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Genesis 2:17 : Questions for Truth.8 and Debmey

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Post time 28-11-2006 08:50 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 28-11-2006 04:49 PM
so far, there is 2 version we got here

1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

Debmey's version - God did not create fruit of good and evil but 'tree of ...




what a BIG confusion among the christians:gado: n yet try to condemn others

how pathetic

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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 09:02 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 28-11-2006 07:06 PM

I am glad that you are studying Torah and asking question.


thanks Nick...

i want to ask one more thing ...
according your faith and understanding, is God has the "same shape" like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such

anyway, thanks again for your response
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 09:43 PM | Show all posts
i can see that Truth.8 don't have balls to answer my question

Goat's people konon
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Post time 28-11-2006 10:29 PM | Show all posts
I already did.
I can see that karenkang have no replies to by answers and counter questions.

cheers
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 10:33 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2006 10:29 PM
I already did.
I can see that karenkang have no replies to by answers and counter questions.

cheers


i will...
but not for now..
i have to hear what other Christian want to say about that..

p/s: still waiting for Truth stucked 8 :bgrin:
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 Author| Post time 28-11-2006 10:42 PM | Show all posts
Debmey...

by the way, can u elaborate the meaning of "died spiritually" ?
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Post time 28-11-2006 11:00 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 28-11-2006 08:49 PM
Hello Nick...
before  we continue our discussion..
i would like to know whether u are Jewish or Christian ?

I am jewish

- what kind of "tradition" are u  talking about ?
- where is that source from ?

Tradition is teaching that is passed from father to son. Adam passed teachings to Seth, Seth to Enocj, Enoch to Noach, Noach to Shem, Shem to Abraham, Abraham to Isaac, Isaac to Jacob, Jacob to his sons, they passed it to Amram, Amram to Moses, Moses passed tradition to people of Israel.

please give me an example of "free will" in human's life (if it really exist)

Everyone has many inclinations and incentives, ability to chose between them is a free will.

for now, i will take this as one's assumption...
until u can provide me a valid statement from valid source...

It's not assumption but explanation that you asked for. This explanation is based on tradition that traces from Adam.

All the best
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Post time 28-11-2006 11:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 28-11-2006 09:02 PM


thanks Nick...

i want to ask one more thing ...
according your faith and understanding, is God has the "same shape" like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such

anyway, thanks ag ...

God has not shape.
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Post time 28-11-2006 11:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 28-11-2006 10:42 PM
Debmey...

by the way, can u elaborate the meaning of "died spiritually" ?



no more immortality and seperation from God. What else?
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 Author| Post time 29-11-2006 05:07 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2006 11:05 PM



no more immortality and seperation from God. What else?


so, are u saying that before Adam and Eve ate that "fruit" ..
both of them are immortal ?

how would u explain this ?

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
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 Author| Post time 29-11-2006 05:31 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 28-11-2006 11:00 PM

Tradition is teaching that is passed from father to son. Adam passed teachings to Seth, Seth to Enocj, Enoch to Noach, Noach to Shem, Shem to Abraham, Abraham to Isaac, Isaac to  ...




if that so..
why Jewish explanation are different from Christianity explanation ?
both of u using the same book (Torah)...

**this question also applied to Debmey and Truth.8**

Everyone has many inclinations and incentives, ability to chose between them is a free will.


it's still sounds like "free choice"  to me ...

example:
1- there are many religion in this world...one can choose what he/she think it's the best for them ..
2- there are many transportation can get u to somewhere u want...but it's u who decide which one will u use

and so on..and so on...

It's not assumption but explanation that you asked for. This explanation is based on tradition that traces from Adam.


i see...
so Adam told Seth...Seth told Enocj...Enocj told Noach...bla bla bla.....up until Moses...

but somehow, there must be "someone" who told Adam about that...
that "someone" is God...
are u agree with me ?

and if God did told Adam about His planned...
i assumed there must be written somewhere in any books...
especially Torah..

tradition can be wrong..
but the word of God cannot..
that's my point actually...

so can u quote any verse from Torah to made your statement valid about this "God's planned"


[ Last edited by  karengkang at 29-11-2006 05:33 PM ]
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 Author| Post time 29-11-2006 05:34 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2006 11:05 PM



no more immortality and seperation from God. What else?


i would like to ask u the same question ..

according to your understanding ..
do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such


[ Last edited by  karengkang at 30-11-2006 01:49 PM ]
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Post time 29-11-2006 08:50 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 29-11-2006 05:31 PM
if that so..
why Jewish explanation are different from Christianity explanation ?
both of u using the same book (Torah)...

They dont have tradition that we got from prophets, so they invented their own explanations.

it's still sounds like "free choice"  to me ...

Thats matter of semantics.

and if God did told Adam about His planned...
i assumed there must be written somewhere in any books...
especially Torah..

If u write everything in Torah then it would be 50 books not one. Torah contains main issues. Details are explained by tradition.

best wishes,
Nick
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Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 29-11-2006 08:50 PM

They dont have tradition that we got from prophets, so they invented their own explanations.


okay...
now, lets assume that u have the right source..

Prophet Jesus (pbuh) also a Jewish isn't he ?
"someone" must told him about that
are u agree or not ?

and Christians have more book then Jewish...
the Bible includes Torah,Psalm and Injeel...
none of the books told them about "God's planned" u mentioned before

how come they (Christian) don't get that information.. ?
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Post time 30-11-2006 05:33 AM | Show all posts
an ignorant peacock
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 Author| Post time 30-11-2006 01:50 PM | Show all posts
still waiting for Debmey to answer this 2 questions..


Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2006 11:05 PM



no more immortality and seperation from God. What else?


so, are u saying that before Adam and Eve ate that "fruit" ..
both of them are immortal ?

how would u explain this ?

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."




Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2006 11:05 PM



no more immortality and seperation from God. What else?


i would like to ask u the same question ..

according to your understanding ..
do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such
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Post time 30-11-2006 04:49 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 30-11-2006 01:33 AM
how come they (Christian) don't get that information.. ?

Do Bahais (whos religion is derived from Islam) have all Islamic traditions? Strange question.

Both Christianity and Islam aroused from Judaism, but they did not accepted our tradition so they invented a new one.

cheers
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Originally posted by Nick_Perelman at 30-11-2006 04:49 PM

Do Bahais (whos religion is derived from Islam) have all Islamic traditions? Strange question.

Both Christianity and Islam aroused from Judaism, but they did not accepted our tradition so they ...


make a deeper search for bahai's..
u would know a big differences between us...

anyway,this is what a MUSLIM believed:
- Muhammad is God's last messenger
- Al-Quran is the last source...
- 5 pillars is the foundation..

heh...
what u mentioned above are another version of "israeli ideology" after Christianity..
in Malaysia, we got something like that too...
please google "ayah pin" or "sky kingdom"... :bgrin:
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 Author| Post time 3-12-2006 07:16 PM | Show all posts
i'm still waiting for Debmey to answer my questions...
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Post time 3-12-2006 09:35 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 27-11-2006 11:39 AM
Genesis 2:17 : Questions for Truth.8 and Debmey

what is the meaning of this verse ?

QUOTE:
Genesis 2:17
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
1- why your God create "fruit of good and evil" at the first place ?

2- why must God the most powerful,the most wise, the most in everything ...
create and put something important/sacred/danger that can be reach by any of His creation ?

"...for when you eat of it you will surely die."
3- can God lie ?

i hope any of u can answer my questions  



im quite sure muslims version of the story is quite the same. the tree is there, god was there, adam and eve (haiwa in muslim's case). isnt the same question can be ask for the muslim's version of the story? like why god put the tree there?
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Originally posted by me at 3-12-2006 09:35 PM



im quite sure muslims version of the story is quite the same. the tree is there, god was there, adam and eve (haiwa in muslim's case). isnt the same question can be ask for the muslim's versi ...


hi me...
it's nice to see u again

regarding your question..
if u read it carefully, u would realize that i already explained it (post #22)

btw,i would like to ask u the same question ..

according to your understanding ..
do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such


[ Last edited by  karengkang at 4-12-2006 02:25 AM ]
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still waiting for Debmey to reply post #41
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Post time 9-12-2006 08:56 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by karengkang at 4-12-2006 02:16 AM


hi me...
it's nice to see u again

regarding your question..
if u read it carefully, u would realize that i already explained it (post #22)

btw,i would like to ask u the same question ..

according to your understanding ..
do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such



nice to see you too
havent been active lately

first thing, your post #22 is only anwers by debmey and nick, but i cannot find yours.

and for your question why god put the tree there, i got only 1 answer, i dont know. but whatever the reason is, it must be a very good reason, he is god isnt he?

and for your question, do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such

i must say yes, because it is stated in the bible.

genesis1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth [6] upon the earth.

genesis3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant [2] to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. [3] 8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool [4] of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

genesis3:9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

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Originally posted by me at 9-12-2006 08:56 PM



nice to see you too
havent been active lately

first thing, your post #22 is only anwers by debmey and nick, but i cannot find yours.




hi again me...

seronok dapat melihat anda kembali di board ini...
maaf, terdapat kesilapan berkenaan perkara di atas...
jawapan saya ada pada post # 19 ..
bukan di post #22
maaf sekali lagi..


and for your question why god put the tree there, i got only 1 answer, i dont know.


untuk makluman anda...
soalan sebegitu saya tanyakan kerana ada dikalangan mereka yg mengaku beragama Kristian mempersoalkan ; "kenapa Tuhan mencipta itu sebegitu dan mengapa ini sebegini..."

walaupun berbagai jawapan telah diberikan..
mereka2 itu tidak menganggap apa yg diterangkan itu sebagai jawapan...
maka, saya wujudkan soalan2 begini..
di mana saya ambil terus dari Bible,supaya jelas dengan pemahaman mereka...


whatever the reason is, it must be a very good reason, he is god isnt he?


saya agak bersetuju dengan jawapan ini..
kita sebagai makhluk tidak berhak mempersoalkan kenapa Tuhan mencipta itu dan ini...
cuma sebagai makhluk yg dianugerahkan otak dan akal...
kita cuma boleh mengkaji/meneka dan mengambil iktibar dari kejadian itu...
contohnya: kenapa Tuhan ciptakan lalat...sedangkan binatang tu tak boleh dimakan dan boleh memudaratkan manusia



and for your question, do God has shape like us ?
i mean like walk, talk and such

i must say yes, because it is stated in the bible.


jadi maksudnya ,Tuhan yg saudara fahami ada 2 tangan, 2 kaki, 1 kepala dan sebagainya
serupa seperti manusia ?

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