Hikayat Nabi belah bulan..ade bukti arkeologi!

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by cauliflower at 1-2-2007 10:12 PM
eh jap...malam di tanah arab, pagi di europe?
bukan sepatutnya petang ke?

Telah dijawab dalam post #12 yer..hehehe...

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halimijuliana

Allah Maha Besar ... :pray:

rurouni_khairul

Petikan berikut aku jumpe di Internet. Samada boleh menjadi testimoni atau tidak, aku serahkan pada korang.

In a TV interview with the Egyptian Geologist Dr. Zaghloul Annajar, the anchor asked him about the verse: "The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon)."
(Quran 54:1) whether it contains any Quranic scientific astounding facts?

Dr. Zaghloul answered saying that he has a story to tell about this verse.

He started explaining that at a time he delivered a lecture at Cardiff University in the West of Britain. The attendees included both Muslims and non-Muslims. A vital dialogue was taking place around scientific facts included in the Noble Quran. During the course of the lecture, a Muslim young man stood asking me, Sir do you see in the Saying of Al Haq Tabarak wa Ta`ala (Allah the Truth may He be Exalted) - and he referred to the
above mentioned verse - any indication to the scientific facts included in the Quran?

Dr. Najjar answered: No because scientific astounding discoveries are interpreted through science whereas a miracle is something supernatural, which may not be interpreted through the usual.

The splitting of the moon is a miracle, which happened to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) in order to prove his prophecy. Tangible miracles are only a testimony of truth for those who witnessed it. It is only that the incident was mentioned in Quran and Prophet's Sunnah that made us believe other wise we Muslims of this era would have never believed in it. In addition that we know for sure that Allah Is most capable of anything.

At that point Dr. Zaghloul narrated the story of moon splitting as included in Sunnah books. He said, Sunnah books tell that five years before the immigration of Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) from Mecca to Medina, a group of people from the tribe of Quraish came challenging him saying: Oh Mohamed if you were really a Prophet and a Messenger bring to us a miracle to establish this fact.

So he asked them what do you want? They said in an effort to complicate matters for him: split the moon for us. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) stood supplicating to Allah to support him and grant him victory in this hard situation.

Allah may He be Exalted inspired him to sign towards the moon with his finger.
Immediately, the moon cleft into two parts standing far from each other for several hours then cling back together.
The pagans started claiming: Oh Mohamed (PBUH) practiced witchcraft on us. At this point some of the wise men explained that magic would only affect the attendees whereas it can not maintain influence on everybody in general.

They waited for travelers who were coming back from their journeys. The pagans harried up to the borders of Mecca in anticipation to meet the travelers. When the first arrivals appeared, they asked them did you see anything extraordinary happened to the moon?

The travelers answered yes on the night (X) we saw the moon splitting into two parts which remained asunder for sometime then reattached.

Upon this statement, a number of the group believed while the rest remained pagans. Therefore, the verse explains "The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon). * And if they see a sign, they turn away, and say: This is continuous magic. *They belied (the Verses of Allah - this Quran), and followed their own lusts. And every matter will be settled (according to the kind of deeds: good deeds will take their doers to Paradise, and similarly evil deeds will take their doers to Hell)." (Quran 54:1-3) until the end of the verses which were revealed in this regard.

Dr. Najjar continued that at this point a British Muslim young man introduced himself as Daoud Moussa Peetcock head of the British Islamic Party.
He carried on saying sir if you allow me I would like to add on this issue? I said please do.
He explained saying: At the time when I was searching in religions (before he embraced Islam), a Muslim student gave me as a present the translation of the meaning of Quran. I thanked him and took it home. The first Surat I came across when I opened the book, it was Chapter of the Moon I read "has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder". I said to myself, is this statement logical?

Is it possible for the moon to split and then reattach what kind of power may cause this? The man explained that this verse made me reluctant to continue reading. I became busy with my life, yet Allah of course Knows how sincere I was about finding the truth. So one day Allah made me sit to watch TV.

