Malaysian Jew

peacefrog · Post time 1-5-2007 11:39 PM

mak haku kata masa dia kecik2 dulu ader satu perkampongan Yahudi di Penang.

ader lagi tak kampung tuh?

or ader tak org Yahudi yang menetap dalam kelompok kat Malaysia ni?

sapa tau?

if so, dari mana mereka datang and bila mula bertapak?
penah tak korang jumpa a Malaysian Jew?

kalau benang nih dah ader tolong delete yer......

[ Last edited by peacefrog at 1-5-2007 11:41 PM ]

cz · Post time 2-5-2007 01:06 AM

Originally posted by peacefrog at 1-5-2007 11:39 PM
mak haku kata masa dia kecik2 dulu ader satu perkampongan Yahudi di Penang.

ader lagi tak kampung tuh?

or ader tak org Yahudi yang menetap dalam kelompok kat Malaysia ni?

sapa tau?

if ...

Huh...dah la penang ni hometown aku...meh usha sini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penang_Jews

The Penangite Jews (Malay: Yahudi Pulau Pinang), or Malaysian Jews (Yahudi Malaysia), are terms used to refer to Jews living in Malaysia, mainly in the state of Penang. Yet, they can also be found elsewhere in the nation, especially in Kuala Lumpur. The Penang Jews consist mainly of Oriental Jews (the majority of whom are Baghdadi Jews), as well as European Jews (Ashkenazi Jews). There are also a handful of Chinese Jews from Kaifeng, China. The Kaifeng Jews fled their Chinese homeland mainly during the anti-religious Communist take-over of mainland China from the Nationalist Chinese in 1949.

The first known Jew to settle in Penang was believed to have been Ezekiel Menassah, who emigrated from Baghdad in 1895,despite many historians' contradition (based on the dates given at theJewish Cemetery on the island) proving that the Penang Jewishcommunity's existence dating back to 1805. Menassah remained the onlyJew in Malaysia for 30 years, and he continued to observe Jewish holidays and keep up with kashrut. After World War I, more Jews began to settle in Malaysia. Then during World War II, the Jewish community was evacuated to Singapore, fearing Japaneseimprisonment and ill-treatment. By 1963, only 20 Jewish familiesremained in Malaysia. Penang's only synagogue closed down in 1976because, according to the George Town, Malaysia - SE Asia for Visitorswebsite, the synagogue "could no longer muster the requisite ten menabove the age of 12 needed to perform religious ceremonies." [1]In other words, this suggests the decreasing number of Jews living inMalaysia, due to their migration to other countries in the 1970s andhad made it impossible to perform Jewish ceremonies - such as barmitzvah. Furthermore, since the Arab-Israeli conflict, many Malaysian Muslimssympathised with the Palestinians and demonised the Israelis, whichresulted in many Jews fearing suppression and decided to emigrateelsewhere. Instead, the Penang Jews go to Singapore as the nearestdestination to fulfill such requirements, and only gather in Penang forevents such as attending Jewish funerals.

sayangidaku · Post time 2-5-2007 02:01 AM

aku pon curious gak psl mnde ni. :hmm: nasib baik ada org tanyakan. n thanx cz for the info.

cz · Post time 2-5-2007 03:49 AM

Originally posted by sayangidaku at 2-5-2007 02:01 AM
aku pon curious gak psl mnde ni. :hmm: nasib baik ada org tanyakan. n thanx cz for the info.

thanks. skrg aku lak curious satu mende lagi...ape beza yahudi berbanding kaum lain ek? bila tgk dlm wikipedia tu ade yahudi cina, yahudi german, yahudi setan dll...huhuhu...leh sesape terangkan..

p/s : tak silapnya dlm History, Myth ni dah ade benang pasal yahudi..kalo ade mod leh mergekan..

cz · Post time 2-5-2007 03:56 AM

Originally posted by peacefrog at 1-5-2007 11:39 PM
mak haku kata masa dia kecik2 dulu ader satu perkampongan Yahudi di Penang.

