satu apa. dan tak baik kalau kita membanding bandingkan antara lecturer.. mmglah ada lecturer yg pandai mengajar dan ada yg kurang, semua tu atas kemampuan lecturer tu dan bdasarkan gaya penyampaian masing2. lecturer pun manusia juga, tak ada yg perfect 100%. ingat kita ni yg hanya bertaraf pelajar, jadi wajarkah kita ni nak condemn orang yg lebih berilmu dari kita???
my 2 cents

[ Last edited by  CRK at 20-11-2006 05:00 PM ]

bizzybeez6440

i was with these lecturers iscol talking about for two semester, and i faced the same problem like he did, mind u i'm not the type of student who came to class unprepared neither passive when it comes to participation.

i've read the topic before hand preparing myself for lectures, harapan menguunung boleh top up anything i had read with knowledge from her or clarify any doubt i had, guess what? i became more confused when i went for her lecture, she threw me with various kind of presumption and left us with no definite answer...!!!

true, law is all about gray area, no definite black n white,n  i appreciate her effort to make us think critically, n i was lucky coz i manged to understand the subject after consulting the other lecturer who can really teach the subject [ iscol, it's Dr. S.Z. rite?], but it's really unfair for my other colleague who couldnt really comprehend the subject at all.

posing us with all sort of presumption to make us think is not wrong, but forcing us to think without us having any basic idea of the things are is crap!!! n we couldnt really comprehend the basic thing if she keep on evading from answering our question, keeps on lecturing on something which is totally irrelevant...plus presumption is inevitable when it comes to law but when it too remote then it is crap!!

neway thats just my thought, if theres only few students facing the problem then we might be wrong but if it involve massive number of student from various batch, then there's certainly some fault from her side too right? besides, just coz they are lecturers doesnt mean they are alwys right.

just my personal opinion. i rest my case.

p/s: Iscol dia ada tak suruh korang gi dgr lecture on critical thinking in islam? boring giler, worse thn BTN, not even a bit on concept of thinking in islam!!!!

lilyzhaowei

Lecturer aku sorang ni, memang aku tak nafikan kepakaran dia dalam bidang tersebut. Tapi aku rasa kami student2 dia terabai. Tutorial takde, assignment takde, ajar punye la basic tapi soalan FINAL....:geram:   sebabnye, dia bz dgn projek2 dia

aku wat teori sendiri je jawab. hik2 lantok lahh....malas nak pikir

lilyzhaowei

Aku memang concentrate masa lecture. Tapi kalau lecture bosan tu mata aku akan tertutup sendiri (tapi muke masih menghadap lecturer dan telinga sudah sayup2). Maknanye kalau lecturer nampak aku tido, takde la dia ingat aku saje2 tido. Mesti dia ingat aku stay up malam2 ke..Pastu bile dia tanye "any question", mule la aku wat2 pikir ape nak tanye atau wat2 paham lecture dia (pelakon terbaik UM):pmuka:

Alhamdulillah paper dia senang hik2

iscol_klang

critical thinking tu takde, tapi pegi kelas motivasi utk buat mind-map dgn tuan haji mane ntah, adala...just to teach you how to do mind-mapping (helloooo....are u taking upsr now??)
takleh deny kelas tu bagus utk sape yg perlu jek, yg tak reti buat mind-mapping, charts & mcm lagi, tapi takkanla baru skang ko nak blajar buat mind-map?? yg malasnye dia suruh semua student datang, ape neraka!! yg nak datang, datangla, takyah nak paksa2...

sebenarnye aku alami masalah yg sama gak...bile pegi consult, bukan bertambah faham, tapi bertambah pening & barula aku sedar sebenarnye selama ni dia menipu student!!
ada ke masa belajar islamic legal maxims dia asik suruh refer buku said ramadhan, said ramadhan, said ramadhan, yg buku islamic equity tu...masalahnye bile aku baca takde satu pun citer pasal equity...aku tanye lecturer aku, dia sengih je, dia kata memang takde pape pun dalam buku tu...pastu tiba2 lecturer syok sendiri tu datang bilik lecturer aku, sebok lak dia nak join aku consult pasal ape...bile dia tau aku consult pasal islamic equity, dia terus kata buku said ramadhan tu sebenarnye tak qualified utk jadi silibes, jadi takyah refer....kepala hotak ko!! kalo takyah refer yg ko suruh SEMUA student refer buku tu apsal? abu lahab btol!! aku geram gile time tu...pastu bile aku tanye lecturer aku, ada je dia nak memotong cakap, lagi bertambah pening, lagi blur...pas dia blah baru aku arrange balik pemahaman aku dgn lecturer aku, baru dapat tangkap...

itu personally utk diri aku sendiri, camne dgn SEMUA student yg dia kelentong, yg tak consult lecturer, yg pening sorang2, terkontang-kanting, tak zalim ke ko buat camtu? topik yg sepatutnye sangat senang ko susah2kan dgn idea2 yg ntahapahapa...last2 student tak faham pun...