It was a talk show between a British commentator and three American astronautics specialists.
The show host was blaming the scientists for spending thriftily over space trips at a time when earth is suffering hunger, poverty, diseases and backwardness. He was telling them, it would have been more feasible to allocate this kind of money for reconstruction of earth.
To this argument, the three men answered defending their position that such technology is widely applied in many wakes of life such as medicine, industry and agriculture. They added that the money is never wasted but it rather supported the development of highly advanced technology.
During their dialogue, they mentioned the trip in which a man landed on the moon surface as it consumes the largest cost which comes to more than US $100.000.000.000. The British TV anchor screamed saying what kind of thrift is this? A hundred thousand million dollars just to plant the American flag on the moon surface?

They answered no; the objective was not to plant the American flag but rather to study the interior composition of the moon. We actually came to a finding that would cost us double folds of this amount for people to believe and yet they will never believe. The show host inquired what is this fact?

They replied: One day this moon was split and then reattached. The show host again probed: how did you realize that? The scientists responded about finding a belt of transformed rocks cutting the moon from its surface to core and then to the surface again. The stated saying: we consulted with earth scientists and geologists who explained that such phenomenon would never occur unless this moon one-day split and then reattached.

The British Muslim man said: I jumped out of my chair saying Allah (S&T) forced the Americans to spend more than a hundred million dollars to prove to Muslims a miracle that took place 1400 years ago for Mohamed (PBUH)??
This religion must be the truth.

He added: I went back to the Quran and recited Surat Al Qamar, which was my
gate for accepting Islam.


ALLAH AKBAR

was taken from :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wisdom_4_u_and_me/message/1005
http://mlivo.hypermart.net/6e-tefsir.htm


WILL YOU DARE TO SAY THE GOD OF MOON ANY MORE ?!!

[3:64]" Say : "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." "

xcentric

Asalamualaikum wbt.

Sebenarnya yang pelik bagi aku kenapa US hantar orang ke Bulan sekali saja ... atau mungkin mereka tak mahu meneroka bulan dengan lebih detail sebab bukti-bukti Allah S.W.T telah ada disana..

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by xcentric at 6-2-2007 12:13 PM
Asalamualaikum wbt.

Sebenarnya yang pelik bagi aku kenapa US hantar orang ke Bulan sekali saja ... atau mungkin mereka tak mahu meneroka bulan dengan lebih detail sebab bukti-bukti Allah S.W.T ...

Yup..Ade kemungkinan jugak...Tapi kite kena tau kos untuk menghantar angkasawan ke bulan menelan belanja berbillion USD..Bukan senang nak antar orang ke sana.

CRK

citer Niel Armstrong masuk Islam adalah tidak benar

alphawolf

Originally posted by xcentric at 6-2-2007 12:13
Asalamualaikum wbt.

Sebenarnya yang pelik bagi aku kenapa US hantar orang ke Bulan sekali saja ... atau mungkin mereka tak mahu meneroka bulan dengan lebih detail sebab bukti-bukti Allah S.W.T ...

Sebenarnya ada 7 misi angkasawan US ke bulan iaitu Apollo 11-17 (jadi bukan sekali sahaja US ke bulan). Apollo 13 tidak jadi mendarat di bulan kerana mendapat masalah dan terpaksa pulang ke bumi. Sebelum tu juga ada pendaratan prob (robot).

BTW...pasal tajuk thread ni. Walaupun takde siapa lagi yang buat kajian sebenar dibulan...cuma guna pemerhatian dari gambar sahaja, pembuktian kejadian tersebut bukan melalui arkeologi tapi GEOLOGI. Sekian TQ

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by alphawolf at 6-2-2007 03:06 PM


Sebenarnya ada 7 misi angkasawan US ke bulan iaitu Apollo 11-17 (jadi bukan sekali sahaja US ke bulan). Apollo 13 tidak jadi mendarat di bulan kerana mendapat masalah dan terpaksa pulang ke b ...

