[MERGED] Matematik dan Sains in BM or in BI

~oren~

aku dulu belajar BI saja pandai pon bahasa inggeris..

leftarmy

aku sedih gila blaja dlm bi... kdg2 aku terfikir jugak kenapa tahun aku pula die nk tukar ke dlm bi sedangkan aku dulu di sek rendah belajar dlm bm.. skrg aku dah ting. 4.. dah 4 thn blaja dlm bi.. mmg x nafikan sub math n science aku selalu gagal... cita2 aku nk jd saintis jugak x dpt.. korang paham2 je la... 2 2 sub ni penting... subjek utama zaman skrg... aku form 4 nk masuk kelas science pon pikir2 dulu takot2 x leh bawa... nampak je math n science dlm bi.. tapi bile naik form 4.. bukn libatkan 2 sub... byk lagi.. bio, physic, chemistry, add math... semua ni lg rumit.. kalau xde asas bi yg tinggi... mmg x kan faham semua ni.... aku kecewa sgt2... hmpir putus asa pon ade coz aku sub lain xde prob pon.. kenapa mesti tahun aku... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....   


just nk tnye pada sapa yg tahu... next year (2008) aku amek spm... adakah paper masih dwibahasa atau diorg guna bi je... tahun ni x silap masih dwibahasa.. tp aku dgr upsr tahun dpn diorg test dlm bi sekali... spm mcm mn? aku takot ni.... spm ni PENTING!!!... jgnlah masa dpn aku gelap gara2 tindakan kerajaan buat keputusan melulu. kalau still dlm bm aku masih boleh belajar sendiri upah guru tuisyen yg leh ajar dlm bm...

miss_sepet

Originally posted by kermittx at 17-11-2007 04:15 PM
2 pai J.. dalam english ape ek..

aku tak ngajor maths

same jer...kecuali j tuh tukar jadik r... radius

sari_apot

mase zaman sekolah mmg lah guna bahasa melayu tu bagus, tapi bile dah masuk uni??? dah terkontang kanting nak belajar terms in english.

cth mase i belajar akaun kat sekolah dlm bhs melayu, bile masuk uni semua in english, reference book in english, kelam kabut jugak lah mase mula2 tu...

lagi pun kalau tukar ke bhs melayu, byk terms in english dimelayukan.... n kadang2 bunyi nye jadi kelakar

jadi eloklah kekalkan semua dlm english n buat soalan dwi bhs. baru adil dan saksama....

sicekgumath

bagi aku, ajar bahasa melayu atau bahasa inggeris sama jer..kalo ajar bahasa melayu, boleh bg jaminan ke sume akan berjaya, dan kalo belajar bahasa inggeris pon bkn alasan untuk dorang gagal, yg penting usaha dulu..tp kita sentiasa kejar menda yg meMUDAHkan..so kalo nk meMUDAHkan sume pihak, ajar la bahasa melayu, x salah pon..selama ni pon brapa ramai dah cendiakawan berjaya walopon blajar sains n math in melayu tp bukanlah alasan utk gagal kalo blaja bhs inggeris...-end-

tuahayam

Originally posted by leftarmy at 24-11-2007 05:28 PM
just nk tnye pada sapa yg tahu... next year (2008) aku amek spm...adakah paper masih dwibahasa atau diorg guna bi je... tahun ni x silapmasih dwibahasa.. tp aku dgr upsr tahun dpn diorg test dlm bi sekali...spm mcm mn? aku takot ni.... spm ni PENTING!!!.

Untuk peperiksaan tahun 2009.. pihak kementerian telah berjanji akan mengeluarkan statement dan keputusan akhir sama ada akan mengekalkan penggunaan BI dalam mt/sc atau menghapuskan penggunaannya..

