Please answer

Debmey

Pls don't bother, you won't have answers to reality anyway.
Islam is a lie that cannot be defended menj.

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 03:15 PM
You see, menj has no reply to facts that contradict the Quran.

You are long enough in this forum...been discussed thousand of times, What other facts you want to know? the miracles of raising the dead?splitting the seas and mountains? talking baby? There's no point giving the facts if you treat it like a garbage. True Christian wont ask this kind of question. Jusy google it..bersepah kat net!

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 03:31 PM
Pls don't bother, you won't have answers to reality anyway.
Islam is a lie that cannot be defended menj.

Christian is a lie indeed. No nonsese.

ekmal_sorrow

[quote]Originally posted by barney50 at 12-10-2006 12:53 PM
1.  Say, 揌e is God, the One.  God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs.  He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.

Debmey

Originally posted by loona at 12-10-2006 03:38 PM


You are long enough in this forum...been discussed thousand of times, What other facts you want to know? the miracles of raising the dead?splitting the seas and mountains? talking baby? There's ...

I never picked on all these. I picked on logic and history.

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 04:16 PM



I never picked on all these. I picked on logic and history.

It is all there...the logic and history from the beginning of Adam until the end of Muhammad, but you hesitate to believe, or treat it as a book. But throw it in garbage bin.So nothing else to offer except the magic from the sky

Debmey

The Quran clearly counters logic.
The crucifixion and death of Jesus was well recorded history from many parallel sources among comptemporaries.
Mohamad shows up a few hundreds years later in a land 1000 kn away and tells another story and expect others to beleive him? On what basis may i ask?

ussopp

poor christians...
believing in unbelievable god...trinity is a lie...
simply the worst fact of god...

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 04:33 PM
The Quran clearly counters logic.
The crucifixion and death of Jesus was well recorded history from many parallel sources among comptemporaries.
Mohamad shows up a few hundreds years later in a  ...

So...it shows Muhammad doesnt know what's going on on the other side of the land, He even few hundred years apart from the events. How he come up with the  Quran? Thru copycat? Did he possesed old scriptures?Thru his imagination?Did he know how to write? or satan whispering into him? Cant be isnt it?............so what's logical truth?

Debmey

The Quran clearly counters logic.
The crucifixion and death of Jesus was well recorded history from many parallel sources among comptemporaries.
Mohamad shows up a few hundreds years later in a land 1000 kn away and tells another story and expect others to beleive him? On what basis may i ask?

Debmey

Originally posted by loona at 12-10-2006 04:41 PMSo...it shows Muhammad doesnt know what's going on on the other side of the land, He even few hundred years apart from the events. How he come up with the  Quran? Thru copycat? Did he possesed old scriptures?Thru his imagination?Did he know how to write? or satan whispering into him? Cant be isnt it?............so what's logical truth?.

Mo told stories based on partial knowledge from interaction with Christians and Jews and on his own imagination. Thats why he gets dates and events so clearly  wrong.

ussopp

does god is bounded by distance..???

Debmey

Was Mo god? Did you see him talk to God?
why did allah get his facts wrong? Was it allah or Mo who got it wrong?

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 04:48 PM
The Quran clearly counters logic.
The crucifixion and death of Jesus was well recorded history from many parallel sources among comptemporaries.
Mohamad shows up a few hundreds years later in a  ...

Debmey...honestly speaking, if based on eyes, facts & logic alone doestnt enuff to warrant the truth. Element of faith should be there to answer certain unexplain questions. It is the work of God, and we cant answer & question all His work using our logic brain alone. God even cant be found if you using logic, sceince and facts alone. Without faith also we wil be lost in our spiritual destination

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 04:50 PM



Mo told stories based on partial knowledge from interaction with Christians and Jews and on his own imagination. Thats why he gets dates and events so clearly  wrong.

The events. the chronicles clearly correct. Please proof if it is wrong. If you try to proof certain miracles of God, of course you will fail miserably on that! And please do not counterfact with bible since the events & chronicles are questinable by others also. My advice....pray to God to give you a fact in your dream on this, since all history books are questinable

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ussopp

my point is if it God bussiness , how can space and time be the limit...

He is a prophet...

your question about 1000km away and few hundred years later should not be t count...

i also can ask how can jesus bring people to life..but I diddnt doubt that although it happen 2 millenium ago...and thousands km away...

Debmey

the question is not just distance and time, its reason and logic.
since Mo's versions has no basis and contradicts very other contemporary account, there can only be 3 possibilities :

1. Allah turn back time and changed the events w/o anyone knowing.
2. Jabril made a mistake and told Mo wrongly
3. Mo made up his own story wrongly.

So that begs the logical questions.
If its no.1, why would Allah want to do that?
If Jabril make mistake on this one, he wasn't a perfect messenger for Allah. so why wasn't his mistake corrected by Allah?
If Mo made a mistake, the entire Quran simply cannot be divine in nature. Perhaps its corrupted.

loona

Originally posted by Debmey at 12-10-2006 06:00 PM
the question is not just distance and time, its reason and logic.
since Mo's versions has no basis and contradicts very other contemporary account, there can only be 3 possibilities :

1. Allah turn back time and changed the events w/o anyone knowing.
2. Jabril made a mistake and told Mo wrongly
3. Mo made up his own story wrongly.

So that begs the logical questions.
If its no.1, why would Allah want to do that?
If Jabril make mistake on this one, he wasn't a perfect messenger for Allah. so why wasn't his mistake corrected by Allah?
If Mo made a mistake, the entire Quran simply cannot be divine in nature. Perhaps its corrupted.

I pick answer No.4 - Humans made mistake on several accounts, and Allah corrects it  in His last book through His Seal of Prophet

barney50

loona,

The perception of last book is a myth. There is no last book and religion is a contunity as long as man exist on this planet. In another 500-1000 years no one would rememeber Mohammed or even Jesus because there would come another form of religion which would be far more superior to all the religions that existed before that. 1400 years ago there was no such thing as modern living and scientific discoveries. Mohammed would not have dreamt that people of  other nations could be communicated within seconds through the discovery of telephone and internet. He would not have dreamt of seeing incidents happening in another country while sitting in the comfort of your home. All these Mohammed would not have imagined nor would his Allah. Do not stick to something that is a myth to control mankind according to the whimps and fancies of religious bigots.

loona

Originally posted by barney50 at 12-10-2006 09:03 PM
loona,

The perception of last book is a myth. There is no last book and religion is a contunity as long as man exist on this planet. In another 500-1000 years no one would rememeber Mohammed or  ...

Barney, I want to ask you a very simple question? Are you Christian? Judaism? About to be Christian? About to be Muslim?
If you answer none of the above, you have no clue on what we are talking about

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