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Kelas Bahasa Jepun (Nihongo)

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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 05:01 PM | Show all posts

Reply #46 miss_mulan77's post

dare mmg utk owang...tp dore utk mende
dochira tu lebey pd arah....sbb jwpn die dlm bentuk kochira, sochira, achira...
melainkn kalo kite nk ckp "dochira sama", then baru merujuk pd owang...tp tu dlm bentuk formal
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 05:03 PM | Show all posts

Reply #48 JUSTcircle's post

sbb tu kite tk leh gunekn ilmu jdorama kite dlm klas nihongo atau utk penulisan, sbb kebyakan bahasenye sume dlm informal nye format...
kalo utk choukai (listening) tu sesuai la gk...

melainkn kalo grammar kite bagus, dgr informal form utk sesuatu ayat / perkataan tu pn kite still leh figure out die nye formal form....tp cume setengah ayat / perkataan jela yg die nye informal n formal form die hampir same




[ Last edited by  lin_okinawa at 6-9-2007 05:06 PM ]
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Post time 6-9-2007 05:49 PM | Show all posts
laju betul.... yang sblm ni aku tak paham lg, korang dah tanyer mmcm2....
nak nak kena amik course betul2 nih.... seb bek course free...
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Post time 6-9-2007 06:31 PM | Show all posts
Kite nak sebuk kat sini boleh tak... ke ke ke...

Hari Selasa lepas ada student Uni Jepun datang kat uni kite... dorang nyanyi lagu Naotra Moriyama Sakura. Kite siap mix English, Jepun n Korea ckp ngan dorang... kesian kite...
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Post time 6-9-2007 06:45 PM | Show all posts

Reply #50 lin_okinawa's post

Arigatou lin san! Wakarima#a!
Sh|n tengah mendalami ilmu2 particle tuh...muzukashi desu ne..demo watashi wa ganbarimasu!
Minna san mo ganbarimasho!
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Post time 6-9-2007 06:46 PM | Show all posts

Reply #53 nzhass79's post

daijoubu, slow2 blaja. ape2 takfaham tanye je...ada banyak sensei...hehehe...
sh|n pun masih belajar basic lagi ni..
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Post time 6-9-2007 07:37 PM | Show all posts
KORE/SORE/ARE

Kore - Ini (Menunjukkan benda yang dekat dengan speaker)
Sore - Itu (Menunjukkan benda yang dekat dengan listener)
Are - Itu (Menunjukkan benda yang jauh dari both speaker n listener)

Contoh :
Kore wa kasa desu. (Ini adalah payung)
Are wa kaban desu. (Itu adalah beg)
Sore wa watashi no kaban desu. (Saya punya beg itu)

Q & A :
Kore wa nan desu ka. (Ini apa?)
Kore wa kaban desu. (Ini ialah beg)
Kaban desu. - short form. (Beg)

Sore wa dare no kaban desu ka. (Siapa punya beg itu?)
Watashi no kaban desu. (Saya punya beg itu)
Watashi no desu. - short form. (Saya punya)


KONO/SONO/ANO

Kono - Ini (Menunjukkan benda/orang yang dekat dengan speaker)
Sono - Itu (Menunjukkan benda/orang yang dekat dengan listener)
Ano - Itu (Menunjukkan benda/orang yang jauh dari both speaker n listener)

Contoh :
Kono kasa wa watashi no desu. (Payung ini saya punya)
Ano hito wa Shinobu-san desu. (Orang itu ialah Shinobu)

Q & A :
Sono kasa wa dare no desu ka. (Payung itu siapa punya?)
Sono kasa wa watashi no desu. (Payung itu saya punya)
Watashi no desu - short form. (Saya punya)

Ano hito wa dare desu ka. (Orang itu siapa?)
Ano hito wa Shinobu-san desu. (Orang itu ialah Shinobu)
Shinobu-san desu - short form.(Shinobu)


Perbezaan penggunaan

Kore wa Shinobu-san no kaban desu. (Ini ialah beg Shinobu)
Kono kaban wa Shinobu-san no desu. (Beg ini Shinobu punya)


Ganbatte kudasai!

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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 10:20 PM | Show all posts

Reply #53 nzhass79's post

kalo tk phm pon ko tetap leh tanye....hehehehe
wpon lesson 1 ke ape ke...tanye je
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 10:22 PM | Show all posts

Reply #55 sh|nobu's post

joshi ni ade kalanye mmg agak complicated....
ni baru single joshi, blom masuk ayat yg gune double joshi...
tp tkpe...tu lambat lagik...
ganbatte ne
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 10:56 PM | Show all posts

Nihongo Lesson 6

Using Pronouns

aku tk pasti ape translation utk "pronouns" dlm BM...tp aku akan kasik satu ayat supaya kowang tau ape itu pronouns...dlm ayat ni, aku akan italicize all the pronouns :

Mix those together like this, leave it right there for a while, and then give it to him with that..


bile dh bace ayat tu rasenye kowang dh leh agak pronouns tu cene kan???



