Matrix; reality; virtual; metaphysics and buddhism....

wei_loon5063 · Post time 1-5-2007 06:43 AM

one question.. you watch "matrix" before?

have you ever ask yourself.. who are you deep inside.. why you exist?

If we look at our life, very simply, in a straightforward way, we see that it is marked with frustration and pain. This is because we attempt to secure our relationship with the "world out there", by solidifying our experiences in some concrete way. For example, we might have dinner with someone we admire very much, everything goes just right, and when we get home later we begin to fantasise about all the things we can do with our new-found friend, places we can go etc. We are going through the process of trying to cement our relationship. Perhaps, the next time we see our friend, she/he has a headache and is curt with us; we feel snubbed, hurt, all our plans go out the window. The problem is that the "world out there" is constantly changing, everything is impermanent and it is impossible to make a permanent relationship with anything, at all.

If we examine the notion of impermanence closely and honestly, we see that it is all-pervading, everything is marked by impermanence. We might posit an eternal consciousness principle, or higher self, but if we examine our consciousness closely we see that it is made up of temporary mental processes and events. We see that our "higher self" is speculative at best and imaginary to begin with. We have invented the idea to secure ourselves, to cement our relationship, once again. Because of this we feel uneasy and anxious, even at the best of times. It is only when we completely abandon clinging that we feel any relief from our queasiness.

These three things: pain, impermanence and egolessness are known as the three marks of existence.

is this world we live in reality? "Buddha" mean the awakened.....

from what? from this dream this virtual of us.... like neo...
why neo can fly, jump, evade bullets??
why? cause he has awakened.... from the dream that he thought is real...
many people in their dream thought their dream is so real that it kill them in their dream
neo got awakened.... he now control his mind
and has no desire in the dream that he once live.....
the Architect in matrix are his desire, ego, lust to exist....

when you dream... have you ever wonder in your dream...am i in reality? or dream?
dream of who? why you awakened from your dream?
because your desire is not that strong... desire to exist....

same in matrix... the people in the movie do not want to believe that they live in dream therfore they die in dream....

now....
try do this...... find a dark and quiet room..... sit down, close your eye... reflect on yourself..
what do you see when you try to relax and try to calm?
you feel restless, you feel chaos, you feel desire.....
it is this desire that makes you do not want to believe that this world is not real....
we come into this world with nothing...
you are born.. do you bring a pen with you?
when you die... do the pen disappear with you?
or it is only you that left?

If you live with no stron desire on this world... you can awakened...
when you awake, there is no time, no space, no begining, no end.........

erm......
Imagine this...
WE human are born into this world..
as a piece of blank paper... white paper....
no colour; no contrast......
we then wish our life to be colourful; full of joy;
we then pour colour on the paper...
the paper is no colourful....
yes.... but there is some part where there is dull colour and contrast..... white and black..so there is sorry n joy
it mean we human....... create suffering for ourself.....

we give false hope; we lie to ourself about life.........
and in the end we suffer.....we do not want to face realitiy........

it is this false assumptions that we give ourself.......
we pour the colour in our mind... and that colour is not the reality and the truth......

therefore colou is empty........
get it?? you need to think very deep.......
same in other religion....... we pour colour(money, fame, material etc..) in our life till we never care about religion.........
when you bancrupt, don`t complain by saying you lost it and want to suicide...
you never own anything in this world... you just live together with everything in this world.
you are born with nothing and nothing you will take to the after life... am I right???

For your information... those who has awakened such as buddhist monks..
those monks the can detach their mind from their body and back
when their mind are detatched, their heart stops and beat again....

it was showned in ripley believe it or not.... the west claim it is voodoo....
it has nothing to do with black magic.. you can do it too.....
just concentrate very hard and think why you exist....
try not too possessive on the things in this world.. know when to give up when you needed to...

have you ever wonder why their life is so pathetic? they try to free from desire of material things.
many of us desire and think we own things in this world which we do not own it... we just live with it

Disclaimer: forget what you read if it contradict your religion

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aku_EnSeM · Post time 1-5-2007 10:59 AM

wei_loon5063 · Post time 1-5-2007 12:10 PM

hai ensem???

understand???

Atomic_Omnikid · Post time 1-5-2007 05:40 PM

nice article..

ussopp · Post time 1-5-2007 08:18 PM

nice article wei loon....

here is knowledge related to your article in some way......