Tapi yang pasti peperiksaan UPSR tahun depan.. tahun 2008..  akan dijalankan secara dwibahasa.. means murid dibenarkan menjawab dalam BM atau BI.. dan bagi SPM tiada statement dikuarkan.. tp aku rasa kan.. ianya masih dalam dwibahasa...

dexa

Wednesday November 28, 2007
English policy avidly followed

SEREMBAN: Among the education issues, the Government抯 policy of teaching Mathematics and Science in English, introduced five years ago, has drawn the most attention in the media and public debates.

Acknowledging this, Education Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said educational changes had always been fodder for debate, more so in a cultural melting pot like Malaysia.

揑f we want this nation to stand above the rest, we must know what we need to do to.

揑n a globalised world that is characteristically multilingual and multicultural, can we still persist in being monolingual and risk isolation where communication is key to inter cultural understanding for peace and harmony?

leftarmy

Originally posted by tuahayam at 27-11-2007 06:51 PM


Untuk peperiksaan tahun 2009.. pihak kementerian telah berjanji akan mengeluarkan statement dan keputusan akhir sama ada akan mengekalkan penggunaan BI dalam mt/sc atau menghapuskan penggunaa ...

betol ke still dwibahasa? tp upsr yg aku dgr die test sekali tuk BI... aku takot thn dpn x leh jwb dlm bm.. spm daa la penting... nape la malang betol zaman aku ni?? kalau nk wat BI pon.. start la dr budak sek rendah lg... ni masok secondary school trus blaja bi.. sdey aku...

macademia

Originally posted by leftarmy at 29-11-2007 11:44 AM


betol ke still dwibahasa? tp upsr yg aku dgr die test sekali tuk BI... aku takot thn dpn x leh jwb dlm bm.. spm daa la penting... nape la malang betol zaman aku ni?? kalau nk wat BI pon.. sta ...

UPSR utk tahun depan di ajar dalam BI. Tapi questions paper still available in dwi bahasa.

My guess is that the same goes for SPM.

Dik.... you dah blajar Maths and Science in English dari Form 1 kan.... PMR adik dulu macamana? ok tak?
Jangan cepat putus asa......

FYI, mac ada kenal someone, dia ambik SPM tahun ni.... org kampung, duduk kampung, sekolah kampung.... mac tgk dia beriya2 cuba improve english dia, walaupun family dia tak reti speaking.... dia tetap serious study subjects esp yg dalam BI tu......

DOnt start panicking dik... its never too late to learn.....

tuahayam

Originally posted by leftarmy at 29-11-2007 11:44 AM


betol ke still dwibahasa? tp upsr yg aku dgr die test sekali tuk BI... aku takot thn dpn x leh jwb dlm bm.. spm daa la penting... nape la malang betol zaman aku ni?? kalau nk wat BI pon.. sta ...

UPSR konform 100% dlm dwibahasa...

tp PMR dan SPM tak tahu lak.. sbb tak kaur apa2 penyataan dr MOE

leftarmy

Originally posted by macademia at 29-11-2007 12:31 PM


UPSR utk tahun depan di ajar dalam BI. Tapi questions paper still available in dwi bahasa.

My guess is that the same goes for SPM.

Dik.... you dah blajar Maths and Science in English da ...

thanx yerk.... dulu pmr mathz dpt C coz slalu ponteng kelas... hehe... lg pon mmg x smgt nk blaja time tuh tgk ckgu ngajar pon ngantok...
science pulak trial slalu dpt E tp PMR jwb dlm BM dpt B... hehe... so, kalau next year still dwibahasa ade peluang la... sure ke ni? boleh la start blaja dr skrg dlm bm...

dexa

interesting article wanna share with forum members -

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Teaching of Science and Mathematics: Phase in English at secondary level
By : KHAIRY JAMALUDDIN, Deputy leader, Umno Youth, Kuala Lumpur

AS someone who is partly responsible for bringing the issue of the teaching of Mathematics and Science in English back into the public domain through my speech at the recent Umno general assembly, I feel compelled to put the debate into the context of what I said and the general sentiments that were expressed at our party assembly.

