Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA

johngage

Originally posted by IceMallet at 8-5-2007 09:52 AM
Bukan ker PakFa ni dah jadik joint-venture antara Russia dan India? Seems to me they already have the necessary funding

That was the original plan. But the problem is that India has already decided that the SU-30MKI will be its heavy fighter and they are not looking for another one. They actually wanted something in the size of the JSF and I think MiG submitted a design.. Unfortunately MiG decided to design the fighter according to its specs and not that of the Indian AF. In fact many Indians were unhappy at their treatment by MiG. Refusal to tech-transfer, sub-standard spare-parts and inflated prices, very unfriendly maintenance design, for example unlike on the Mirage 2000, their Mig's did not have a modular design for their spare-parts so you could not simply pull a part out and replace it but had to overhaul the entire unit. The Indians eventually build their own spare-parts. So for this reason the Indians prefer going with Sukhoi who have a more professional attitude, and as far as I am aware the JV has been shelved. As far as I am aware other than the MiG-29K orders that is probably as far as MiG has got with regard to the Indian Air Force.

johngage

Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 5-5-2007 06:43 PM
When this Raptorsky will enter the service? By 2050?

What exactly happened to Sukhoi's original idea of developing the SU-35/SU-37 further? I thought that the original idea was to develop the SU-35/37 with new technologies and materials and to use it as test-bed for the PAK-FA. The Super-Flanker would then be sold and the money used to fund the PAK-FA project. I am frankly getting fed up of seeing nothing but hand models, sketches, and graphic designs of this aircraft since the project started in the late 1980's. Unless, they come up with a FLYING prototype, I don't think I am going to hold my breath...

johngage

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Originally Posted by sferrin  

I wouldn't be surprised if the F-35 reaches IOC before anything resembling "PAK-FA" even flies>>>

On the contrary, something very similar to the PAK-FA will fly before the end
of the decade, the problem Sukhoi is indeed facing is that what is being built
now is becoming more and more yet another demonstrator (1.44, S-37 and
now this), which in turn maybe the indication of an incremental
development strategy gone wrong.

The point of this strategy was to introduce progressively the technologies
developed for the PAK-FA into systems for Flanker derivatives (Su-35BM), in
order to make some profits that would in turn help to fund further R&D efforts
for the PAK-FA. In turn the first production PAK-FAs would be less capable
aircraft still using still interim sensor and weapon systems from the ultimate flanker variants.

What seems to be happening is that this approach maybe not so clever, and
is introducing more and more delays to the PAK-FA development.

The critical system here is the engine. What I think will happen is that a
prototype will indeed fly before the end of the decade, but powered by
AL-31 engines, which will be a good test platform for some purposes, but
could become a pointless demonstrator if the development stage of the AL-41
has no end in sight. No AL-41, no supercruise. No supercruise, no 5th
generation aircraft. This makes it pointless to start PAK-FA production
without a 5th generation engine ready. Procuring Su-35BMs is more logic
than PAK-FAs with interim systems, which would only be superior to the
Flanker in what concerns to stealth, while being almost certainly much more
expensive...

-Klingsor

Key Forum Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums 24th May 2007

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HangPC2

Early T-50/PAK FA Design





Latest T-50/PAK FA Design

yellowfin

Maybe this one...?? looks similar to F-22...


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supergripen

the current melee in Europe regarding the placement of Interceptor missiles for the US's defence shield in Poland and radars in Czech Rep will probably see Russias resolve  strenghtening with regard to the PAK-FA.this bodes well for the project and countries with interest in the PAK-FA.

the Su-27/30/34/35/37 won't stand a chance against the F-22 in BVR.. 8m^ RCS against 0.025m^RCS... damn.

hope Russia will see the PAK-FA through.

johngage

Originally posted by supergripen at 26-6-2007 08:36 AM
the current melee in Europe regarding the placement of Interceptor missiles for the US's defence shield in Poland and radars in Czech Rep will probably see Russias resolve  strenghtening with reg ...

I'm not so sure. Russia's solution to the F-22 is not the PAK-FA but the Topol-M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topol-M) ballistic missile launched against the airbase which the F-22 is flying from. The Russian Air Force needs the PAK-FA at present, like Malaysia needs an aircraft carrier. If the Russian air force cannot afford to equip its airforces with anything close to the SU-30MKI, there is very little chance that it will have the funds to purchase the much more expensive PAK-FA for a very long time to come. The real reason that they are developing the PAK-FA is to make sure that countries that cannot afford politically or economically to buy the JSF will believe that Russian technology is still relevant, and will continue to buy from them. In my opinion, these countries should not hold their breaths, as it will take the Russians a very long time to develop the PAK-FA, and it is not a high priority for them, regardless of what they may say in public. For Russia's present defence needs, their current line-up of 900+ SU-27SM and MiG-29's will be enough to stop any force of European Typhoon or Rafales. If this is not enough, there have another 1500 combat aircraft to throw at the enemy. If this is still not sufficient, there is always the Topol-M. I am not saying of course, that the Russians will not eventually develop the PAK-FA. But it will not be an F-22 copy.

