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Post time 15-3-2007 09:46 PM | Show all posts
'Even now, I'd say, hands-down, that Israel will still defeat the Arabs if the Arabs try another invasion. Don't forget, Israel has that nuclear deterrent, a US strategic reserve, and a US Armoured Calvary Regiment stationed there. That ACR alone is capable of taking out an entire armoured division alone, and has beaten Israeli armour formations (which are among the best in the world) of similar size in exercises.'

Well, I think the next war, everyone would lose. There will be nuclear weapons exchange in the Middle East and whoever survises is better dead. It doesnt matter who lives in its aftermath.
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Post time 15-3-2007 09:50 PM | Show all posts

Reply #100 Debmey's post

You see, u need to learn to know the center of gravity theory.

Syria cant survive from complete isolation from Arab countries. FYI, it was after fierce consultations with all Arab countries, did the Arab peace initiative was tabled. It was a first and most serious effort to instil peace.

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Post time 15-3-2007 09:51 PM | Show all posts
ahmadenejab believes this is exactly what will bring the last imam back.

thats why he needs to be destroyed.
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Post time 15-3-2007 09:53 PM | Show all posts

Reply #99 Debmey's post

If by peace u mean complete cessation of all militant activitites immediately, I think the Arabs need time to eradicate them out. But , yes, peace is possible.
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Post time 15-3-2007 09:55 PM | Show all posts

Reply #101 RainbowSix's post

Neither Iran nor Israel, assuming both have nukes, will use them on each other except in dire circumtances or 2nd strike.
They're just too close to each other, and too many holy sites are at stake.
Even a dummy will know that the ultimate deterrence Israel has against the Arabs, or even terrorism, is a nuclear strike on Mecca, followed by every major city of the Arabs. But Israel will never do this unless her existence is threatened as any possible target for nuclear strike will send radiation back to her. Vice Versa for Iran. Apart from the IDF, another major factor why there hasn't been another major Arab-Israeli conflict is the nukes. That's why Iran so badly wants them.
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Post time 15-3-2007 09:56 PM | Show all posts

Reply #103 Debmey's post

Deb, u're world view is full of conflicts and destruction.

As you said that Israel's destruction is wrong, what makes u think doing it to Iran is right? Hmm..?
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Post time 15-3-2007 10:00 PM | Show all posts

Reply #105 mentosonline's post

U seem to have forgotten Pakistan and her relations with Arab nations.

Yes, perhaps total anhiliation has deterred further conflicts. But can u be sure the next Israeli incursion into Lebanon or wherever will only be met by Hezbollah? Honeslty, can u be sure? Take peace when u can get it.

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Post time 15-3-2007 10:25 PM | Show all posts

Reply #107 RainbowSix's post

Yes, take peace when you can get it, but not at the cost of making yourself vulnerable. Stalin's non-aggression pact of 1941 is the shining example of this.
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Post time 15-3-2007 10:47 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mentosonline at 15-3-2007 09:55 PM
Neither Iran nor Israel, assuming both have nukes, will use them on each other except in dire circumtances or 2nd strike.
They're just too close to each other, and too many holy sites are at sta ...


If you followed what has been happening, you will realise that ahmadenejab does want death and destruction. He think it will hasten the coming of the 13th imam. This guy has an apocalyptic view and thats very dangerous.
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Post time 16-3-2007 06:02 AM | Show all posts

Reply #109 Debmey's post

I see u r more dangerous than him....so u should be reprimanded, the most, or put in the psyco ward for observation....
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Post time 16-3-2007 10:04 AM | Show all posts
how can i be more dangerous than ahmadenejab when i don't make nukes?
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Post time 16-3-2007 10:33 AM | Show all posts

Reply #111 Debmey's post

Bcoz u have gay cooties...
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 Author| Post time 16-3-2007 10:56 AM | Show all posts
Iran, Bush and the Second Coming

The tensions between the United States and Iran reached a new level over the past week. Following a series of announcements regarding its nuclear program and tests of new weapons systems, Tehran announced on Tuesday that it was purchasing the sophisticated Tor M1 anti-aircraft missile system from Russia. On Friday, the IAEA released its highly anticipated report on the Iranian nuclear program and its failure to meet UN Security Council deadline to stop its uranium enrichment efforts. Secretary of State Condi Rice warned Sunday that it was time for Iran and its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to stop "playing games."