-------------->http://www.harunyahya.com/malaysian/relativiti02.php

if you want you can read from page 1...where they disccuss about big bang...

and this even closer to what youve been talking about.....its in english

---------------->http://www.harunyahya.com/matrix.php

---------------->http://www.harunyahya.com/matter.php

you know....Im wonder, its good to have as many knowledge as possible.....but what is the point of having knowledge,

if we cannot be a good human....??? its a great waste....am i rite?

make the knowledge make you a better person....thats more like it....

actually im saying this to myself....

anyway...

happy reading.........

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wei_loon5063 · Post time 1-5-2007 10:11 PM

Thanks....... I will read.. but not now.. exam is coming........

Ya...... knowledge.... you know; I like to read and take good things and reflect myself from time to time.....

to yourself and to me too.....

have you ever wonder whether we exist or not?

Like Buddha.. he awakened becasue he has zero desire for this world.... like neo

take this.. this is what I observe..........

IF we are in reality....

US.. You and me now.... we are in reality and I see everything is going virtual... chatting; gaming; buying; shopping etc...

And some even create brainwave helmet for the disabled and soon.........In far future... people will only communicat with their mind with each other virtually........

what say you?? what is reality; what is virtual?
For your information........
Before Siddarta awakened; his desire stop him........

He said "oh my desire; my ego.. you do not exist. You are my house that refuse to leave the ground. I am leaving as I have no desire for you."

You are a muslim right? same thing here...
I mean how can you go to heaven after you died and your mind still think of car; house; money; fame; power etc....

how can allah let you go heaven if you still bahave like normal people... desire for things that are not real???

Ussop... If you are free... try do this... try to meditate and free your mind from desire....

When you try to relas; many vision appear right? they are your desire; your restlessness........
It take sometime to settle down... when you do; you try to abandon them.....
then reflect yourself.... reflect deep... ask yourself.....
who are you...
why are you here.....
what is your destiny??
If it contradict with islam then never mind

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ussopp · Post time 1-5-2007 10:40 PM

yeah...those kind of thinking has made me unconfortable for at least a night....

you try to read the link i gave you....

the first one(in malay, sure you have no prob)

it talk about how we just living by the perception of our brain.....

its just like the matrix....fuuhhh!!!

at this rate actually reality and virtual have no different at allll.......

wei_loon5063 · Post time 1-5-2007 10:57 PM

yeah...those kind of thinking has made me unconfortable for at least a night....
your restlessness; chaotic; hate; pain in your mind?This is because you have desire......
Practically.... we cant be 100 too into this world nor 100% not into it....
it is just the line between two extreme odd....

you try to read the link i gave you....
I add it to my favourite d... I`ll read it as soon as my exam is over

the first one(in malay, sure you have no prob)
I got 3B for my BM... I think the main problem that I do not get A1... aoocrding to my friend.. for my personality and eagerness to explain thing; I fail in Rumusan.... I go to jelas instead of rumus..... =,=''

it talk about how we just living by the perception of our brain.....
You are right....... I mean in buddhism (awakened)
this world.. we create this world for ourself... We feel reality because we have desire....

at this rate actually reality and virtual have no different at allll.......
yeah.......
ermm.... actually; after you awakened, there are nothing in the real world... no hate; no love....
We love because we do not want to hate; we desire to be love
we hate because we are not love....
So, you see because of our desire as above; this world exist....
after you awakened and reach that place ( i think it is heaven in islam; christian as well)
where the place there is formless.....
even we are formless.....
our form are not constant... we are constantly changing....

mziskandar · Post time 1-5-2007 10:59 PM

in islam...

"Berusahalah untuk duniamu seolah-olah engkau hidup selama-lamanya, dan beramallah untuk akhiratmu seolah-olah engkau akan mati esok hari."

dlm solat, kami kena focus to god. x leh ingat benda lain... (no desire). thats why, after clean ourselves and wudhu (washing face, hand, etc and set our mind to pray) we cant touch our wife, doing dirty things, etc..

wei_loon5063 · Post time 1-5-2007 11:07 PM

in islam...