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areguard

Russia still lagging behind in avionics, solid state, high powered computer aided design in aviation in comparison to the Western industrial prowess which is needed in coming up with something like F22 class project...However knowing the Russian, what they can't design they could acquire thru industrial espionage etc...

HangPC2

Sources :


Air Fleet Magazine (Issue August-Sepember 2007)

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Vymple R-73 M2


There is a more radical on R-73 revised entirely a study on the proposed missile Vempel Vymple R-73 M2, which is a candidate
Potential for arming Russian fifth generation fighter pak - fa and the design of this missile is expected to carry that position inside the plane, because the reduction of thermal his mark through providing smaller Bzaaanf also expected to be the longest of engagement and guidance system is innovative. The likely entry of this missile service in in 2010.
It seems that the R-73 M2 will be a temporary solution in the framework of the program of pak - fa Given Vymple engaged on the design of an air atmosphere is a new short-term K-30.







Sources : http://www.arab-military.com/




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edelweiss101

nice futuristic looking birds!

HangPC2

Old News


MOSCOW, December 8 - A warplane of the fifth generation will become airborne in 2007, General of the Army Vladimir Mikhailov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, has said.

"A plane of the fifth generation will fly in 2007. I earlier reported the date when the promising aircraft of front-line aviation will take aloft to the supreme commander-in-chief (president of the Russian Federation) and today I'm sure we'll do it", the general said.

He noted his recent visit to the Sukhoi company, where he looked into attendant problems. "A lot of work has been done and, one the whole, I like the results reached", Vladimir Mikhailov said.

An electronic model of the plane is ready, its aerodynamic portrait and other parameters have been fixed, he said.

"Now over 100 specialists from the Defence Ministry, military and non-military research institutes are studying intermediate results", said the air force commander.

"We ask engineers to find faults so as to rectify them at the initial stage to be able to move on fast", Mikhailov stressed.

He also spoke of yet unresolved problems, say in armaments and avionics. "We have to think how to use the import aspect of the project and should we really use it. But they are only routine things. Overall, we've made a stride even with the limited financing we have", the general said.

He said that creating a plane of the fifth generation requires endeavour and the request for proposal is not something given for granted.

"I've decided to reduce the designed speed. This will not only preserve the plane's fighting potential but also forestall design problems if the speed is to equal the rated value", he said.

He noted the important role of computer modelling in this work. "We earlier had to break planes and engines to find out the strength characteristics. On the computer screen we can simulate different conditions and the strength characteristics of every unit are clearly seen", he said. The general stressed that computer modelling enables unmistakable checking and choosing the optimal ways.

"The rule of thumb and designer intuition, as was the case before, no longer work. Creating a plane of the fifth generation requires a new approach and the use of leading-edge technologies", said the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force.

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Russia to test PAK-FA in 2007


KUBINKA, Moscow Region, June 8 (Itar-Tass) -- The development of the fifth generation fighter proceeds in strict compliance with the schedule and the plane will be flight-tested in 2007, the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, Vladimir Mikhailov has said.

About the condition of the Russian Air Force fleet of aircraft Mikhailov said, The Air Force receives planes in sufficient numbers, there are aircraft at the reserve bases, too.

He are also receiving new planes, including Su-34 and Su-27SM, and others still being tested. There is nothing we can criticize these planes for.

Russian presidential adviser Alexander Burutin told reporters that the Russian Air Force by 2012 will have up to 60 percent of new aviation technologies.

new armament program has been developed and we shall achieve this parameter by 2010-2012, he said.


Source: ITAR-TASS

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Russia to start flight tests of fifth-generation fighter in 2009





19:55          |          03/ 04/ 2008



MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to begin flight tests of a new fifth-generation fighter in 2009, the Russian industry and energy minister said on Thursday.

"The development of a fifth-generation Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter is being carried out under the Sukhoi PAK FA project," Viktor Khristenko said in a report posted on the ministry's website.

"The flight tests of the aircraft are scheduled to begin in 2009," he said.

The new fighter aircraft, which will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft-manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other countries.



Sources : http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080403/102931062.html

yaminz

Perlu byk kuar duit, at least ada USD$1 billion kalo btul2 serius nak join venture ngan Russia...