There is no doubt that most Malaysians are in agreement that a strong command of the English language is an essential prerequisite for any school-leaver or graduate who wants to compete in the marketplace. English is no longer seen as a competitive advantage but a basic requirement for jobseekers, especially in the private sector.

The issue here is not the importance of English. In fact, in my speech, I urged Malays to emulate other communities in Malaysia by becoming bilingual, even trilingual. It is important to move out of a Bahasa Malaysia-only comfort zone and make it a point to embrace other languages.

What is at the core of the present debate is teaching Mathematics and Science in English. I admire the courage and wisdom that went into the decision to teach these two subjects in English.

I am certain that the decision was about precipitating change, jolting everyone to the stark realities of a rapidly changing world.
I accept the fact that the Malay civilisation and culture lack a scientific body of knowledge, hence the need to rely on another medium of instruction. It appeared to be the perfect solution.

In an ideal world, the teachers assigned were supposed to embrace the change and lead us into the brave, new world. However, the implementation of this policy has been fraught with imperfections.

Studies conducted by local universities have shown that teachers themselves are not prepared for this policy. It has, to a certain extent, traumatised segments of our children.

Now they are left with mastering two difficult subjects by using another difficult subject as a medium of instruction, a problem acknowledged by Tan Sri Ainuddin Wahid, the former vice-chancellor of Universiti Teknologi Malaysia, in an interview recently.

It has proved to be an assault on their confidence, desire to learn and ability to absorb lessons. They begin to lose faith in their own abilities. They lose interest in the important subjects of Mathematics and Science. This is especially true in the rural areas, as mentioned by director-general of Education Datuk Alimuddin Mohd Dom.

Simply put, the knowledge of Mathematics and Science is not being absorbed by the majority of our students because they face the added challenge of learning these already demanding fields in a language that is not their own.

Their grades in Mathematics and Science suffer and they don't show any meaningful improvement in spoken or written English.

My proposal was not a simple policy reversal with schools reverting to teaching these subjects in Bahasa Malaysia. This would bring us back to a status quo that everyone agreed was problematic. Rather, I focused on the intended consequences of the shift to teach these subjects in English in order to craft alternatives that could better deliver the desired outcome.

First, if we want to improve our students' command of English, we have to improve the teaching of the English language itself.

Teaching Science and Mathematics isn't going to lead to proficiency in English because of the technical nature of the subjects. Revamp the way we teach English. Train better English teachers.

Expose students to English literature. Even have co-curricular activities in English. That is a far better way to improve English usage than conflating it with Mathematics and Science.

They will be learning how to speak English in a multitude of academic and social settings instead of being caged into the narrow world of numbers and scientific theorem.

Second, since the other aim of the initial policy was to enable our students to understand the vast corpus of scientific knowledge that is largely written in English, I proposed that the teaching of Mathematics and Science in English could be gradually phased in at the secondary school level. At the primary level, students are just starting to learn the basic foundations of their subjects. If they fail to attain a strong grasp of Mathematics and Science because of English in these crucial years, they will be technically handicapped and unable to absorb more complex ideas in whatever language later on.

By phasing in the teaching of English only at the secondary level, the students would be more confident of their abilities in Mathematics and Science and hopefully would also have built some competency in English, especially if the first suggestion is implemented.

This way, they will be far better placed in terms of their command of English and their technical abilities in Science and Mathematics to understand advanced textbooks that are only available in English.

Thus, the position that was adopted and articulated at the Umno general assembly is far more nuanced than some of the views that have been expressed since.

I have full confidence that by 2010, once the key thrusts of the Education Master Plan have been rolled out, the revitalisation of the education system will prevail. The postponement of using English in Mathematics and Science in Ujian Pencapaian Sekolah Rendah reflects a pragmatism behind this revitalisation.

It reflects the courage of the minister to fix a problem before another generation of students are subject to a flawed experiment, however well meaning the intent.