Demonstrative Pronouns

Demonstrative pronouns ni nmpk cam lg complicated plak yeh....to make it simple, bia aku kasik satu contoh....ok, think about the donut shop.....u point at all the goodies n say, "i want six of these, two of those, and that big one right there."....u use demonstrative pronouns to point verbally...in nihongo, things are just a little more complicated than they are in eigo (english)....


contohnye, A adalah speaker dan B adalah listener....A dan B tgh duduk face to face at a cozy table in a fancy restaurant la katekan....in this case, the half of the table on A's side is A's territory n the other half on B's side is B's territory....table lelain dlm restoran tu are outside of both A's and B's territories....so bile kite dh nmpk boundaries die, baru bleh gune pronouns when referring to various foods throughout the restaurant....

antare pronouns nye ialah :-

Kore (これ ) - Things in A's territory...atau ngan kate lainnye bermaksud "This : dekat ngan speaker"

Sore (それ ) - Things in B's territory...atau ngan kate lainnye bermaksud "That : dekat ngan listener"

Are (あれ ) - Things outside of both A's and B's territories...atau ngan kate lainnye bermaksud "That : jauh dr kedue2 speaker n listener"


do u get the idea??
kalo kowang dh leh phm, then kowang leh la bygkn atau buat ayat tentang sape yg makan "tako" (たこ : octopus)....sape yg mkn "ika" (いか : squid)...dan sape yg mkn "ebi" (えび : udang) etc

skang aku akan kasik satu contoh "kaiwa" (かいわ : conversation)...


A : Sore wa ika desu ka (それ は いか です か : is that squid?)

B : Iie, kore wa tako desu. Sore wa ika desu ka (いいえ、 これ は たこ です。それ は いか です か : No, this one is octopus. Is that one squid?)

A : Hai, kore wa ika desu (はい、 これ は いか です : Yes, this one is squid)

B : Jyaa, are wa nan desu ka (じゃあ、 あれ は なん です か : Then, what is that one over there?)

A : Are wa ebi desu (あれ は えび です : That one over there is shrimp)
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Post time 6-9-2007 10:57 PM | Show all posts

Reply #59 lin_okinawa's post

tula...ni baru basic2 je lin...lin-san dah advance daa...uwaa...lambat shin nak kejor....
ni baru yang formal sentence, ada plak informal sentence - ntuk cakap ngan kengkawan...
takkan nak ckp formal lak ngan geng kan...hahaha...

contoh formal:
konnichiwa lin-san, kyo wa nan-ji made hatarakima#a ka.
formal translation : selamat petang cik lin, hari ini awak bekerja sehingga pukul berapa?
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 11:29 PM | Show all posts

sambungan...

Personal Pronouns

the first-person singular pronoun in nihongo is "watashi" (わたし ) dan dlm eigo (english) plak die bermaksud "I" dan jugak "me".....nihongo does have other personal pronouns, seperti :-


Watashi (わたし ) - I, me...contoh ayat, "Watashi wa Lin desu" (I'm Lin)

Wata$hitachi (わたしたち ) - we, us...contoh ayat, "Wata$hitachi wa nihonjin desu" (We are japanese)

Anata (あなた ) - you (singular)...contoh ayat, "Anata wa dare desu ka" (Who are u?)

Anatatachi (あなたたち ) - you (plural)...contoh ayat, "Anatatachi wa doko desu ka" (Where are you guys?)

Kare (かれ ) - he, him...contoh ayat, "Kare no namae wa Ito desu" (His name is Mr. Ito)

Karera (かれら ) - they, them (male & mixed genders)

Kanojo (かのじょ ) - she, her...contoh ayat, "Kanojo no namae wa Kimu desu" (Her name is Ms. Kim)

Kanojora (かのじょら ) - they, them (female)



the first-person singular pronoun is typically "watashi"...tp selain dr "watashi", ade lg care lain kite bleh bahsekn "I" and "me"...the formal version "watashikushi" (わたしくし )....lelaki besenye gune "boku" (ぼく : informal / neutral type of speech)....in informal contexts, setengah laki menggunekn "ore" (おれ )....dan ade setengah older men say "washi" (わし ).....manakala ppuan plak ade setengah yg gune "atashi" (あたし )


tp perlu diigt, jgn sesekali gunekn "ore", "washi" dan jugak "atashi" when talking with ur sensei, boss, customer atau memane golongan yg dikire golongan lg atas dr kite...."boku" plak is not that bad, tp "watashi" is safer in formal situations


satu lagik ialah penggunaan "anata"...the use of "anata" (you : singular) is almost forbidden...the person who says "anata" sounds snobby, arrogant or just foreign....kalo  ngan suami tu lain la...ni kalo bese nye ayat, antare owang bese la kirenye....


so cene agaknye kalo nk tanye soklan cam "Will u go there?" without using "anata"??

sakusen (strategy) yg pertame ialah is to drop the pronoun (see lesson 5's "dropping understood words" section)....maknenye cume gunekn the verb and the question particle....contoh cam "ikimasu ka" (Will u go there?)...perkataan yg aku italicize tu yg lps dh didrop pronouns nye...

