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Two fighters of 5th generation being created in RF



18.08.2006, 15.14


POSELOK ZARYA (Moscow Region), August 18 (Itar-Tass) - Two fighters of the fifth generation - - medium and light are being created in Russia, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force General of the Army Vladimir Mikhailov told journalists on Friday.

The medium fighter of the fifth generation is being created now, the project terms are kept to the schedule, he said. ll necessary financial issues have been completely solved this year.

It the same time we are working on the creation of the light fighter of the fifth generation, Mikhailov stressed. He pointed to the fact that all works are done on the production base of the firm MiG.


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The Air Force New Quality

Source: 22.08.06, Krasnaya Zvezda, Correspondent: Aleksandr Pinchuk


Recently, a clear trend is being found in Russia air force for increasing the arrival of new equipment, and also effectively upgrading the airplane and helicopter fleet. In connection with this, it now is possible to speak with confidence about the transition of our air force to a more qualitative high level. In particular, air force commander-in-chief, General of the Army Vladimir Mikhaylov, announced this on the threshold of Russian Air Fleet Day.

According to the air force CinC, in the near future not one, as was reported earlier, but two fifth generation airplanes will appear in Russia. At the present time two new generation fighters are being created in Russia, the CinC reported.

Thus, work on the medium fifth generation fighter or future aviation complex of tactical aviation, better known as the pakistan FA, is underway according to plans.  mid-weight ((SREDNIY)) fifth generation fighter is being created and all schedules are being observed. Moreover, all necessary financial questions for this year have been resolved in full, V. Mikhaylov said.

The fifth generation fighters will be practically invisible for air defense systems in its characteristics. The airplane will have a minimal signature ((ZAMETNOST)) for air defense systems, General of the Army Mikhaylov noted. Speaking of work on the project for creation of such an airplane, Mikhaylov recalled that similar developments were started as early as the  of the last century and right now with the creation of the fifth generation airplane are considered progressive developments again of the last century.

The heavy ((sic)) and lightweight fighters will be equipped with the same avionics and distinguished, mainly, by the number of engines - one or two. The prototype of the heavy I-21 fighter may be lifted into the air in 2006  2007. They already are lowing the I-21 airframe in the wind tunnel at the present time and all characteristics have been trued up.

Let's take note, developments of a new generation of airplanes are continuing also in the U.S.A. In particular, American specialists are working on the creation of a space bomber capable of striking a target located at any point on the globe in 30 minutes. In comparison with modern heavy bombers, the new vehicle will fly 15 times faster while climbing 10 times higher at the same time. Another new airplane, which uses Stealth technology, and is able to hover in the air is the F-32B Joint Strike Fighter ((in English)), already is undergoing tests.

Meanwhile, the upgrade being carried out by the Russian air force will permit increasing effectiveness of the airplane and helicopter fleet many times. And this is while air force financing, according to the CinC, is only 15 percent of the whole Russian Federation defense ministry Settle.

Moreover, on the order of 200 multirole Yak-130 combat training airplanes will reach the air force. This airplane will replace the existing fleet of L-39 airplanes. It is possible to use the Yak-130 both as an attack airplane and as a reconnaissance aircraft. In addition, the is allowed to carry three tonnes of ammunition on its hard points. The Yak-130 may in the future replace the fleet of Su-25 airplanes in the attack aircraft regiments. Work also is on-going intensively on the creation of the MiG-AT combat training airplane.



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Post time 18-9-2006 08:19 PM | Show all posts
stride or industry players negara tak involve ngan r & d with ruskies on the above subject?
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Post time 18-9-2006 10:39 PM | Show all posts
Actually aku minat ngan Sukhoi S-54, single engine a/craft. Dgrnya Sukhoi nak bangunkan ngan India, bila projek Su-30 MKI masuk, projek tu trus dilupakan ... apatah lg India lbh rela melabur ke a/craft yg terbukti keupayaanny dari projek yg kener mula dari scrath.

Satu lg projek ialah next gen MiG, known as MiG 1.42 MFI / MiG 39. A mock-up version mmg ada, tp tatau pasal development. Dengar kabar kena ditch sebab firma Mikoyan-Gurevich tumpukan pd Mig-29 SM punya projek.

