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Post time 1-9-2007 03:58 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
[size=+1]"a soldier's obedience finds its limits where his knowledge, his conscience and his responsibility forbid to obey orders." [size=+1]colonel general Ludwig beck - the chief of general's staff of the german army (1932-1938).


Assalamualaikum semuer,

Adakah komer mempunyai PRINSIP di dalam perjuangan??
Dan apakah PRINSIP komer plak??

Seperti 'prinsip' the so called UTK Chief Inspector entah haper namer or kewujudan nya!! (di dalam Kes Altaltunya)

Wsalam
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Post time 1-9-2007 09:24 PM | Show all posts
stick to the order...execute it without asking why....loyal to the group...
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 Author| Post time 1-9-2007 10:53 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by razhar at 1-9-2007 09:24 PM
stick to the order...execute it without asking why....loyal to the group...


Oic....itu PRINSIP miker.

Saper lagi.............yg nak tambah???
Takkan yg lain TAK ADA PRINSIP??
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Post time 1-9-2007 11:25 PM | Show all posts
There is no bad soldiers but bad officers
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Post time 2-9-2007 12:02 AM | Show all posts
i'm waiting for the dubuk...
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 Author| Post time 2-9-2007 09:40 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by razhar at 2-9-2007 12:02 AM
i'm waiting for the dubuk...


Kui kui kui God Willing.............Debmey n cronies are welcome to give his/her opinion.

[ Last edited by  niceghost2005 at 3-9-2007 08:07 AM ]
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Post time 3-9-2007 12:16 AM | Show all posts

Reply #5 razhar's post

SShhh.....dubuk waiting riccckyyy u know...'test drive'.....
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 Author| Post time 3-9-2007 08:11 AM | Show all posts
Sampai ke TAHAP maner..........utk menTAATI perintah???
Apakah guidelines yg komer ikuti?

Bible?
Al Quran n Hadis?
G.O.?
Hak Asasi Manusia?

Sebabnya teman ada terbaca akan seorg tentera German WWII yg di tembak mati dgn Firing Squad bersama sama dgn oghang Yahudi di Yugoslavia.
Ia adalah semata mata dier ENGGAN menembak Kumpulan Oghang Yahudi tersebut.

Adakah tentera German ini di anggap sebagai PEMBELOT/TRAITOR ataupun HERO???
Kerana KEENGGANAN nya utk MEMATUHI PERINTAH dari oghang ATASAN nya.
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Post time 3-9-2007 12:40 PM | Show all posts

Reply #8 niceghost2005's post

total...obey it
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:31 PM | Show all posts
There is no right or wrong in war.  But in peacetime we must do what we believe is right to best prepare ourselves for war.  If we follow blindly then we are not passionate of our occupation.  I trust my men who question (with reason) the orders I give more.  It shows they care for their mission.
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Post time 3-9-2007 05:19 PM | Show all posts
Lu tanya prinsip pun bukan ada gunanya... gua dah tgk ramai yg cakap gah berprinsip mulia bila di bawah... tapi bila sampai di atas ni goyang jugak... tumbang pun ada...
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 Author| Post time 3-9-2007 05:47 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mat_toro at 3-9-2007 04:31 PM
There is no right or wrong in war.  But in peacetime we must do what we believe is right to best prepare ourselves for war.  If we follow blindly then we are not passionate of our occupation.  I  ...



Baguih nyer miker nie.............MT

Itu macam laa kalau jadi Leader.

Kalau miker di suruh tembak oghang yg tak berdoser/civies..........mau ikut kaaa???
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2007 05:06 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mat_toro at 3-9-2007 05:19 PM
Lu tanya prinsip pun bukan ada gunanya... gua dah tgk ramai yg cakap gah berprinsip mulia bila di bawah... tapi bila sampai di atas ni goyang jugak... tumbang pun ada...