But while the differences between Washington and Tehran are threatening and growing, there are eerie similarities between presidents Bush and Ahmadinejad and their respective fundamentalist followers. For each, the strikingly analogous views regarding religious prophecy, second comings and the end of times for their respective Christian and Shiite eschatologies may be pushing Ahmadinejad and Bush inexorably towards war.

A recent piece by Matthias Kuntzel in the New Republic ("Ahmadinejad's Demons") presents a frightening picture of the Iranian side of the equation. Kuntzel portrays the Ahmadinejad as a "child of the revolution" fostering the cult of martyrdom and mass sacrifice that killed tens of thousands of young Iranians - the Basiji - during the war with Iraq in the 1980's. Just as Ayatollah Khomeini in 1980 called on Iranian children to martyr themselves in battle in the name of Hussein, the third imam and murdered grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, today's Iran of Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khameini have created for a special military unit called "Commando of Voluntary Martyrs." The Martyrs unit now boasts 52,000 members and will soon be in place in every Iranian province.

Central to the ideology of Ahmadinejad and the hard liners in Tehran is the role of the return of the "Twelfth Imam." In Shiite theology, the second coming of this last of the Prophet Muhammad's direct male descendents - the Mahdi - signals the imminent deliverance of the world from evil. As Kuntzel describes:

At the end of this line, there is the "Twelfth Imam," who is named Muhammad. Some call him the Mahdi (the "divinely guided one", though others say imam Zaman (from sahib-e zaman: "the ruler of time"). He was born in 869, the only son of the eleventh Imam. In 874, he disappeared without a trace, thereby bringing Muhammad's lineage to a close. In Shia mythology, however, the Twelfth Imam survived. The Shia believe that he merely withdrew from public view when he was five and that he will sooner or later emerge from his "occultation" in order to liberate the world from evil.


The killing of Hussein and the return of the Twelfth Imam are essential components of the language - and propaganda - of Ahmadinejad's Iran. He lauded what former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani deemed the "worthwhile" death of martyrdom, "Is there an art that is more beautiful, more divine, more eternal than the art of the martyr's death?" President Ahmadinejad last November declared, "The most important task of our Revolution is to prepare the way for the return of the Twelfth Imam." His government has even funded a research institute to study and if possible hasten the coming of "imam Zaman." And in his September 17, 2005 address to the UN General Assembly, Ahmadinejad implored God for the return of the Mahdi:

"O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."

All of which offers disturbing parallels between the Tehran regime and the worldview of President Bush and his fundamentalist followers in the American religious right. From the use of religious imagery and government funding of non-secular initiatives to the meaning of Israel, Armageddon and the second coming of Christ, Bush and the American Taliban see themselves as fulfilling biblical prophecy in the Middle East. In some important ways, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mirror image may reside in the White House.

The influence and impact of evangelical thinking and language about the End of Times and divine intervention upon the Bush administration is made clear in books like Kevin Phillips' "American Theocracy" and Michael Lind's "Made in Texas." Phillips concludes that George W. Bush is convinced that "God wanted him to be president", a view backed by Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, who reported, "Among the things he said to us was: I believe that God wants me to be president." As White House official Tim Goeglein once put it, "I think President Bush is God's man at this hour, and I say this with a great sense of humility."

President Bush himself has not publicly claimed to have a divine mandate. (As Time reported after September 11, however, "privately, Bush even talked of being chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment.") But Bush is clear in his belief that God's hand is at work in his presidency. Just last week, Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq, declaring:

"I base a lot of my foreign policy decisions on some things that I think are true. One, I believe there's an Almighty. And, secondly, I believe one of the great gifts of the Almighty is the desire in everybody's soul, regardless of what you look like or where you live, to be free."