Aku raser design MiG 1.42 tuh musti akan dibeli oleh PRC & reverse-engineered by them, cam PRC beli design pesawat LAVI dari Israel & jadik J-10, atau MiG 33 LFI jadik FC-1 / JF-17.

Terer btoi PRC dlm bab copy & paste!

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Post time 19-9-2006 02:09 AM | Show all posts
I was under the impression that the PAK-FA project was in serious trouble.

Essentially, there are two problems:

1. Specification-related

The RusAF's original concept called for a fighter in the F-22 class to replace the Su-27. Sukhoi was selected. However, early on it became clear that the fighter would be greatly overweight, while the AL-41 engine simply could not provide the neccessary thrust for such an aircraft.

This caused a rethink. The RusAF said, "OK, we'll lower this and that requirement, but give us a lighter and simpler airframe". "OK", said Sukhoi, "but expect a 2-year delay to do that". The hope on Sukhoi's part is that the OAK (unified aviation company) would finally get formed, and the PAK-FA would quietly decay, which can be blamed on the reorganization.

Mikhailov (Commander of the Russian Air Force) was supposed to retire, but has managed to stick around,  and pushed for a first flight of ANYTHING to take place in 2007, to save face and buy himself some time as the AF chief. He knows that this prototype will not be viable and will remain as an experimental one-off...

2. Resource-related

Despite Pogosyan's (Sukhoi General Director) assurances, Sukhoi has shifted a critical mass of its designers to the Russian Regional Jet (RRJ). The ones that remained are busy with the SU-35 (T-10BM) project. The feel is that this is what the RusAF will end up getting as a next Gen 4+++ Su-27 replacement, not the PAK-FA.

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Post time 19-9-2006 08:37 AM | Show all posts

Reply #3 Robotech's post

MiG 1.42 mmg nampak gayanya KIV...mungkin Rusia tunggu partner? Pasal J-10 tu kalau tak salah aku PRC PIRATE design Lavi...tapi IAI taknak ambik tindakan undang-undang...sebab depa pun buat kerja camtu dengan Nesher/Dagger/Kfir
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Post time 19-9-2006 09:29 AM | Show all posts

Reply #5 alphawolf's post

bukan diaorang memang covertly cooperate dengan PRC ..tak leh terang2an fasal pakcik deme cakap base tech US mari, so dah kena hentak waktu mula2 dulu..
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Post time 19-9-2006 10:02 AM | Show all posts
Hmm probably cerita pirate tu sebab nak cover penglibatan Israel....ye la, PRC kan syurga barang pirate (selain Mesia!)
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 Author| Post time 19-9-2006 10:49 AM | Show all posts
Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA


















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Post time 19-9-2006 11:26 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by HangPC2 at 19-9-2006 10:49 AM
sayang benar tak der saper nak  teruskan projek Pak-Fa nih... sekurang-sekurang ada pilihan negara lain menghadapi F-22 dan F-35 JSF

Sukhoi T-50 Pak-Fa

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8 ...


i cant wait to c Russia Stealth figther vs F-22 & F-35

but i thk the project still will go on...

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 Author| Post time 19-9-2006 11:32 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by gancity at 19-9-2006 11:26 AM


i cant wait to c Russia Stealth figther vs F-22 & F-35

but i thk the project still will go on...


kalau projek masih  berjalan sure boleh tengok gambar spyshot atau  gambar prototypes...
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Post time 19-9-2006 12:27 PM | Show all posts
<<kalau projek masih  berjalan sure boleh tengok gambar spyshot atau  gambar prototypes... >>

Setuju. Saya telah dengar tentang PAK-FA rasa rasanya dekat 15 tahun dah. Kalaulah nak terbang dalam masa 2-3 tahun lagi, sekurang-kurangnya mesti ada prototype tak?  Tak kan design tak tetap lagi?  Gambar-gambar Jozef Gatian pun dia ambil dari satu lukisan sahaja:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread130829/pg2

Yang saya nak tahu, adakah gambar PAK-FA yang bukan sketch lukisan atau image 3D ? Kerana ini saya ragu PAK-FA wujud.
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 Author| Post time 19-9-2006 12:33 PM | Show all posts
MIG LFI 4.12



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 Author| Post time 21-9-2006 09:09 AM | Show all posts
tahun depan (2007) dengar prototypes akan keluar.... tunggu dah lihat..

