TENTERA ZIONIS ADALAH PENGGANAS SEBENAR?

tangopapa

THE ISRAELI state is engaged in brutal violence against the Palestinian population and has killed hundreds of Palestinians over the past few months. In 1982 revolutionary socialist Tony Cliff, who died a year ago this month, wrote this explanation of why Israel acts in this way. He was writing just after Israel had invaded Lebanon and carried out massacres of both Lebanese and refugee Palestinians.

LOOKING BACK on my own experience in Palestine I can see how today抯 horror grew from small beginnings. Zionism, Jewish separateness and the belief in a Jewish homeland, have developed into state violence. My parents were pioneering Zionists, leaving Russia for Palestine in 1902 to join a total Zionist population of a few thousand.

I grew up a Zionist, but Zionism didn抰 have the ugly face we see today. However, there was always a fundamental crack between the Zionists and the Arabs. This same crack split Zionists from ordinary people in their countries of origin.

If you look to 19th century Russia it抯 clear. In 1891 Tsar Alexander II was assassinated. The next year Russia抯 extreme right organised a pogrom against the Jews. 揔ill a Jew and save Russia,

razhar

no lah..they are liberators....

tangopapa

britain patut dipersalahkan kerana bawak malaun tuh berkumpul disitu semasa WW2.....klu ikut aku, dgn apa yg israel buat skang ni, aku sanggup sokong apa NAZI buat kpd mereka....

Bila israel nak hancur? Sepatutnya iraq dah selesaikan semua tu masa desert storm dgn menghalakan scud ke israel....tapi dgn pertolongan patriot anjing israel...israel terselamat....aku pernah ingat tengok live telecast kesan scud ni pd israel...iraq patut ada byk lagi menatang scud tuh...

Israel sanggup buat apa saja untuk kepentingan negaranya...termasuk menenggelamkan kapal perang us...betul kata presiden iran, israel patut dilenyapkan daripada peta dunia...

razhar

dey kici..israel selamat kerana:

1. ada senjata nuklear-dia dah sedia nak guna kalu iraq terus bedil dgn scud.

2. kebanyakkan pelancar scud dimusnahkan oleh epos..dan itu matalamat mereka semasa desert storm..musnah scud dan yg sewaktu dgn nya..of course le..minyak jugak..

tangopapa

Klu us berperang ngan iran, aku rasa israel yg kena paling teruk sekali...

razhar

teruk pun..israel pasti guna nuklear..iran lagi baik kena dari iraq..so fallout dari ledakan nuklear tu tak kena israel..total war kot?  cuma wa bengang dgn si bodo tok2 arab yg bodo pingai tu....:@

[ Last edited by  razhar at 29-6-2007 11:59 PM ]

tangopapa

Tok arab tu ka? tak bleh harap.....msia pun harap pada jawatan oic je la..itu pun x bleh nak buat apa..

Nick_Perelman

The larger part, still untold in all its detail, is of the astounding social and economic progress made by the Palestinian Arabs under Israeli "oppression." At the inception of the occupation, conditions in the territories were quite dire. Life expectancy was low; malnutrition, infectious diseases, and child mortality were rife; and the level of education was very poor. Prior to the 1967 war, fewer than 60 percent of all male adults had been employed, with unemployment among refugees running as high as 83 percent. Within a brief period after the war, Israeli occupation had led to dramatic improvements in general well-being, placing the population of the territories ahead of most of their Arab neighbors.

In the economic sphere, most of this progress was the result of access to the far larger and more advanced Israeli economy: the number of Palestinians working in Israel rose from zero in 1967 to 66,000 in 1975 and 109,000 by 1986, accounting for 35 percent of the employed population of the West Bank and 45 percent in Gaza. Close to 2,000 industrial plants, employing almost half of the work force, were established in the territories under Israeli rule.

During the 1970's, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world -- ahead of such "wonders" as Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea, and substantially ahead of Israel itself. Although GNP per capita grew somewhat more slowly, the rate was still high by international standards, with per-capita GNP expanding tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $165 to $1,715 (compared with Jordan's $1,050, Egypt's $600, Turkey's $1,630, and Tunisia's $1,440). By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria's, more than four times Yemen's, and 10 percent higher than Jordan's (one of the better off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent.

Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.

Finally, and perhaps most strikingly, during the two decades preceding the intifada of the late 1980's, the number of schoolchildren in the territories grew by 102 percent, and the number of classes by 99 percent, though the population itself had grown by only 28 percent. Even more dramatic was the progress in higher education. At the time of the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, not a single university existed in these territories. By the early 1990's, there were seven such institutions, boasting some 16,500 students. Illiteracy rates dropped to 14 percent of adults over age 15, compared with 69 percent in Morocco, 61 percent in Egypt, 45 percent in Tunisia, and 44 percent in Syria.

Debmey

the 'palestinians' shld stayed with the israelis and get a decent life.

hijazzains

The fooking ARab states should absorb Palestinians as citizens instead of leaving them stateless and using them as political pawns.The ARabs states are also part of the evils that befallen the Palestinians, perhaps worse than the Israelis.

The ARabs I have to admit have no shame, at least their stupid politicians for doing this to the Palestinians.

I used to sympatihise with the Arabs, but seeing that they're the ones who shot their own foot, I have no more desire to get involved with their lame 'causes' which to a large extent their own faults. They should not whine and ask other non-Arab Muslims to fight for them which in turn make us as low and as pathetic as they are.

My 2 cent.

riccckyyy

only those bloody fools will put all the blames on the zionis israelis. in fact the PLO, hamas and fatah palestians are nothing better than those israelis. :ah:

alphawolf

Lebih banyak Scud break up dalam flight daripada kena tembak.

tangopapa

Banyak jugak scud tu yg kosong, tak bawa warhead...

Satu pandangan seorang penulis...

Apa yang tidak beretika bukanlah kedudukan hak bangsa Palestin untuk berjuang membebaskan keseluruhan tanah yang diduduki, tetapi ianya adalah hipokrasi standard-ganda kuasa-kuasa barat.

Sejarah

Hujah sejarah yang kebiasaannya digunakan selalunya dikaitkan dengan sudut etika. Bagi hujah sejarah, ianya tumbuh dari pandangan bahawa nenek-moyang bangsa Yahudi adalah yang pertama mendiami tanah datar Palestin; oleh itu ini memberi mereka hak terhadap tanah tersebut. Ini juga adalah hujah yang sama, tidakkah demikian, yang digunakan oleh Iraq berhubung Kuwait? Sepatutnya kuasa-kuasa kolonial menyokong Iraq ketika ia memasuki Kuwait pada 1990 berdasarkan tuntutan menurut hujah sejarah oleh pihak Iraq (tambahan pula Saddam merupakan seorang boneka barat), sama sebagaimana ketika mereka menyokong hujah sejarah Zionis terhadap Israel dan memberi laluan kepada Zionis untuk mencapai matlamat ini? Sebaliknya, dikala bangsa Palestin dihalau secara paksa untuk memberi laluan kepada entiti Zionis, masuknya Iraq ke Kuwait menjadi pencetus Perang Teluk. Oleh itu perlu diberi perhatian bahawa hujah sejarah bukan sahaja lemah, yang akan kami ringkaskan selepas ini, tetapi juga dicemari oleh hujah-hujah yang tidak logik. Bagi tujuan memperlengkapkan hujah, jika seseorang menurut logik penhujahan ini, maka contoh-contoh tuntutan berdasarkan hujah sejarah berikut mesti diterima pakai dengan cara yang sama , dengan resolusi, kekuatan dan kesungguhan yang sama untuk mengembalikan tanah kepada penduduk asalnya.

Agama

Secara politik (berdasarkan ajaran agama), Palestin tidak memiliki sebarang kepentingan bagi Yahudi

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by hijazzains at 30-6-2007 07:47 AM
The fooking ARab states should absorb Palestinians as citizens instead of leaving them stateless and using them as political pawns.The ARabs states are also part of the evils that befallen the Pa ...

As result of 1948 war 700 thousands Arabs fled from Israel to Arab countries and 850 thousands Jews fled from Arab countries to Israel.

While tiny Israel absorbed 850 thousands Jews, huge Arab countries refused to absorb 700 thousands Arabs and put them into closed crowded camps.

Most ironic is that those Arabs who remained in Israel (there are over 1.4 milion Arab citizens in Israel) live better than any other Muslim country.