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Genesis 2:17 : Questions for Truth.8 and Debmey

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Post time 27-11-2006 11:39 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
what is the meaning of this verse ?

Genesis 2:17
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?

i hope any of u can answer my questions :bgrin:


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Post time 27-11-2006 01:58 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 27-11-2006 11:39 AM
what is the meaning of this verse ?



1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything  ...



before i answer that, u mind answering why ur allah create homo animals and why ur  why allah create pigs knowing that it is unclean?

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Post time 27-11-2006 02:02 PM | Show all posts
as usual

what's ur name?

i like nasi lemak

who does that? of course T8..
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yawn... as always
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Originally posted by Nocturna at 27-11-2006 02:02 PM
as usual

what's ur name?

i like nasi lemak

who does that? of course T8..

ahaks.....
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Post time 27-11-2006 05:30 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Nocturna at 27-11-2006 02:02 PM
as usual

what's ur name?

i like nasi lemak

who does that? of course T8..


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 Author| Post time 27-11-2006 05:48 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 27-11-2006 01:58 PM



before i answer that, u mind answering why ur allah create homo animals and why ur  why allah create pigs knowing that it is unclean?



Muslims already gave u a lengthy explanation regarding this matter in your previous thread...
however, people like u and Debmey didn't accept that as logical explanation..
and u still want us to use Bible as a valid facts and arguments..

so now, this is your chance to prove your faith in the Bible...
this is the moment of truth...
come on, be a good believer...
and back up your Bible :bgrin:



originally posted by Karengkang

1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?




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Post time 27-11-2006 08:11 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 27-11-2006 05:48 PM
Muslims already gave u a lengthy explanation regarding this matter in your previous thread...
however, people like u and Debmey didn't accept that as logical explanation..
and u still want us to use Bible as a valid facts and arguments..

so now, this is your chance to prove your faith in the Bible...
this is the moment of truth...
come on, be a good believer...
and back up your Bible
...


sure i will reply but can u explain this:

why ur so called allah the god create pigs knowing pigs is dirty?

regarding the homo animals, i take it that muslims failed with nonsens view and end my pervious topis as follows:

what ur name?

i like rice  with crabs cili, seashell , siput sedut and etc.
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Post time 27-11-2006 08:37 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 27-11-2006 01:58 PM
before i answer that, u mind answering why ur allah create homo animals and why ur  why allah create pigs knowing that it is unclean?


Maybe you should ask that to the Jews as well, because coincidently, they believe in the same Old Testament as you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unclean_animals

- MENJ
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Post time 27-11-2006 09:31 PM | Show all posts
pity truth. he is stuck as always. God had forsaken him again.
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 Author| Post time 27-11-2006 09:51 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 27-11-2006 08:11 PM


sure i will reply but can u explain this:

why ur so called allah the god create pigs knowing pigs is dirty?

regarding the homo animals, i take it that muslims failed with nonsens view and ...


cha...
u are so arrogant and denial...
tell us what kind of language we can use to make u understand ? :bgrin:

from your previous thread (homo animals) :
1- Muslim don't know why God create that kind creature...
2- God have the right to do as He wish...
3- Muslim don't dare questioned or criticize God's work/creation


so, all we can say only base on logical explanation ...
- so man can think if they are at the same level with animal

so far, are u with me
understood ?? :cak:

but u never  understand and take it as an answer...
because u think your Bible has answer for everything..

so now, this is your chance to prove your faith in the Bible...
this is the moment of truth...
come on, be a good believer...
and back up your Bible




originally posted by Karengkang

1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?


come on answer this first...
i have so much questions for u to answer after this :bgrin:
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Post time 27-11-2006 10:02 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 27-11-2006 09:51 PM


cha...
u are so arrogant and denial...
tell us what kind of language we can use to make u understand ? :bgrin:

from your previous thread (homo animals) :
1- Muslim don't know why God crea ...


no problem i can answer ur question....before that, answer my question:

why ur allah create  pigs knowing pigs is dirty?
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Originally posted by MENJ at 27-11-2006 08:37 PM


Maybe you should ask that to the Jews as well, because coincidently, they believe in the same Old Testament as you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unclean_animals

- MENJ


heh...
i wonder why Truth.8 dare to ask such question :bgrin:
erkkkk ...it's a BIG boomerang to u..dummy.... :pmuka:

hmmm...i wonder who wrote this


Originally posted by Truth.8 at 22-11-2006 12:32 PM

not only crabs but also pork but the Bible says it is unclean.


now i will add the 4th question..
according to your "semua-ada-dalam" Bible... :lol
why your God created pig ?
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 Author| Post time 27-11-2006 10:06 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 27-11-2006 10:02 PM


no problem i can answer ur question....before that, answer my question:

why ur allah create  pigs knowing pigs is dirty?


do your God create pig as a clean animal?
prove it please :bgrin:
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 Author| Post time 27-11-2006 10:07 PM | Show all posts
i already answered all of your questions...
now, answer mine :bgrin:

1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?

according to your "semua-ada-dalam" Bible... :bgrin:
4- why your God created pig ?



