Islam Has Expired

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-10-2006 05:48 PM
No sir. go read the link you have pasted as well as the link I pasted and compare.

Already compared.. If not why i paste the link for you ?

Mgsrulz

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
There is no confusion. It is very simple. The Father, The Son and The Holy spirit are all one and the same. The Father is the Creator. The Son is the created and The Holy Spirit is the Soul or the Atman as Hindus call it. So why must you be confused? We are not confused as we know the inner meaning of it.  

if the created was a man,there would be no confusion.
but when the created became god,it goes against everything God is.

God is not equal to anyone,cannot be created by anyone,and does not bow down to anyone else.

we know that jesus bowed down to God.
now why would God bow down to God?
theres your confusion...

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
But the Muslims are not only confused with other religojns but are confused with their own. There seem to be many who interprete the Quran and hadith according to their whimps and fancies.  

no big deal..
everyone has their own interpretation or thoughts on things..
as an example,
most people take harry potter as a kid's book.
but in comes the parents association,and they think that it promotes witch craft,and is therefore deemed unsuitable for kids.

confusion,confusion...kids book or witchcraft?

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
Simple fact is greeting a non Muslim on his festival by Muslims are considered shirik but some say it is not and they themsleve are confused which is which.

like i said above,everyone has his/her interperatation of everything..
some might be narrowminded,some might be open for reason,some might just follow what they like.

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
1. Muslms are confused when to celebrate Raya. I remember in certain states some years back they began one day eralier before the annoucement by the keeper of the royal seal. That is because the Arabs did it one day earlier than the other nations. This was a confusion for Muslims here and other countries.

then they are following the arabs,which is wrong.
if i stay in the US,and it is 12 hours behind malaysia,that does not give me the right to follow malaysia's aidilfitri,as im not there at the moment.

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
Under the most conservative interpretation, two credible witnesses with expertise in Islamic sharia law have to see the crescent moon with the naked eye before their observations can be accepted, said Sulayman Nyang, an expert on Islam at Howard University.

nothing to comment

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
2. Some Muslims say Jihad means to fight for progress of the ummah but some say fight in the cause of Allah where all infidels should be killed. Now that is another confusion.

whats so confusing about that?
if it is a time of war,jihad would be to kill whoever represents a danger to you.
if it is a normal day,jihad would be to struggle to live a peaceful life,helping others achieve the same goal.

in both instances,jihad would be to uphold one's honour/protect oneself.

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
So, it's Musims who are confused all the time. Please get to know your religion well before you pick on others.

some know,some dont,some choose to remain ignorant.
that is basically every single living human on earth,regardless of religion.

Originally posted by barney50 at 16-10-2006 12:06 PM
3. Muslims have confusion if Allah needs protection from non believers. Is Allah so weak that he needs the protection of Msulims? Confusion over confusion.

some want instant action/punishment.
some dont mind what happens to the kafir.(kill or not,not their problem)

more often than not,poor education and narrowminded thinking or lack of understanding of the Quran,leads people to do unimaginable things..

SquiZZ

we know that jesus bowed down to God.
now why would God bow down to God?
theres your confusion...

- If you take a liitle more effort to understand the trinity concept, there would not be confusion.

no big deal..
everyone has their own interpretation or thoughts on things..
like i said above,everyone has his/her interperatation of everything..
some might be narrowminded,some might be open for reason,some might just follow what they like.

- A hypocrite in action.

whats so confusing about that?
if it is a time of war,jihad would be to kill whoever represents a danger to you.

-Unfortunately, thats not the case as we see today.

some know,some dont,some choose to remain ignorant.
that is basically every single living human on earth,regardless of religion.

- On that note, on what basis do you judge christians are confused about their God?

more often than not,poor education and narrowminded thinking or lack of understanding of the Quran,leads people to do unimaginable things..

- Really, from we see today, the more educated the person about Islam, the more dangerous he/she become.

TAMAM

Hey Mr Semua tau Debmey.. you are saying that the Father, The son And the holly spirit are the same right?? it's meant that THE father=the son=the holy spirit.. but how come the father create the son (giving birth to Mary)?? kan semua tu satu..father=son=father.. so... macam mane boleh the father lahirkan son? sebab son adalah father jugak.. father lahirkan diri dia sendiri ke?? haiiii pening pening.. ting tong..

