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[Edisi Sains Am] Isra Miraj & Science

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Post time 29-7-2007 09:58 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Salah satu mukjizat Nabi Muhammad adalah Isra Miraj. Boleh tak korang bagi pandangan korang dari sudut Science bagaimana peristiwa ini boleh terjadi?

Boleh faham tak soalan saya? Last edited by dauswq on 4-4-2013 12:06 AM

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Post time 29-7-2007 10:46 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1 St.Yeepi's post

yea, that is a nice question, st yeepi...

i'll try to exclude the islamic part of it, because it would sound bias...

now, muhammad travelled in just 1 night.... while the speed greater than the speed of light is not possible, it is possible if:
1> Muhammad enters the 4th spatial dimension
2> Muhammad did not travel through our time dimension... in this kind of universe, muhammad can move greater than the speed of light relative to the earth...
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Post time 30-7-2007 02:30 PM | Show all posts
..or he use wormhole to travel ...
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Post time 30-7-2007 04:43 PM | Show all posts

Reply #3 Atomic_Omnikid's post

that is another possibility...

but did he leave our universe? it seems to be like that, dont u think?
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 Author| Post time 30-7-2007 09:29 PM | Show all posts
1> Muhammad enters the 4th spatial dimension
Boleh terangkan tak ngan lebih lanjut?

2> Muhammad did not travel through our time dimension... in this kind of universe, muhammad can move greater than the speed of light relative to the earth...
Hehe, kalau rajin lagi, boleh tak explain universe apakah itu?
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Post time 30-7-2007 10:12 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 30-7-2007 16:43
that is another possibility...

but did he leave our universe? it seems to be like that, dont u think?


i'm not a muslim so I don't know about detailed about this isra miraj thingy..or is that a event where mohammad said he travels to 7 different realms in one night,in Jerusalem using somethin ..

maybe the the realm is in another dimension...and instead from travelling to unreachable distance..i think he travelled to another dimension parallel to ours..
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Post time 31-7-2007 12:35 AM | Show all posts

Reply #5 St.Yeepi's post

perhaps the first one first...

imagine our earth, spherical earth.. we are bounded to the 2 dimensional surface of the earth... we can regard ourself as living in a 2-dimensional universe... Now, we know 2 points that is almost opposite to each other: Tokyo and Los Angeles (is that how we spell Angeles?)... hehehe.....

now, we are bounded to our 2-dimensional universe.... thus, we have to ravel almost 20000km from Tokyo to Los Angeles (consider that they are opposite)....

however, if we could travel to the third dimension, dont you think that we can travel faster? we only have to travel a distance equals to the diameter of the earth, which is much shorter than 20000km...

So, if the travel through 3rd dimension causes distance in 2 dimension to be shorter, by similarity, why cant we say that a travel through the 4th dimension gives shorter distance than 3 dimension? Our world is 3-dimensional (consider spatial dimension), and if muhammad was brought to the 4th dimension, he could travel in shorter distance... that would mean muhammad could travel across the universe in a shorter time... however, a historical fact is needed here...

also, can muhammad actually survive in 4-dimensional universe?   every thing can be made possible...


ermm... if the above doesnt apply, have anybody here heard about the thing that brought muhammad? ermm... if muhammad has traveled at a speed extremely close to the speed of light, then the scale factor of time dilation would be extremely large.... the time taken by muhammad to travel across the universe might have been extremely minuscule so that after calculations, the time taken by muhammad relative to the earth's time is only 1 night... can that be possible?

i seek for someone who is an expert in isra' mi'raj phenomenon to give some background on this travel of muhammad...
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Post time 31-7-2007 12:38 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Atomic_Omnikid's post

yea... generally, that what isra' mi'raj is... perhaps, you can give some background of what you know...

from what ive learnt, he met 7 other prophets before him... no scientific theories can ever prove this, im sorry...

he traveled through 7 heavens... in astronomy, what does this represent? or perhaps, by this time muhammad has left our universe behind...
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Post time 31-7-2007 12:43 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Atomic_Omnikid's post

yea... that is a nice idea... by entering another realm, muhammad did not need to obey our physical laws...

now, can we actually propose 1 thing? there is another realm outside of our universe.... can we accept this, to simplify our discussion? besides, we do also believe that there is indeed another realm right?
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 Author| Post time 31-7-2007 02:10 AM | Show all posts
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Post time 31-7-2007 04:50 PM | Show all posts
dear St.Yeepi,

macam mana maryam boleh lahirkan isa kalau tiada persetubuhan berlaku? ini pun perlukan bukti saintifik ke?
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 Author| Post time 31-7-2007 06:23 PM | Show all posts

Reply #11 adi_iskandar's post

Anda pernah dengar tentang Assisted reproductive technology (ART)? Bukan kah itu boleh di aplikasikan terhadap Maryam dan kelahiran Nabi Isa.