aku rasa dia jadik camtu sebab takde sape nak tegur, tu yg perasan sorang2 tu...tapi lecturer cam dr. sz & za tu, ajar faham jek, sampai terlebih2 fahamnye, takde masalah pun..yg lagi 3 orang ni aku tak tau ape masalah diorang..someday, sometime, aku taula nak buat ape...skang ni aku dah jadik research assistant 2-2 lecturer tu, taula aku nak komplen kat diorang pasal lecturer syok sendiri tu nanti..ekeke..

mardhiah12

Originally posted by bizzybeez6440 at 20-11-2006 06:43 PM
i was with these lecturers iscol talking about for two semester, and i faced the same problem like he did, mind u i'm not the type of student who came to class unprepared neither passive when it co ...

tak boleh nak kata apa ler

p/s akak tanya dgn suami akak kenal tak lecturer tu, dia kata lecturer tu tak pernah ngajo dia. kalau tak, boleh jadi interesting feedback kat sini, heheh

iscol_klang

i have nothing against 'ketinggian' ilmu lecturer2 tu...
even aku bagitau problem ni pun bukan maknanya aku tak stadi atau tak consult lecturer, i'm talking on behalf of all my friends...aku bukan yg jenis spoonfed, nasib baikla aku jenis rajin jumpe lecturer kalo tak faham, budak2 lain tu camne...bile finally kite sedar benda tu sebenarnye bukanla susah pun tapi kenape sengaja dipusing2 & dibelit2 dgn benda yg tak sepatutnye!! pastu perasan lak tu konon2 i'm the best lecturer, uwweekkkk!!
bile kite nak consult tapi dia tak bagi adakah itu hak dia? hak kita macam mane? lecture merepek2 tapi takde points adakah itu hak dia sedangkan dia ada cara yg lebih bagus utk memahamkan student? itu pun still masalah sebab pas jumpe dia personally pun student still tak faham2, ini bukan syok sendiri, this happen to almost ALL students who consult her (yg consult pun berape kerat jek)..tak ke tension kite harap nak jumpe dia harap2 bertambahla faham, tapi lagi tambah terbelit..nak promote pemikiran kritis tapi argument lemah & berubah2, camne nak ikut?

bizzybeez6440

Originally posted by iscol_klang at 20-11-2006 09:58 PM
critical thinking tu takde, tapi pegi kelas motivasi utk buat mind-map dgn tuan haji mane ntah, adala...just to teach you how to do mind-mapping (helloooo....are u taking upsr now??)
takleh deny k ...

woho... jadi RA shazu eh..? congrats!!! she's one of those lecturer yg aku memang giler2 adore, very organized and efficient!!!! biler kau masuk final year sok amik la ngan dr farah nini, walaupun org cakap dia killer but she's really good in teaching n always concern dgn student yg agak lambat ak catch up

iscol_klang

janganla tanye kak, ekeke...nanti kantoi...
sebenarnye SEMUA student akan terpaksa belajar dgn lecturer ni sama ada directly or indirectly (thru team teaching)...tu yg tambah sakit hati sebab kite takde pilihan melainkan utk konfius & tak faham sepanjang smester..suami akak batch bile ek? maybe yg lama2 tu tak kenal kot, saya assume batch 2000 ke atasla yg terpaksa mengadap lecturer ni..

tadi pegi antar research report kat lecturer, terjumpela lecturer yg eksiden ni...guess what dia kata dia dah siap tanda part dia yg berlambak2 tu, padahal lecturer2 yg konon bagus tu tak siap pun lagi...takde pun pressure2 sampai tak bagi student jumpe...

bizzybeez6440

Originally posted by mardhiah12 at 20-11-2006 09:59 PM


tak boleh nak kata apa ler

p/s akak tanya dgn suami akak kenal tak lecturer tu, dia kata lecturer tu tak pernah ngajo dia. kalau tak, boleh jadi interesting feedback kat sini, heheh

bro yus pun dah lama grad kan.. mesti time tu dia tgh further studdy takpun ajar bebudak 1st year je...
neway ur husband is a good lecturer, too bad he's only teaching for one sem but i'm glad coz i was one of his student

iscol_klang

yup...dia memang well organized, lecturers & tutorials are well conducted, tanyela sape2 pun...ada baby pun tak tinggal kat maid, sanggup bawak gi bilik & breastfeed skali..bz camne pun muka tetap tenang & tone suara lembut je, cakap sepatah2, takde kalut2, kecoh2 cam lecturer2 lain..she has a sharp & accurate understanding, takde assume tu, assume ni, last skali berterabur...hardly to findla lecturer camtu skang...

iscol_klang

Originally posted by bizzybeez6440 at 20-11-2006 10:16 PM


bro yus pun dah lama grad kan.. mesti time tu dia tgh further studdy takpun ajar bebudak 1st year je...
neway ur husband is a good lecturer, too bad he's only teaching for one sem but i'm glad ...