Arkeologi adalah bukti yang utama dalam thread nie manakala Geologi yang kedua. Bukti arkeologi adalah dokumen pengislaman dan pengembaraan Raja India tersebut yang ditemui di London.

alphawolf

Dari yang saya faham 'arkeologi' merujuk kepada kajian barangan fizikal seperti peralatan, bangunan dan sebagainya. Dokumen raja tersebut lebih kepada kajian sejarah...terutamanya bila dokumen tersebut dijumpai di London, dan bukan tempat asalnya di India.

civicbiru

bukan ker US x pnah menjejakkan kaki ke bulan???sedangkan gambar ni di pertikaikan...bulan ader angin ker..

ni atas stage


http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/68226main_young_salute_full.jpg

[ Last edited by  civicbiru at 7-2-2007 04:58 PM ]

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by alphawolf at 6-2-2007 03:58 PM
Dari yang saya faham 'arkeologi' merujuk kepada kajian barangan fizikal seperti peralatan, bangunan dan sebagainya. Dokumen raja tersebut lebih kepada kajian sejarah...terutamanya bila dokumen te ...

Definisi Arkeologi yang common:

the scientific study of past human cultures by analyzing the material remains (sites and artifacts) that people left behind.
www.saa.org/publications/sampler/terms.html
P.S: dalam definisi nie, hujah ko boleh diterima tetapi arkeologi bukan terhad pada tapak bangunan atau artifak semata-mata.

The discovery, recovery, and study of material evidence or artifacts (ie structures, tools, clothing, implements and burial sites in various states of preservation) of past human life and culture.
www.apsu.edu/wet/whatis.html

P.S: Pada pendapat aku arkeologi jugak tertakluk pada baik puli, penemuan dan kajian bukti-bukti dan 'implements' jiga bole ditakrifkan sebagai dokumen.

The process of study of past human cultures through analyzing material remains.
www.nps.gov/colo/TEACHERS/SG_Act/ArchGlossary.html

P.S: Kat sini ape2 saje yang dianggap material remains dan bole dikaji termasuk dalam disiplin arkeologi. Dokumen pada aku ialah material remains.

A knowledge of ancient art, customs, the science that studies the extinct relics of ancient times.
www.dreamghar.com/a1dic.htm

P.S: Dokumen jugak boleh masuk dalam 'ancient arts'.

the branch of anthropology that studies prehistoric people and their cultures
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

P.S: Pada aku dokumen jugak termasuk dalam cultures kepada sesebuah masyarakat. Dokumen tak terhad pada dokumen-dokumen rasmi cam surat urusan kerajaan, malah bole extent pada catatan manuskrip atau kesusasteraan.

Archaeology or arch鎜logy or sometimes in American English archeology (from the Greek words αρχαίος = ancient and λόγος = word/speech/discourse) is the study of human cultures through the recovery, documentation and analysis of cultural and environmental data, including architecture, artefacts, biofacts, human remains, and landscapes. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archeology

P.S: Bukan ker bukti utama yang aku kemukakan nie merupakan satu catatan peribadi seorang Raja India yang menyaksikan fenomena bulan terbelah dari India...pada aku ia juga bole masuk dalam kategori 'biofacts' dan 'artefacts' seperti di atas. Berikut aku jumpe definisi artefacts.

"Objects that give us information about another culture or time."
www.brooklynexpedition.org/structures/glossary_latin.html

Dalam arkeologi tak ade geographical constraints atau halangan dari segi geografi. Tidak kita samada dokumen tersebut ditemui di India atau London, ia tetap dianggap sebagai sebuah bukti arkeologi dari sesebuah kebudayaan. Harap penjelasan aku nie jelas.

[ Last edited by  rurouni_khairul at 6-2-2007 05:26 PM ]

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by civicbiru at 6-2-2007 04:47 PM
bukan ker US x pnah menjejakkan kaki ke bulan???sedangkan gambar ni di pertikaikan...bulan ader angin ker..

ni atas stage ...