ader lagi tak kampung tuh?

or ader tak org Yahudi yang menetap dalam kelompok kat Malaysia ni?

sapa tau?

if ...

baru ni masa bulan awal bulan 3 aku ade lepak kat airport penang pasal ade meeting utk hal keje....so, time tgh lepak tu...first time lah aku jumpa yahudi sorang with full yahudi costume (dari cara pakai topi, janggut, black suit dll)....kitorang daring mat yahudi tu tak berkelip, agaknya hati masing2 geram kot kat suku sakat yahudi ni. mat yahudi tu plak baru tgh nak boarding flight..apa kah yg ada di pulau pinang bagi mereka???melawat suku sakat?or...

fleurzsa · Post time 2-5-2007 09:01 AM

Originally posted by peacefrog at 1-5-2007 11:39 PM
mak haku kata masa dia kecik2 dulu ader satu perkampongan Yahudi di Penang.
ader lagi tak kampung tuh?
or ader tak org Yahudi yang menetap dalam kelompok kat Malaysia ni?
sapa tau?
if ...

Kalo tak silap dulu ada seorg forumner dr Penang yg suka topik pasal Jew ni.. dont know why I thought about him when read this thread.

In my experience....

Pernah fell in love dgn satu mamat Jew ni... Tak pernah tanya pulak beliau berasal dr mana. Masa tu I ingat keluarga beliau keturunan India...now, that I know about Jew, Im not so sure then.. Nama diorg pun ganjil....

peacefrog · Post time 2-5-2007 09:18 AM

Originally posted by fleurzsa at 2-5-2007 09:01 AM

Kalo tak silap dulu ada seorg forumner dr Penang yg suka topik pasal Jew ni.. dont know why I thought about him when read this thread.

In my experience....

Pernah fell in love dgn sa ...

hmm adekah maknanya most Jew ni ala ala Indian kat Mesia nih. pasal tapak pon kat Penang (izinkan haku stereotype kejap)
ala2 John Abraham tuh (pelakon Bollywood)

fleurzsa · Post time 2-5-2007 11:47 AM

Originally posted by peacefrog at 2-5-2007 09:18 AM
hmm adekah maknanya most Jew ni ala ala Indian kat Mesia nih. pasal tapak pon kat Penang (izinkan haku stereotype kejap)
ala2 John Abraham tuh (pelakon Bollywood)

Segala bukti yg I ada menunding ke arah teori u itu...

Hmmm ada gak la rupa John Abraham... John Abraham versi nerd...

Info rahsia ni.....

Dulu la... tak tahu lak sekarang ni mcm mana... masa2 tertentu diorg ada perkumpulan di Petaling Jaya..

sofianbm · Post time 2-5-2007 12:23 PM

John Abraham (actor)

John Abraham (born December 17, 1972) is a former model turned Bollywood actor. He currently lives in Mumbai, India.

Abraham's father is a Malayali Saint Thomas Christian architect, from Alwaye, Kerala while his mother Phiroza Irani is part of Bombay's Irani community. Irani are descended from Iranian Zoroastrians who migrated to Mumbai in the late 19th and early 20th century. John sometimes describes himself as part-Irani [1] and sometimes as part-Iranian.[1]
Abraham's parents eloped; they were estranged from their respective parents until the birth of their first child, John. He was originally named Farhan, but his father gave him the name John, and he has used that name ever since. He has one younger brother, Alan.
Abraham attended Bombay Scottish School and later Jai Hind College.[2] He was an avid sportsman, captaining the college football team.[2] He later earned an MBA degree from MET.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Abraham_%28actor%29

P/S: Takde pulak source related dengan Jew. Mungkin hanya pada nama.