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-10-2006 10:12 AM
there is only one bible and you have many sects in islam today.
So how does Islam stand up?

Islam sect? What about christian, protestant, orthodox, catholic? sect & denomination same thing diff names...
1 Bible? Yeah u r right... 1 bible but with thousand of versions, how can protestant have 64 books and catholic have 73 books in their bible? How can KJV versions have few revisions? like school textbook la pulak, every few years there is new syllibus to add or delete is it?

1 bible? maybe from the cover only, if you look inside? Maybe you can explain this.....

    Luke 22:70 (King James Version) 1611
Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Luke 22:70 (21st Century King James Version) KJ21 1994
Then said they all, "Art thou then the Son of God?" And He said unto them, "Ye say that I am."

Luke 22:70 (English Standard Version) ESV 2001
So they all said, "Are you the Son of God, then?" And he said to them, "You say that I am."

Jesus said they (the roman) are the one that said he's son of god, what happen on other versions?

Luke 22:70 (New King James Version) 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
Then they all said, ?re You then the Son of God??
So He said to them, ?color=Red]You rightly say that I am.?

Luke 22:70 Worldwide English (New Testament)
They all said, `Then are you the Son of God?" He said, `Yes, I am.'

This is what you called 1 bible? Add 1-2 word and change the whole meaning. Study your own holy book/biblos/bible first  before pointing fingers to others.... your sincere, profesional, intelligent explanation concerning this is highly appreciated

all from biblegateway.com... i suggest you send request to the webmaster to close that website la... membuka pekung didada...  

"And say, truth has come and falsehood (polytheism) has vanished, surely falsehood is ever bound to vanish" Al-Isra 17:81

i212

Interesting.......

Mgsrulz

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 16-10-2006 10:57 PM
If you take a liitle more effort to understand the trinity concept, there would not be confusion.

again we have the same answer :lol
the trinity concept is flawed,and the Muslims arent the only ones who say so...go read up Early Christians rejected Trinity.  They also had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 16-10-2006 10:57 PM
- A hypocrite in action.

how so?

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 16-10-2006 10:57 PM
-Unfortunately, thats not the case as we see today.

yeah,many choose to do the most drastic things first,but so what?
what has that got to do with Islam itself?
theres a big big difference between blaming the FOLLOWER and the RELIGION.
a difference MANY non muslims cant differentiate.

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 16-10-2006 10:57 PM
- On that note, on what basis do you judge christians are confused about their God?

when did i say im confused about God?
God is ONE.
he has NO equal.
my undertstanding of God is clear enough.

christianity's is confusing,though..

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 16-10-2006 10:57 PM
- Really, from we see today, the more educated the person about Islam, the more dangerous he/she become.

that depends on their educational background.
some (like i've said before) prefer to learn what they want to learn.
if they love war,they will learn of the Islamic war,and how the Prophet strategically fought his wars,of the verses that show killing,etc..
if they love peace,they would learn only of the "love" aspects in Islam.
but if they love Islam,they would want to learn of everything.
how and why Jesus isnt God,how Prophet Muhammad's teaching is complete and Jesus's isnt.why God made so many diverse and different  races,etc..

if a muslim wants to know more about Islam,and not ways to counter "islamophobia",theres alot to learn..

sedondon

Kalau Jesus ada ayah, sapa pulak datuk dan nenek jesus? Sapa pula adik beradik ayah Jesus? Mana Bapak and Mak saudara Jesus? Sapa abang ipar bapak jesus? Mertuanyer sapa?
:cak:

TAMAM

ibu metuaku.. kasim selamat..

sedondon

PSIKO TU..............

Diorang orang kristian x nak terima pesanan jesus.....slps dia akan datang seoarang rasul yang membawa ajaran agama yang benar.....still nak d pertikai klu betul d orang beriman dengan nabi isa tentu diaorang faham

SquiZZ

By Mgsrulz:
again we have the same answer
the trinity concept is flawed,and the Muslims arent the only ones who say so...go read up Early Christians rejected Trinity.  They also had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified.