Understanding IAF interest in the MiG fifth generation fighter

Posted by vkthakur on Sunday, December 18, 2005 (EST)
The inclination of the IAF and the Indian government to work with the MiG Corp for the fifth generation fighter rather than opt into the Sukhoi led T-50 program is well thought out.

The IAF's interest in working with the MiG corp for meeting its fifth generation fighter requirements came to the fore during Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee's visit to Russia in November. While speaking to the Russian press Mukherjee acknowledged that amongst subjects discussed was the MiG study work on a fifth-generation light fighter aircraft.

Russian endeavors to elicit Indian interest in its fifth generation fighter have been reported in the press for the past two years or so. The assumption was that these endeavors were focused around the Sukhoi T-50. The IAF's interest in the MiG concept came as a surprise. Indeed, Indian interest in the MiG concept has possibly rekindled the interest of the Russian air force too in the MiG design.

AW&ST has reported that while remaining publicly wedded to the Sukhoi T-50 as its next-generation fighter program, the Russian air force is reexamining its future fleet mix, and there have been discussions with MiG over the development of a light fighter. MiG has already carried out wind-tunnel tests of its latest light fighter design concepts. However, these remain classified, indicating at least some level of Russian air force interest.

Why the T-50 does not meet IAF requirements

With India already committed to the heavy Su-30MKI investing in another heavy like the Sukhoi T-50 as it's next-generation fighter program makes little sense.

Committing to heavy and expensive fighters in such large numbers will result in a reduction of the IAF fleet within a given budgetary allocation. What the Air Force needs is a judicious mix of lights and heavy with the relatively inexpensive lights deployed in large number. The sheer geographical extent of the country and its well spread out strategic interest mandate a large fighter fleet that cannot be easily spread thin.

Understanding the Emerging Threat

Pakistan is in the process of acquiring a USS Spruance-class destroyers from the US. These are the largest destroyers in the history of the U.S. Navy. They can cruise far from home for long periods of time. The ship is already equipped to launch cruise missiles. PakistaniDefence.com has reported that the Pakistani navy will reconfigure the ship's existing onboard missile systems to carry Babur cruise missiles which have a range of 500 km.

The implications for India are clear. Any strategic target within India, whether in the North or South, can now be the target of a cruise missile attack. Such an attack could legitimately target a designated defense nuclear facility like a fast breeder reactor or an advanced DRDO establishment like the ATV home base.

In the eventuality of such an attack India will get an adequate warning, perhaps from a Tu-142 long range reconnaissance aircraft or a shadowing naval ship. However, the challenge would be in neutralizing the attack. Deploying missile defenses around strategic targets could help but not assure full protection. The problem with relying on a point missile defense system is that missile can only engage the target seconds before it is hit. Missile batteries have just a few seconds in which to neutralize the threat. In addition, they can be easily overwhelmed by rapid salvo fire.

The time to take out a subsonic cruise missile like the Babur is during the half an hour or so that it will take to reach its target. Fighters equipped with AESA radars and medium range air to air missiles present the best answer. They have a larger window to engage and neutralize attacking cruise missiles. Missiles deployed around the target can then take care of any cruise missiles that slip through fighter defenses.

AESA Angle

Besides the cost of a heavy there are other possible reasons for the IAF interest in collaborating with the MiG Corp rather than joining the Sukhoi led T-50 fighter program. Traditionally, MiG variants have used radars developed by Fazatron-NIIR Corporation while Sukhoi variants have used radars developed by Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Building (NIIP). NIIP has been an evangelist for passive electronically steered array radars. Yuriy Belyy, director of (NIIP) has been quoted as saying the construction of an antenna with an active phased array (AFAR) for the fifth generation fighter using the existing technology base is pointless! More in tune with the rest of the world is Fazatron-NIIR Corporation which has consistently advocated the use of AESA and privately funded research into it. Fazatron-NIIR has also built a reputation for a modular and open architecture. Above all they are known to develop and deliver their radars on time. As and when Russia does deploy it's AESA, my bet is it will come from Fazatron-NIIR.