yusri mohamad ke ni? :nyorok:

bizzybeez6440

Originally posted by iscol_klang at 20-11-2006 10:20 PM

yusri mohamad ke ni? :nyorok:

bukanlah bro. yusof...??? tak ingat lah bin aper...sori kak eh..dah lama sgt
bro.yus ni part time lecturer ajar aku ITIL mase kat matric dulu...masa thn 2001/2002, kau kat skolah lg time tu iscol...

iscol_klang

haha form 4 :lol
ITIL aku sape ajar dulu ek...oo...ustat murshid..baik gile dia nih..

bizzybeez6440

Originally posted by iscol_klang at 20-11-2006 10:28 PM
haha form 4 :lol
ITIL aku sape ajar dulu ek...oo...ustat murshid..baik gile dia nih..

oohh bro. murshid aah dia memang baik giler aku blajar ILH dgn di dulu... very bulliable!!!:devil:
tapi aku baik tau... tak pernah buli lecturer yg baik2...:lebai:

LLM

aku pulak dulu duduk kat row belakang dalam dewan kuliah. dan terus baring kat situ. lecturer tak nampak. classmate semua tak pedulik aku kat overseas masa tu. masih lagi sekarang ni. diorang suma mat salleh tak suka
ambik hal classmate yang lain. yang 4-5 mat salleh ada bagi komen lucu sikit tapi pasal diorang member aku. yang lain pulak sure fikir, 'lantak kaulah nak, ayah/ibu tak kisah' dalam versi BI.  fikir balik, aku ada jugak rasa guilty pasal tidur dalam kelas lecturer aku . pasal dia memang susah-susah nak bagi ilmu kat aku.

mardhiah12

bizzy, dia ngajar group awak je. sebab tu he's very proud to have you all graduated. mcm akak kata lah, kalau bercerita ttg korang, i can feel his enthusiasm, sebab dia kata seronok sgt dpt mengajar korang even though tak lama. lepas ngajar korang, dia try minta permanent kat situ, first interview session mmg lepas. in fact, 4 org je yg namanya lepas untuk interview dgn rector, but sadly, one of his colleagues bagitahu, nama dia kena drop last minute...tahu kan sebab apa, kes warna IC tu bukan biru la.

sebab tu dia masuk chambering lambat, he'd high hopes to go into academician line, tapi tak dpt. skrang ni kalau tanya dia, minat lagi tak ngajar, dia kata dia aim nak jadi senior lawyer dulu. well, another 4 years to go. he started out a bit late. akak pun kerja dulu drpd dia, in fact dah dpt pemanent kat sini bila dia baru start chambering.

iscol, ustaz murshid tu pun dah lama. dulu2 husband akak selalu tanya group bizzy tu, dia ngajo cukup tak material semua and agak2 cukup tak dia ngajar mcm ustaz murshid. heheh.

iscol_klang

alah, ustat murshid tu pun ajar ala kadar je, tapi cukup2la...baik sangat, tak penah marah
wondering ape dia tengah buat skang, last skali jumpe masa 2003 dia baru start buat master kat UM, padahal grad llb/s tahun 93 ke 95...pastu dia lama sangat kat kusza, sampai kena transfer ke matrik pun still tak proceed master dia...jadik deputy head department lagi, memang dia ada komplenla tak cukup masa...

lecturer2 matrik semuanya ok belaka...bile sampai main campus ni ada lak yg ntahapahapa...ada tu yg kondem lecturer matrik, siap kata "they are teachers, not lecturers!"...berlagak gile, padahal ko tu pun master jek, grad uia gak...sama je dgn lecturer2 matrik yg lain..

iscol_klang

ada sorang lecturer aku camni...dia ajar evidence, hehe...
expert tu memang expert, master tak silap aku ada dua, seblom degree ada diploma lagi, phd lagi kat oversea...artikel dia kuar law journal sana-sini, bentang itu bentang ini..
tapi bile lecture ala kadarla, dahla dalam 10 tutorial, dia buat skali jek, test pun sampai take home test...bz sangatla tu..masa ajar criminal law, paper student dia bagi lecturer lain tanda, lecturer strictla tu, tak menggelupur budak2 dia...luckily dia punye marking bole tahanla gak

ni pun 1 problem gak di kalangan lecturer2...nak cakap ape pun tak tau, dah memang bz..

mardhiah12

iscol, yg ni suami akak pun pernah kena lecturer mcm ni. grading okay, tapi bz memanjang. publish journal sana sini, bagi talk, tapi tak ada masa utk ngajo student sendiri. tu akak gelak tu, hmph..dulu waktu akak belajar degree, tader la lecturer sampai thp busy gaban macam tu.

tapi masih kuingat dlm ingatan, seorang lecturer yg sgt hampeh - ada Phd, buat master dlm 5 fields, tapi ngajo..satu benda pun tak faham. lepas tu, bila kita org grad, ada sorang kawan jadi tutor, dipaksanya mamat tu buat research dan tulis journal tapi letak nama dia..byk cantikk!