Yup, gambar nie laa yang menunjukkan ketidaklogikan pendaratan di bulan tuh...Tapi perlu kita ingat, sejarah rasmi mengatakan manusia telah mendarat di bulan manakala bukti konspirasi seperti atas nie hanya bersifat secondary bukan sumber utama.

tinangol_csm

peristiwa bulan terbelah ini memang tidak dicatitkan dalam sejarah astronomi di Eropah kerana peristiwa itu berlaku ketika waktu malam di Tanah Arab manakala waktu di Eropah pula pada waktu itu ialah waktu pagi.

beza masa antara england dengan malaysia lebih kurang 7 jam ..arab dengan malaysia lebih kurang 5 jam...
arab dgn england lebih kurang 2 jam ...kalau dlm jam 10 kat arab, england jam 12 ....negara eropah timur pua ada yg lebih awal dari arab ....so mustahil kat eropah tu pagi masa bulan terbelah.

maaf kalau salah.

tinangol_csm

Originally posted by civicbiru at 6-2-2007 04:47 PM
bukan ker US x pnah menjejakkan kaki ke bulan???sedangkan gambar ni di pertikaikan...bulan ader angin ker..

ni atas stage ...

bukankah ada siaran secara langsung semasa pendaratan tu ???

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by tinangol_csm at 6-2-2007 06:21 PM


beza masa antara england dengan malaysia lebih kurang 7 jam ..arab dengan malaysia lebih kurang 5 jam...
arab dgn england lebih kurang 2 jam ...kalau dlm jam 10 kat arab, england jam 12 .... ...

Ilmu geografi saya agak berkarat sket...maaf la kalau silap

Tapi point saya ialah perbezaan Time Zone antara Jazirah arab dengan lain-lain benua hingga menjadikan peristiwa penting ini tidak kelihatan di mana-mana bahagian di dunia pada ketika itu.

tinangol_csm

Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 6-2-2007 07:23 PM


Ilmu geografi saya agak berkarat sket...maaf la kalau silap

Tapi point saya ialah perbezaan Time Zone antara Jazirah arab dengan lain-lain benua hingga menjadikan peristiwa penting in ...

saya pun tak belajar geografi .....cuma tengol EPL dlm jadual ikut masa UK ..kita tengok 7 jam lebih lewat...pasal middle est pula i ada member kat Iran( atasnya azebaijan termasuk dlam negara eropah) ...kalau kami chat mesti i awal 5 jam lebih dari dia ...semua tahu bahawa sebelah barat lebih lambat dari sebelah timur ....matahari terbit dari timur.

halimijuliana

Salam ...

Dan ada satu lagi gambarnya yg bayang2 senget berbanding pergerakan manusia ...

Kalau ada paste la ...

alphawolf

Originally posted by civicbiru at 6-2-2007 16:47
bukan ker US x pnah menjejakkan kaki ke bulan???sedangkan gambar ni di pertikaikan...bulan ader angin ker..

ni atas stage ...

Camne aku nak explain ye...mmg takde angin tapi bendera tu jadi camtu sebab ah..ambik penerangan yang ni le...

"The astronauts were moving the flag into position, causing motion. Since there is no air on the Moon to provide friction, these movements caused a long-lasting undulating movement seen in the flag. There was a rod extending from the top of the flagpole to hold the flag out for proper display. The fabric's rippled appearance was due to its having been folded during flight and gave it an appearance which could be mistaken for motion in a still photograph. The top supporting rod of the flag was telescopic and the crew of Apollo 11 found they could not fully extend it. Later crews did not fully extend this rod because they liked how it made the flag appear. A viewing of the videotape made during the Moonwalk shows that shortly after the astronauts remove their hands from the flag/flagpole, it stops moving and remains motionless. At one point the flag is in view for well over thirty minutes and it remains completely motionless throughout that period (and all similar periods)"

rurouni_khairul

Yup, memang tak dinafikan camner gambar camni bole diambil di bulan dengan bendera US berkibar megah di angkasaraya sedangkan kita semua tahu angkasa mane ade udara dan angin...

Aku ade dengar satu teori yang US memang mendarat di bulan dan angkasawan cuba amik gambar tapi bile balik ke bumi dan cuba cuci gambar tak nampak ape-ape (maybe sebab kat angkasa takde cahaya utk pembentukan gambar.

Oleh sebab US mase tuh tgh perang dingin dengan Soviet dan mereka tgh berlumba nak darat di bulan, maka pihak pentadbiran arahkan pendaratan olok-olok dibuat di padang pasir Nevada utk meyakinkan penduduk US dan bumi seluruhnya bahawa US dah memenangi perlumbaan tersebut.