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Post time 27-11-2006 11:39 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 27-11-2006 11:39 AM

Genesis 2:17
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

God did not create fruit of good and evil but 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'.
This is to tell them to seek knowledge only from Him.





2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

So show him that there are boundaries in life for man and there are choices and responsibility.




"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?

God never lied. Adam and Eve ate from teh tree and died spiritually.




i hope any of u can answer my questions

The same questions can be applied to allah.
Before you reply to my answers, can you please answer the same questions you posted with regard to allah? What is the logic for allah?
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 03:18 AM | Show all posts
hi Debmey...

since u answer my questions , it shows that u know about Christianity more than Truth.8 do :bgrin:
anyway...lets go to our discussion

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-11-2006 11:39 PM

Before you reply to my answers, can you please answer the same questions you posted with regard to allah? What is the logic for allah?


i'll try my best to answer that...

Question 1
according to Quran, there is no such thing as 'tree of knowledge of good and evil' ...because The God himself taught Adam about knowledge...

And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell Me the names of these if ye are right." Q 2:31

anyway,we do believed that God forbid them to eat from one tree (fruit) in heaven

We said: "O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression." Q 2:35

the forbidden on that fruit is only a symbol...
it only shows that human always want to do something against what he/she should do...or against what he/she was instructed..
and in fact it can be anything...
not because the fruit has some power,secret or whatsoever..

Question 2
since God is The Most Powerful...The Most Wise...The Most in everything
He can create anything that He will...when He will...where He will...where no one can see...no hand can reach...no one can know

Question 3
God never lied
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Post time 28-11-2006 05:42 AM | Show all posts
1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?

1. Because he planned to give it to them when they will be ready.

2. You also could ask why God created people with free will. Ops I forgot that according to KOran people have not free will.

3. Adam did die. As far as I know. Once he eat fruit he became a mortal creature.

Cheers.
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 04:35 PM | Show all posts
wahh....
this topic become more interesting...
there is another version of story we got here
- Debmey's version
- Nick Perelman's version

erkk i wonder what is Truth.8 version :bgrin:


Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 28-11-2006 05:42 AM

1. Because he planned to give it to them when they will be ready.


i've read the whole chapter (gen 1-3) but i didn't see any verse that support your statement..
anyway, could u show me the verse...
if there is no verse...how could u know what is God's planned ?


2. You also could ask why God created people with free will. Ops I forgot that according to KOran people have not free will.


there's no such thing as "free will" for man...
man only can choose whatever he/she want ...
but the consequences is still there..
so,u have to understood the meaning of "free will" and "free choice"....
please don't get confused with those words :nerd:


3. Adam did die. As far as I know.  Once he eat fruit he became a mortal creature.


then, how would u explain this:

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."


from this verse, doesn't it shows that Adam/Eve still can die ?


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so far, there is 2 version we got here

1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

Debmey's version - God did not create fruit of good and evil but 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'.This is to tell them to seek knowledge only from Him.

Perelman's version - Because he planned to give it to them when they will be ready.

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?


Debmey's version - So show him that there are boundaries in life for man and there are choices and responsibility.

Perelman's version - You also could ask why God created people with free will.

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?


Debmey's version - God never lied. Adam and Eve ate from teh tree and died spiritually.

Perelman's version - 3. Adam did die. As far as I know.  Once he eat fruit he became a mortal creature.


i still wonder...
what is Truth.8 version :lol


[ Last edited by  karengkang at 28-11-2006 04:57 PM ]
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 05:16 PM | Show all posts
can anybody tell me what is "died spiritually" exactly means ?
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Post time 28-11-2006 07:06 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 28-11-2006 04:35 PM
i've read the whole chapter (gen 1-3) but i didn't see any verse that support your statement..
anyway, could u show me the verse...
if there is no verse...how could u know what is God's planned ?

Beside written Torah there is also tradition that passed from father to son since Adam.

there's no such thing as "free will" for man...
man only can choose whatever he/she want ...
but the consequences is still there..
so,u have to understood the meaning of "free will" and "free choice"....
please don't get confused with those words

There is borth free will and free choice. If you dont believe in it, its your problem.

then, how would u explain this:

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

from this verse, doesn't it shows that Adam/Eve still can die ?

If they were not eating from tree of knowledge before the time, God would give them both  and they were living forever. Since they eat from tree of knowledge without permition, God sends them away hense He commits his promise and they die.

I am glad that you are studying Torah and asking question.

cheers.
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Hello Nick...
before  we continue our discussion..
i would like to know whether u are Jewish or Christian ?


Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 28-11-2006 07:06 PM

Beside written Torah there is also tradition that passed from father to son since Adam.



- what kind of "tradition" are u  talking about ?
- where is that source from ?


There is borth free will and free choice. If you dont believe in it, its your problem.


please give me an example of "free will" in human's life (if it really exist)

If they were not eating from tree of knowledge before the time, God would give them both  and they were living forever. Since they eat from tree of knowledge without permition, God sends them away hense He commits his promise and they die.


for now, i will take this as one's assumption...
until u can provide me a valid statement from valid source...
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