"Berusahalah untuk duniamu seolah-olah engkau hidup selama-lamanya, dan beramallah untuk akhiratmu seolah-olah engkau akan mati esok hari."
Saya tahu........

dlm solat, kami kena focus to god. x leh ingat benda lain... (no desire). thats why, after clean ourselves and wudhu (washing face, hand, etc and set our mind to pray) we cant touch our wife, doing dirty things, etc..
Betul......
sebenarnya... pendapat saya... tuhan hanya ada satu... dan dia hantar nabi ke dunia (quran cakap 230,000)
tuhan tak cakap dia tuhan apa.. nabi dihantar untuk hantar pesanan dan ajaran tuhan...
tapi kenapa tuhan satu dan manusia bahagikan tuhan kepada beberapa agama??
Hairankan?
cuba banding tuhan satu yang sama antara agama yang lain....Buddha siddarta mungkin juga nabi tuhan sebab macam
takdir dia "bangun" dari dunia ini.. dia ajar untuk bebaskan nafsu dan kehendak......
Mohamad.. nabi terakhir dan quran lebih lengkap dari buddhism........

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-5-2007 12:33 AM

When you awakened; this is what you experience in the realm of awakening....

"No Eye, Ear, Nose, Tongue, Body or Mind;
No Form, Sound, Smell, Taste, Touch or Mind Object;
No Realm of the Eye,
Until We Come to No realm of Consciousness."
"No ignorance and Also No Ending of Ignorance,
Until We Come to No Old Age and Death and
No Ending of Old Age and Death."
"Also, There is No Truth of Suffering,
Of the Cause of Suffering,
Of the Cessation of Suffering, Nor of the Path."
"There is No Wisdom, and There is No Attainment Whatsoever."
"Because There is Nothing to Be Attained,
No Obstruction in Mind."
"Because There is No Obstruction, He Has no Fear,"
"And He passes Far Beyond Confused Imagination."

I think it is the same as heaven in islam and christian....
only you and God...
You have no desire at all...

there is no begining and no end
You have no desire to exist so there is no begining;
you have no desire to live forever so there is no end.

In my opinion... It does no matter what religion you belong to..
as all the people who bear the message of god teach about getting closer to god...
Don`t you think that people like Siddarta; mohamad; jesus; moses are destined and chosen from one same god....
however, it is human who seperate them....

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ussopp · Post time 2-5-2007 02:03 AM

yeap.... i understand so so well

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-5-2007 03:50 AM

How well??

So, what do you see this awakening in islam??

Btw... Do all muslim go to heaven?

guynextdoor · Post time 2-5-2007 11:08 AM

good discussion though.. but so long you all folks sustain within the line. no problemo.

to answer ur question - not all, because not all muslim are r gud muslim, some are committed bad things too

aku_EnSeM · Post time 2-5-2007 12:09 PM

muslim... it's how you define muslim...

muslim is '2 kalimah syahadah', you believe in 1 God, that is Allah, and you believe Muhammad is the messenger of Allah...

so, every muslim would 'finally' go to heaven... but in the beginning, a large proportion of us go to the hell first...

i want to share a story, i got this from my senior...

there was a mother, who was a muslim, but have never done salat, but instead, she did a lot of things which are forbidden in islam.. but, just before she died, she asked her children to chop her body when she's dead, so that Allah 'could not call him in the Day of Judgement'. The point is, she did not underestimate Allah, but she was really afraid of the Day of Judgement, for she was really sure that Allah will throw her to the hell. She still got the Shayadatain deep in her heart. Guess what? This kind of woman would also be sent to the heaven....

aku_EnSeM · Post time 2-5-2007 12:13 PM

sorry... there was no 'science, technology, and mathematics' in my previous post....

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-5-2007 02:38 PM

Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 2-5-2007 12:13 PM
sorry... there was no 'science, technology, and mathematics' in my previous post....

It even has no meaning of awakening.........

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-5-2007 02:42 PM

Originally posted by guynextdoor at 2-5-2007 11:08 AM
to answer ur question - not all, because not all muslim are r gud muslim, some are committed bad things too

If not then to where?? Hell??

In Buddhism, awakening only happens to those who has zero lust;sin;desire etc...

Enlightenment also like going to heaven, just that it happen much sooner than you azab.

Going to heaven is like your physical body is broken and your time is up and you`ll be judged.....

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-5-2007 02:44 PM

Originally posted by guynextdoor at 2-5-2007 11:08 AM
to answer ur question - not all, because not all muslim are r gud muslim, some are committed bad things too

If not then to where?? Hell??

In Buddhism, awakening only happens to those who has zero lust;sin;desire etc...

Enlightenment also like going to heaven, just that it happen much sooner than you azab.

Going to heaven is like your physical body is broken and your time is up and you`ll be judged.....