Conclusion

The inclination of the IAF and the Indian government to work with the MiG Corp for the fifth generation fighter rather than opt into the Sukhoi led T-50 program is well thought out. A light weight and lower cost fifth generation fighter that can be deployed in large numbers will better address the developing threat scenario than the T-50. Additionally, by championing the cause of the MiG Corp, which has so far been the underdog in the race for developing a fifth generation fighter, the IAF and DRDO have a better chance of honing the new fighter from the ground up to meet IAF specific requirements.

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Post time 21-9-2006 09:16 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by windof at 18-9-2006 08:19 PM
stride or industry players negara tak involve ngan r & d with ruskies on the above subject?


setuju..i think we should join the Russians and go all out for the 5th gen fighter project much in the same manner that many US allies does with the JSF.
when the time comes,we can replace all our current fighters(excl the Su30)with up to date 5th gen fighters..that'll be cool.
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80s MIG Prototypes & Concepts







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Reply #15 HangPC2's post

Yg ni bukan ke mcm ada dlm satu movie tu? Kawan tak ingat apa ke tajuknya tapi citer pasal pilot Amerika rampas prototype ac ni....
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Post time 21-9-2006 10:32 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by HangPC2 at 21-9-2006 06:51 PM
80s MIG Prototypes & Concepts





http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6318/269571r ...


Yes tis from a movie call FireFox....
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Post time 24-9-2006 05:25 AM | Show all posts
Indo-Russia joint stealth fighters programme flies into turbulence


Shiv AroorPosted online: Friday, August 04, 2006 at 0000 hrs Print  Email

NEW DELHI, AUGUST 3:A team from Russia, Sukhoi Design Bureau and Irkut gave a detailed classified presentation to the Defence Ministry on Thursday on its fifth generation fighter concept, but discrepancies have already begun to surface between New Delhi and Moscow over the proposed multi-billion dollar joint programme to develop and produce advanced stealth fighters for both countries in the next decade.

In essence, South Block has communicated to Moscow that the Russian fifth generation fighter programme, designated PAK-FA, is already at an advanced stage of design, which effectively negates the aspect of joint-development and has asked it to come up with a more equal proposal.

The Sukhoi-led consortium concept, based on the PAK-FA, is being pitched vigorously to India as part of a protocol signed by the two countries in 2004 to build a fifth generation fighter.

In fact, the government plans to tell Moscow in December at the sixth meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Government Commission that if billions of dollars are to flow from the Indian side for the joint project, Moscow needs a partner because its budget will not allow it to develop alone, then the IAF and HAL must be on board from scratch, so that the aircraft platform incorporates IAF operational needs as well.

The fifth generation joint project is still a futuristic one, though it was clear from Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee? comments in Parliament today, that the government is taking strong note of lessons learnt from the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme for its other proposed project, the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA).

?For expediting development work on MCA, government may consider collaboration with friendly countries,? he said. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) in Bangalore has already begun to conceptualise the MCA, possibly as India? fifth-generation platform. The only operational fifth generation fighter right now is the American F/A-22 Raptor, with the F-35 Lightening II set to make its first flight this year.

At the most basic level, the wish-list that the IAF has for a fifth generation fighter, which should ideally begin flying operationally between 2015-2020, includes comprehensive stealth, a single engine, supercruise capabilities, an active electronically scanned array (AESA) combat radar and swing-role capabilities that allow seamless switching between air-to-air and air-to-ground modes inflight. This of course is in addition to the capability to operate entirely beyond visual range (BVR) of the enemy and perform short take-offs and landings.

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Post time 25-9-2006 09:19 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by bulat at 21-9-2006 20:24
Yg ni bukan ke mcm ada dlm satu movie tu? Kawan tak ingat apa ke tajuknya tapi citer pasal pilot Amerika rampas prototype ac ni....


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