I support wholly any efforts to improve the teaching and learning of English. But it can't be at the expense of Mathematics and Science. The greatest sin we can commit is to offer a playing field which is not level for our children. We cannot continue with policies that have our children defeated at the starting line.

We cannot afford to leave any child behind even if it means revisiting the salient terms of the policy.

dexa

Teaching of Mathematics and Science: No change in use of English

PUTRAJAYA: The teaching of Mathematics and Science in English will continue until a review is held before the end of next year.
The review will determine whether the move has suceeded in improving the students' proficiency in the English language.

Education director-general Datuk Alimuddin Mohd Dom said yesterday that Education Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein had indicated that a review would be carried out before any decision was made.

"The review cannot be carried out now because it has not reached a full circle yet. By the end of next year, we should know whether we will continue with it or not," he said when announcing the Penilaian Menengah Rendah results at his office.

Until then, Alimuddin said, there would be no changes in the learning and teaching of the two subjects in English.

"We will continue with the present policy by getting more teachers to undergo training and courses. Our 'buddy system', aimed at strengthening efforts to enhance the command of the English language among our children, will continue to be emphasized."

Umno Youth deputy chief Khairy Jamaluddin had proposed during the party's general assembly that the two subjects for primary schools be taught in Bahasa Malaysia after endless complaints and feedback from parents.

Khairy had said that although the government's intention to use English to teach the two subjects was noble, there was nothing wrong if "we go back to basics".

He had said that English could prove to be a hindrance for the pupils to acquire knowledge.

"There is nothing wrong for us to go back to basics by using the national language to teach the subjects," he had said when debating a resolution on education and the economy.

He had also said that teachers were also facing problems in teaching the two subjects in English.

Alimuddin said the fact that more students scored As in the Science subject in this year's PMR (17 per cent against 16 per cent last year) reflected the success of the move.

"The move has clearly benefited our students and every year, an increasing number of candidates try to answer the Mathematics and Science questions in English," he said.

Alimuddin said for the Science subject, 254,270 candidates who sat for this year's PMR answered the questions in English.

When the move was introduced in 2005, 144,789 PMR candidates answered the Science questions in English.

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in light of a good PMR result in science and maths
it seems that the using of english language for
both subjects will remain -

dexa

UMNO Johor tetap mahu Sains dan Matematik dalam BM

MUAR 28 Dis.

dexa

PMR 2007 bukti faedah BI bagi Sains, Matematik

DEBARAN 469,401 calon Penilaian Menengah Rendah (PMR) 2007 sudah pun berlalu, kelmarin. Pengumuman oleh Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran, Datuk Alimuddin Mohd Dom, menyaksikan 27,668 atau 5.9 peratus calon memperoleh Gred A dalam semua kemahiran ditaksir melalui tujuh, lapan atau sembilan mata pelajaran.

Carta prestasi cemerlang itu melakarkan peningkatan, berbanding 20,154 atau 4.5 peratus calon mendapat keputusan sama, tahun lalu, dan 20,101 atau 4.9 peratus pada 2005. Kemahiran ditaksir meliputi berbahasa, matematik, saintifik, keinsanan dan juga kemahiran hidup.

Meskipun Alimuddin menegaskan PMR hanya satu cabaran ukuran kecemerlangan pelajar berdasarkan tuntutan pembangunan holistik dalam Falsafah Pendidikan Kebangsaan yang meliputi aspek jasmani, emosi, rohani dan intelek, calon berjaya tetap diraikan umpama 憌ira di medan perjuangan ilmu

zul_bachok

Diberitahu oleh seorang guru disebuah sekolah bahawa buku bantuan untuk tahun sessi persekolah 2009 bagi matapelajaran Sains dan Matematik nanti akan menggunakan Bahasa Melayu. Maklumat ini baru diperolehi di kalangan guru guru yang bertanggung jawab di dalam soal buku bantuan.