Itu PRINSIP lum dapat PANGKAT n nampak $$$, MT

Biler dah dapat..............KELABU bijik mater.
Kerana takut PANGKAT kantoi..........

Ini berkenaan dgn PERINTAH MEMBUNUH CIVIES or ASOKAR MUSUH yg dah SURRENDER.

Sanggup ker miker ??
Ikut or Idak??
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Post time 4-9-2007 05:09 PM | Show all posts

Reply #13 niceghost2005's post

wa tanya mike le...kalo mike time tu terkepung dan kena cabut...mike bunuh ke tidak..
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2007 05:16 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mmc at 4-9-2007 05:09 PM
wa tanya mike le...kalo mike time tu terkepung dan kena cabut...mike bunuh ke tidak..


Kalau nyawa teman terancam olih civies yg bersenjata..................kena ler pertahan diri, MMC

Tapi kalau atur deme sederet kat tepi lombong............n tembak. Solly molly laaaaaa

How abt u??
Sanggup ker tembak civies yg di atur sederet kat tembok???
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Post time 4-9-2007 05:17 PM | Show all posts

Reply #15 niceghost2005's post

wa cakap fasal tu fasal kena tengok keadaan la....kalau macam zaman nabi orang lelaki yahudi semua kena bunuh tu macamana mau kira..
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2007 05:25 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mmc at 4-9-2007 05:17 PM
wa cakap fasal tu fasal kena tengok keadaan la....kalau macam zaman nabi orang lelaki yahudi semua kena bunuh tu macamana mau kira..


Miker kena tengok situasi KES YAHUDI LELAKI yg dewasa di hukum bunuh, MMC

1. deme langgar penjanjian (damai)
2. deme KHIANAT (mengangkat senjata)
3. di hukum mengikut HUKUMAN AGAMA YAHUDI sendiri (deme sendiri melantik HAKIM nya)
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Post time 4-9-2007 05:33 PM | Show all posts

Reply #17 niceghost2005's post

pakcik, mau tanya sket.

kita ambik contoh min yuen la. depa ni cuma supplier maklumat dan logistik je. kalo jumpa kita bunuh atau lepaskan.

depa lazimnya tak bawak senjata. cuma barang makanan je....
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 Author| Post time 4-9-2007 05:43 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tin at 4-9-2007 05:33 PM
pakcik, mau tanya sket.

kita ambik contoh min yuen la. depa ni cuma supplier maklumat dan logistik je. kalo jumpa kita bunuh atau lepaskan.

depa lazimnya tak bawak senjata. cuma barang maka ...


Di dalam peperangan ada SYARAT nya, Mod Tin
Di antara yg bley di bunuh ialah....
1. yg mengangkat senjata

Yang tidak bley di perangi ialah...
1. yg tidak bersenjata
2. yg tuer
3. wanita
4. kanak
5. binatang ternakan
6. ghumah ibadat
7. tanam tanaman

Tetapi ada juga KES yg di kecualikan.
1. musuh yg tegar (spt di dalam Kes Rasulullah saw menawan Mekah, ada LIST oghang yg di hukum mati di atas aktiviti deme)

Dalam kes yg miker tanyai,
1. tangkap
2. bicarakan
3. hukum
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Post time 4-9-2007 05:50 PM | Show all posts

Reply #19 niceghost2005's post

I see....

tapi pakcik, sekali lagi, kalo ikut syarat2 org yg tak boleh diperangi, min yuen tergolong di dalam orang yg tidak mengangkat senjata. depa cuma tukang angkat tong dram dengan tanam tong dram je.

sekiranya kita tangkap, bicara dan hukum. bukankah itu satu pengainiyaan besar? hukuman adalah seperti satu usaha untuk memerangi sesuatu, sesebuah atau seseorang. contoh, hukuman terhadap pencuri dilakukan untuk memerangi kecurian agar kegiatan jenayah tersebut dapat dihentikan.

dalam hal ni camner pulak?
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