During a February 2003 National Prayer Breakfast, the President intoned:

"We can be confident in the ways of Providence...Behind all of life and all of history, there's a dedication and purpose, set by the hand of a just and faithful God."

(For more on Bush's use of religious imagery, see "Bush's Religious Language" in The Nation and this commentary by his former speechwriter, Michael Gerson.)

During a March appearance in Cleveland, President Bush brushed aside the question, "Do you believe this, that the war in Iraq and the rise of terrorism are signs of the Apocalypse? And if not, why not?" While Bush may or may not literally believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ are imminent, his radical right Republican base is another matter altogether. Appearing on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight in March, Kevin Phillips noted that while Bush can't publicly state that he literally believes in the biblical prophecy of Armageddon in the Book of Revelations, his conservative Christian allies clearly do:

"A survey by "Newsweek" several years back found that 45 percent of American Christians believed in Armageddon, that it was coming. And about the same percentage thought the anti- Christ was already on Earth. Now, if you were to take the religious Christians, and the Republican coalition includes most of the religious Christians, you probably have about 55 percent of the Republican coalition that believes in this."

By "this," Phillips is referring to the end of times struggle in Israel, the conversion or mass death of Jews with the Second Coming of Christ. As Jerry Falwell put it, "scripture is clear on that." (Falwell also told Newsweek's Howard Fineman that he introduced George W. Bush to Tim LaHaye, author of the "Left Behind" series on the Second Coming and the Rapture.) That future, as Rod Dreher described it in the National Review four years ago:

"To Jews who adhere to ancient tradition, whose number include religious Israeli nationalists, the long-awaited Messiah will return to become the king of Israel and high priest of a rebuilt Temple, which can only be on Temple Mount. For Christian fundamentalists, Jesus Christ's return at the height of the battle of Armageddon, in which forces of the Antichrist clash in Israel with a 200 million-man army from the East, will require a Third Temple from which the Lord will begin a millennial reign."

The result for Bush's amen corner is what Fineman described as "Apocalypse Politics." That entails above all unswerving support for Israel. Israel is seen as ordained by God, a view held by 44% of Americans, according to a 2003 Pew Research survey. But the evangelical Christian Zionist movement goes further, seeing in Israel "a fulfillment of the biblical prophecy about the second coming of Jesus," a belief shared by 36% of Americans in the Pew research. For the Republican religious right, Israel must not only be staunchly supported in its conflict with the Palestinians, but that the conflict itself should be welcomed, even accelerated.

Bush's conservative Christian allies back Israel in both word and deed. Billy Graham and Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network offer daily prayers for Israel. For one-time presidential candidate Gary Bauer claimed, "America has an obligation to stand by Israel" because "God has promised that land to the Jewish people." Evangelicals organize pilgrimages and tours of Israel and even provide Jewish settlements in the West Bank with financial support. When the President Bush pressured Ariel Sharon in 2002 to pull back its tanks from towns in the West Bank, the White House received a hundred thousand emails from Falwell's followers and faced the Christian Coalition on Mall in Washington. Bush backed off. As the Village Voice reported in 2004, the Bush White House consulted with rapture Christians before finalizing its policy on Sharon's proposed Gaza withdrawal.
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But the friends of Bush are not content to wait for the Second Coming of Christ and with it, the slaughter of the mass of Jews with the conversion of the remaining 144,000. As Falwell put it, the arrival of the End of Times should be prodded, advanced and cajoled:

"The danger, if there is a danger in believing in the imminence of the Lord's return - and I do, is to become a fatalist, that certain things are going to happen regardless and there's nothing we can do about them. That isn't true."