- Flawed in what sense? If your mind cannot comprehend something does not mean it is flawed. Your logic itself is FLAWED. And christians believe Jesus was crucified so what are you bluffing here?

how so?
- Playing dumb i see.

yeah,many choose to do the most drastic things first,but so what?
what has that got to do with Islam itself?
theres a big big difference between blaming the FOLLOWER and the RELIGION.
a difference MANY non muslims cant differentiate.

- Islam motivate them by doing such thing. They do so in the name of Allah. Can you deny that?

when did i say im confused about God?
God is ONE.
he has NO equal.
my undertstanding of God is clear enough.
christianity's is confusing,though..

- You're right. most muslim do.

SquiZZ

Originally posted by nice2000 at 20-10-2006 12:56 PM
Diorang orang kristian x nak terima pesanan jesus.....slps dia akan datang seoarang rasul yang membawa ajaran agama yang benar.....still nak d pertikai klu betul d orang beriman dengan nabi isa ten ...

Jesus dan nabi Isa tak sama. :no: So bila ko cakap kristian tak terima ajaran jesus tu tak boleh di terima.

TAMAM

Originally posted by SquiZZ at 20-10-2006 01:41 PM


Jesus dan nabi Isa tak sama. :no: So bila ko cakap kristian tak terima ajaran jesus tu tak boleh di terima.

Tau takpe.. .. Haaaaa...Ingat tu nice2000.. Nabi Isa tiada bapa. Jesus tu ade bapak..tapi bapak dia pun dia jugak.. dia dan bapak dia jugak holy spirit.. mane satu bapak mane satu anak pun aku tak tau. semua berebut nak jadi bapak nak jadi anak..

SquiZZ

By TAMAM: Tau takpe.. .. Haaaaa...Ingat tu nice2000.. Nabi Isa tiada bapa. Jesus tu ade bapak..tapi bapak dia pun dia jugak.. dia dan bapak dia jugak holy spirit.. mane satu bapak mane satu anak pun aku tak tau. semua berebut nak jadi bapak nak jadi anak..

- Tak ada masalah dengan berebut nak jadi bapak nak jadi anak. Tuhan, Jesus dan Roh Kudus co-exist, co-equal in the spirit of holiness and in perfect harmony. Ko memang pandai reka cerita, sabar ye, puasa dah nak habis. Abis puasa baru ko boleh kelentong balik.

TAMAM

Sorry.. Islam tak ajar lah kelentong tak kira puasa ke tak..... does the bible teach you that??? oohhh.. no wonder lahh...

[ Last edited by  TAMAM at 20-10-2006 03:27 PM ]

hmm bukan orang kristian yang kelentong ? satu tuhan dikata 3. nabi dikata tuhan. tuhan boleh dibunuh manusia...
kalau tuhan dah tebus dosa, makna sekarang manusia tak berdosa. tak berdosa sure masuk syurga.
jadi buat apa korang hidup kat dunia ni ?

masuklah islam nescaya kamu selamat.

SquiZZ

sentaja: hmm bukan orang kristian yang kelentong ? satu tuhan dikata 3. nabi dikata tuhan. tuhan boleh dibunuh manusia...
kalau tuhan dah tebus dosa, makna sekarang manusia tak berdosa. tak berdosa sure masuk syurga.
jadi buat apa korang hidup kat dunia ni ?
masuklah islam nescaya kamu selamat.

Halo abang, siapa kata tuhan kristian ada tiga? Ni dah kelentong tahap gaban ni atau memang tak paham tentang trinity. Masuk Islam? Tak payah nak jual pisang goreng kat sini.

TAMAM

squizz.. pisng goreng singgit.. nak sambal kicap lebih tau.. ade delivery tak??

ye adik,

co-exist and in perfect harmony. bukan itu ke yang kamu kata, ayat tu makna ada multitude.
ni kamu kata takde tiga pulak. siapa yang gaban ni ?


edit: terlupa in depan perfect lak.

[ Last edited by  sentaja at 20-10-2006 03:50 PM ]