Merujuk pada berita pada 28th Oktober 2007 tahun lepas, Perdana Menteri Dato’ Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi telah mengumumkan bahawa UPSR pada tahun 2008 akan diteruskan dalam bentuk dwibahasa iaitu Bahasa Ingeris dan Bahasa Cina untuk peperiksaan subjek Matematik dan Sains. Manakala kata Menteri Pelajaran, Hishamuddin Tun Hussien, kajian tentang penggunaan bahasa Inggeris akan dibuat sehingga hujung tahun sebelum membuat sebarang keputusan samada menerus atau membatalkan usaha ini.

Pertukaran semula ke Bahasa Melayu ini tidak dinyatakan secara terbuka oleh Pihak Kementerian atau Menteri buat masa ini, kerana bimbang ia akan menjadi bahan tawa dan bahan politik parti pembangkang.Oleh itu, usaha menukar kembali sistem pelajaran menggunakan bahasa Melayu akan dibuat secara senyap senyap tanpa memberitahu kepada umum sehingga pada waktu yang sesuai. Namun proses mencetak buku bantuan di dalam versi Bahasa Melayu akan dijalankan tidak lama lagi.

Sikap terburu buru tanpa perancangan yang terperinci pihak Kerajaan, telah sekali lagi merugikan rakyat jelata. Selain dari kerugian kos untuk perlaksanaan proses pertukaran ke bahasa Inggeris, murid murid juga turut kerugian masa dan fokus. Begitu juga dengan pihak guru guru yang merungut kerana dihantar kursus ke sana dan kemari untuk persiapan diri. Kini setelah beberapa tahun di kritik hebat dari pelbagai pihak termasuk Professor Di Raja Ungku Aziz, bloggers dan guru guru sendiri, usaha peminggiran bahasa melayu, terpaksa dihentikan.

Besar kemungkinan pengumuman ini akan dilakukan selepas pilihanraya. Kalau diberitahu sekarang, Kerajaan dan Hishamuddin akan pastinya menerima tamparan hebat kritikan dan kutukan dari pelbagai pihak.

miss_mira

susahlah macam nie... asyik tukar je.... kelam kabut tul......

sweet_charcoals

mengarut. jap cmni. jap cmtu. ajar je la dlm english. nk memartabatkan bahasa melayu sgt la konon. byk cr lain lagi la

ijad_adiputera

Kalau korang nak tau, masa aku skolah rendah dulu, BI aku memang teruk gilerrr...!! Malu aku kena ketawa dgn mmber2 sekelas... Lepas tu, aku tekad nak belajar BI betul-betul sampai aku pandai...

Cara aku belajar & menguasai Bahasa Inggeris:-

• Rajin rujuk pada kamus (dwi-bahasa atau BI-BI);
• Rajin baca bahan berbahasa Inggeris (surat khabar, komik, majalah dll);
• Rajin bertanya pada cikgu & mak ayah.
• Rajin mempraktikkan bertutur dlm BI dengan kawan-kawan.

Kini alhamdulillah, sekarang BI aku sangat memuaskan. Kalau tgk cter omputih kt Astro tanpa sari kata pun aku boleh phm. Aku tak pernah belajar sains & matematik dalam BI pun tapi BI aku pun elok jugak...

Sebenarnya, usaha untuk mengajar subjek sains dan matematik dalam BI adalah sesuatu pembaziran yang tidak memberi apa-apa manfaat. Malah ia dilihat meminggirkan bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa pengantar dan bahasa ilmu.

Untuk menguasai bahasa Inggeris, kita perlu berusaha sendiri dengan mempraktikkannya. Tak semestinya BI kita akan jadi bagus kalau ajar subjek sains dan matematik dalam BI, ... Maka, eloklah ditukarkan balik ke bahasa Melayu...

Usaha itu tangga kejayaan...

[ Last edited by  ijad_adiputera at 25-1-2008 11:31 PM ]

IQue_boy

yaaayyy sukenyer...klu sains lam bm...sng sket blaja nnt...
hahahaha