sakusen (strategy) kedue utk avoid "anata" plak ialah to repeatedly use the person's name...contoh kalo kowang nk tanye member name "Yoko"....so kowang bleh tanye gini, "Yoko san, Yoko san wa ikimasu ka" (Yoko, is Yoko going?), which actually means, "Yoko, are you going there?"



aku arap ngan setsumei (explanation) aku arini, kowang bleh phm sume la
kalo tk phm jugak, cam besela...bleh tanye soklan...aku akan cube jwb takat mane yg aku tau
esk mlm aku akan ajar tentang verb plak...basic verb forms, conjugating verbs etc....tp yg pastinye esk byk kotoba (word) nihongo yg akan kowang blaja....mlm ni punye contoh pn dh byk atarashii kotoba (new word) yg aku dh letak...jgn lupe jot down yer

oh ye, sblm aku proceed ngan verbs esk..aku akan terangkn sket psl soklan dan jugak jwpn yg shinobu n aku tulis kt posting atas tu....psl dochira, dore sume tu...td aku cm lupe lak nk include contoh tu...so aku akan terangkn kemudian yer...


jyaa, oyasuminasai




[ Last edited by  lin_okinawa at 7-9-2007 10:19 AM ]
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 Author| Post time 6-9-2007 11:30 PM | Show all posts

Reply #61 sh|nobu's post

heheheeh mane der advance lagik...
aku pn terkial lg nih
tkpe, sesame blaja...
aku nye ilmu ni pn dh hampir berabuk
kalo tk renshuu, abis lerr
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Post time 7-9-2007 08:17 AM | Show all posts
tau jugak ape maksud "ARE" tu....
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Post time 7-9-2007 09:59 AM | Show all posts
laju tul kelas nie sehari aku cuti ..terkial kial aku memahamkan
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 Author| Post time 7-9-2007 10:11 AM | Show all posts

Reply #57 sh|nobu's post

aku nk tmbh sket notes ko...

mgkn ade setengah owang tertanye2, whats the difference between "kore / sore / are" dengan "kono / sono / ano"..???

besenye kalo owang ckp "kore wa..." owang tu tgh ckp psl "mende ni.."
tk tau  mende ape...kire di cume ckp "mende ni.." je

tp kalo kono, bermakne speaker tu ade sumthing specific utk di ckp...contoh cm "kono kaban" (beg ni)....kirenye die tgh ckp psl beg ni...."kono hito" (this person)...die tgh ckp psl owang ni....

kite tkleh gune "kore kaban"....kene gune "kono" gk...kalo g kedai, katekn kowang nk tshirt wane merah ni, kene ckp "kono akai shatsu o onegaishimasu"....kite dh tau mende yg kite nk tu, iaitu tshirt merah tu....sbb tu gune "kono, sono, ano" dan kalo nk soal kene tanye "dono"


pendek kate penggunaan "kono, sono, ano" ni lebey mendlm n tertumpu pd sesuatu perkare, jika dibandingkn ngan "kore, sore, are"....sbb "kore, sore, are" tidak tumpu pd sesuatu mende tu....kalo ade byk mende kt situ, kite bleh je ckp "sore"..kalo nk pilih antare bebyk tu, baru ckp "sono" etc
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Post time 7-9-2007 10:26 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by lin_okinawa at 5-9-2007 10:44 PM
eksen??action??maksud ko cene??
kurang phm


ups. hehe..
maksud haira
eksen yg cam sombong tu la
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Reply #67 haira's post

oo cam berlagak ke...??
kakko warui... kot
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Post time 7-9-2007 02:32 PM | Show all posts
lin-san arigatou gozaima#a. watashi wa wakarima#a.

ari ni tadi class blaja pasal verb and penggunaan particlenya. boleh tahan pening gakla..hihi..
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Reply #69 sh|nobu's post

tula verb n particle mmg agak pening sket...nmpk simple...tp sbnrnye tkdela sng cm yg kite tgk
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Post time 7-9-2007 04:02 PM | Show all posts

Reply #70 lin_okinawa's post

partikel kena ajar slow2...yg penting biar kenal penggunaan dulu
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 Author| Post time 7-9-2007 04:10 PM | Show all posts

Reply #71 whitedove's post

tula...aku pn tgh pk ni..
cene nk ajar particle lg
kalo ade notes lain, kene tepek
so that diowang leh phm penggunaan particle etc
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Post time 7-9-2007 04:53 PM | Show all posts
nak blaja tak susah sangat tau, sbb senang gak nak faham, cuma bila nak apply lam conversation jadik tunggang langgang.
last last aku berckp ngan sensei aku takde particle, sume satu satu perkataan je. hahaha...paham jugak die...
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Post time 7-9-2007 05:02 PM | Show all posts
OFF TOPIC...gomen nasai

tadi bawak yukata gi class mintak ajar sensei caner nak pakai/ikat obi...heehhe...
syiok gak!! tapi lupe bawak camera. derang suh bawak lagi getsu-yobi.
balik umah try sendiri lagi pastu baru amik gambar. hihih...best lah!
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 Author| Post time 7-9-2007 05:13 PM | Show all posts

Reply #73 sh|nobu's post

a'a tula aku ckp, kalo tgk skali je nmpk cm sng...
tp nk praktikkan tu agak susah
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