Cuba baca Mastika keluaran Mei 2007 Muka surat 58; Apa yang Yahudi Cari sebenarnya. Ada cerita pasal Yahudi kat Penang.

peacefrog · Post time 2-5-2007 02:53 PM

Originally posted by sofianbm at 2-5-2007 12:23 PM
John Abraham (actor)

John Abraham (born December 17, 1972) is a former model turned Bollywood actor. He currently lives in Mumbai, India.

Abraham's father is a Malayali Saint Thomas Chris ...

hmm ada dua pendapat. haku baca dia ni jewish dalam satu majalah picisan Malaysia ajer. nama plak cam yerk jer

Zoroaster? keturunan sembah apiler nih......

tapi wikipedia pon debatable....

migdal_bavel · Post time 2-5-2007 06:56 PM

Originally posted by peacefrog at 2-5-2007 09:18 AM

hmm adekah maknanya most Jew ni ala ala Indian kat Mesia nih. pasal tapak pon kat Penang (izinkan haku stereotype kejap)
ala2 John Abraham tuh (pelakon Bollywood)

jews kt penang kbnykannya adalah baghdadim (yahudi baghdad)..dorg bukan yahudi india....
mgkn muke dorg cm indian tp dorg dr iraq kebanyakannya....sm gk ngn jews kt s'pore....

ad byk yahudi german,yahudi cina, yahudi india, yahudi iraq, yahudi iran, yahudi jepun...bukannya maksudnya dorg ni
adlh org german/cina/india/iraq/iran/jepun yg convert tp sbb jews ni bangsa yg merantau...then berasimilasi ngn kaum tempatan tp still
mengekalkan cr idup n adat istiadat yahudi, that's y dorg ni ad mcm2 features...

ad lebih 20 bahasa yahudi yg resemble bahasa2 tempatan tp bercirikan bahasa ibrani...cm bahasa melayu/urdu yg ditulis dlm huruf arab

sayangidaku · Post time 2-5-2007 07:37 PM

selalu confused dlm membezakan yahudi convert dgn org yg betul2 ada keturunan yahudi.

cz · Post time 2-5-2007 09:19 PM

Originally posted by migdal_bavel at 2-5-2007 06:56 PM

jews kt penang kbnykannya adalah baghdadim (yahudi baghdad)..dorg bukan yahudi india....
mgkn muke dorg cm indian tp dorg dr iraq kebanyakannya....sm gk ngn jews kt s'pore....

ad byk ...

ic...ini kiranya masuk bab kawin campo la ni...

rurouni_khairul · Post time 2-5-2007 11:41 PM

Kubur Yahudi kat Penang tuh ade sebab mase perang dunia ke-2 dulu tanah Melayu terutamanya Penang dijadikan tempat refuge untuk Yahudi2 yang jadik mangsa kekejaman Nazi di Eropah...sebab mase tuh Malaya bawah jajahan British, so British bagi tumpang kejap sebagai tempat refuge sementara tunggu perang tamat. Skrg nie aku rase takde lagi Yahudi yang hidup kat Penang....penah dengar jugak kat Melaka dengan Johor ade tanah perkuburan Yahudi.

peacefrog · Post time 3-5-2007 08:29 AM

Originally posted by migdal_bavel at 2-5-2007 06:56 PM

jews kt penang kbnykannya adalah baghdadim (yahudi baghdad)..dorg bukan yahudi india....
mgkn muke dorg cm indian tp dorg dr iraq kebanyakannya....sm gk ngn jews kt s'pore....

ad byk ...

sorry kalau haku silap yer...

adakah ko salah sorang pdnyer?

peacefrog · Post time 3-5-2007 08:32 AM

Originally posted by sayangidaku at 2-5-2007 07:37 PM
selalu confused dlm membezakan yahudi convert dgn org yg betul2 ada keturunan yahudi.

Kate Capshaw (bini Steven Speilberg (berlakon citer arahan lakinya pd 80an dulu Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom) adalah Yahudi convert.
tapi, tak silap Yahudi bukannya boleh convert2 cenggitu ajer dia mesti berbangsa.....