Nowhere is this desire to accelerate biblical prophecy more on display than in the ongoing effort to breed the symbolic "red heifer." Since the early 1990's, fundamentalist Christians in the United States have been trying to help breed the perfect calf that will signal the Second Coming. As the NRO's Dreher described the biblical role of the red heifer:

"The ashes of a flawless red heifer - an extremely rare creature - were required by the ancient Hebrews to purify worshipers who went into the Temple to pray. In modern times, rabbinical law forbids Jews from setting foot on the Temple Mount, thus violating the site where the Holy of Holies dwelled, until and unless they are ritually purified. Without a perfect red heifer to sacrifice, the Third Temple cannot be built, and Moshiach - the Messiah - will not come."
It's no wonder Haaretz columnist David Landau deemed the red heifer "a four-legged bomb" with the potential to "set the entire region on fire."


While some wait for the arrival of the biblically mandated bovine, the apocalyptic theocracies of Washington and Tehran seem on a collision course. As President Bush's supporters view themselves as "Israel's only safety belt," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calls for Israel to be "wiped off the map." While the mullahs in Tehran look to the return of the Twelfth Imam to deliver them from evil, President Bush's allies await the Second Coming of Christ to usher in a millennium of peace. With their research institutes and breeding programs, the devout on both sides seek to accelerate the End of Times. And as their positions over the Iranian nuclear program harden, Presidents Bush and Ahmadinejad have more in common than they know.

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000376.htm


[ Last edited by  ef/x at 16-3-2007 11:04 AM ]
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Post time 16-3-2007 11:36 AM | Show all posts

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Jika israel menyerang lubnan buat kali kedua.LUbnan akan lumpuh sepenuhnya berikutan pergolakan dalaman dan sekatan senjata oleh PBB dan israel . Tiada ruang utk lubnan mempertahankan diri dan memperolehi senjata dari luar.
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Post time 16-3-2007 11:57 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by IceMallet at 16-3-2007 10:33 AM
Bcoz u have gay cooties...


n yu are dangerous cos you wear bra.
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Post time 16-3-2007 12:19 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 15-3-2007 09:14 PM

If singapore attack you, you have the right to defend yourself, even if it means building a fence in geylang.






The UN is a corrupt and useless organisation.




There is no j ...


So its ok if we occupy your lands, built settlements, build a fence and at the same time make numerous incursions to seek out resistance fighters a.k.a. SG terrorists while "accidentally" killing a few SG schoolkids in the process??  Wow... You must hate your country...

UN is corrupt... before it was "they didn't abide the UN resolution" (as if the zionists did any better )... after that I dont trust the UN... which is it Deb??

There's no justification to terrorism??  Then theres no justification of a nation built on terrorism, lead by terrorists, and continues to cause terror to people with no means to defend themselves...  We all know which "nation" I'm referring to... your beloved Israel...
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Post time 16-3-2007 12:26 PM | Show all posts
yes, you may attack us if we attack you first.
just as its ok for israel to attack palestinians and build a fence to protect itself.

since you are so against etrrorism, why are you msina supporting iran, syria and sudan?
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Post time 16-3-2007 12:32 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 15-3-2007 09:22 PM

Rock throwers? ever heard of pallywood?






The hezbos don't care how many civilians died, they wnat more civilians to die so they can blame it on jews.
Thats call terrorists warfare.


Ever heard of the Merkava??



And since you believe that then why continue bashing civvies??  Pretty stupid move on the zionists part if that really is the case right??
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Post time 16-3-2007 12:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 16-3-2007 12:26 PM
yes, you may attack us if we attack you first.
just as its ok for israel to attack palestinians and build a fence to protect itself.

since you are so against etrrorism, why are you msina supp ...


Nahh... you island is too small and lacks that nature scenery & appeal... no one wants to occupy your little island... not worth the hassle...

Terrorism is terrorism... dont matter what it is... but when people in power equate freedom fighters with terrorism just to gain sympathy (and military aid and dollars etc) what is that??  I'm sure the Nazis think of the French underground as terrorists... but after the Nazis lost no one ever mentioned it again... but if the Nazis won what do you think your history books would tell of the French Resistance?
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