Saya bertanya perkara nie bukan bermakna saya ragu ragu dengan kebenaran kisah Isra Miraj, tetapi saya percaya, jika kita mengkaji dengan ilmu yang betul, maka kita akan bertemu huraian yang boleh diterima oleh akal.
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Post time 31-7-2007 11:06 PM | Show all posts

Reply #12 St.Yeepi's post

okay.... nice.... i understand...

kalau nk tau, kadang2 ustaz2 ni otak sempit.... tnye sket mcm ni, kate akidah tak kuat la, x caye ngan mukjizat la... tp sebahagian je... alhamdulillah, setakat ni ustaz aku x ckp camtu lg....

yeepi, cube kalau yeep post bende ni kat bod muslimin... ermm... mungkin ade yg ckp mcm2.... hehehe...
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Post time 1-8-2007 12:43 PM | Show all posts
mcm mana dengan kisah nabi musa membelah laut? dan tongkat bertukar menjadi ular besar. perlukah penjelasan saintifik juga? jawab jgn tak jawab..
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Post time 1-8-2007 06:17 PM | Show all posts

Reply #14 adi_iskandar's post

hehehehe...

hambe x pernah blaja fluid mechanics, so hambe x brape arif pasal laut....

perhaps, tegangan permukaan laut diubah... ini boleh dilakukan dengan menambah bahan2 tertentu kat laut...   tp x pasti ar....

kagumkah anda apabila melihat cecair mercury bergolek2 atas meja seperti bebola kecil? sedangkan ia adalah cecair... apa jadi kalau laut tu pulak jadi macam tu...


tongkat tukar jadi ular.... i have no idea.... sorry...
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Post time 2-8-2007 07:32 PM | Show all posts
mungkin objek berlainan rupa boleh berubah bentuk jika komposisi molekul boleh diubahkan untuk mendapatkan rupa objek lain.

Cth; diamond dan graphite,
chemical formula, C (carbon)

Diamond Crystalline arrangement:
Crystal habit        Octahedral
Crystal system        Isometric-Hexoctahedral (Cubic)

Graphite Crystalline arrangement;
Crystal habit        Tabular, six-sided foliated masses, granular to compacted masses
Crystal system        Hexagonal (6/m 2/m 2/m)
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Post time 3-8-2007 11:12 AM | Show all posts

iklan...

Ilmu Tuhan Maha Luas....

Allah itu Maha Kaya...

perumpamaan ilmu kita ngan ilmu Tuhan ialah sititik air laut berbanding ngan air laut keseluruhannya...

so teruskan bincang ilmu...
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Post time 3-8-2007 02:31 PM | Show all posts

Reply #16 me_ai's post

nice...

emm... make molekul tongkat itu diubah untuk menjadi ular... mungkin ade sesape yg berminat untuk mencari similarity struktur molekul tongkat dan ular...
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 Author| Post time 3-8-2007 03:09 PM | Show all posts

Reply #14 adi_iskandar's post

Nabi pernah ditanya oleh Sahabatnya, adakah Nabi melihat Allah ketika itu. Nabi tak marah marah pun kat Sahabatnya mahupun memperli Sahabatnya kerana bertanya. Jawapan Nabi:

Dari Abu Dzar, ia berkata: Aku bertanya kepada Rasulullah Shallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam: "Apakah paduka melihat Tuhan paduka?". Beliau menjawab: "Cahaya. Bagaimanakah aku melihat-Nya?"

    HR Muslim (178.1), Kitab al-Iman, Bab Tentang Sabdanya "Bahwasanya aku melihat-Nya sebagai cahaya" dan Tentang Sabdanya "Aku telah melihat cahaya".

Dari Abdullah bin Syaqiq, ia telah bersabda: Aku bertanya kepada Abu Dzar: "Seandainya aku melihat Rasulullah Shallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam, pasti aku akan menanyainya." Lantas dia berkata: "Tentang sesuatu apa?" Aku akan menanyainya: "Apakah baginda melihat Tuhan baginda?" Abu Dzar berkata: "Aku telah menanyainya, kemudian beliau jawab: 'Aku telah melihat cahaya'."

    HR Muslim (178.2), Kitab al-Iman, Bab Tentang Sabdanya "Bahwasanya aku melihat-Nya sebagai cahaya" dan Tentang Sabdanya "Aku telah melihat cahaya".


Jika anda boleh berfikir dengan rasional, anda pasti tahu mengapa Nabi menjawab begitu.
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Post time 11-8-2007 10:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #19 St.Yeepi's post

hmm...

nampaknya sabda baginda mungkin x boleh diertikan secara harfiah.... Allah mengarahkan manusia supaya tidak memikirkan tentang zat/physica appearanceNya kerana itu akan menyebabkan murtad. Namun, x salah jika kita memikirkan kekuasaanNya

So, dalam satu ayat al-Quran surah An-Nur, Allah berfirman yang 'Allah itu adalah cahaya kepada cahaya". Para ulama', termasuklah saintis tempatan interprete ayat ni sebagai 'Allah itu sumber kepada semua tenaga". Itu je yg haku tau... hehehehe...
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