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Reply #180 hijazzains's post
Exactly.
I'm hoping for RSAF to get Gripens too. Their ability to operate outside proper facilities is a cost-effective alternative to getting STOVL JSFs that the RSAF leadership might be considering.
And the best part: The MBDA Meteor. |
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Reply #181 mentosonline's post
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Gripen still use US made engines. Will Malaysia need some US congress crap decision to get Gripen? |
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Reply #182 hijazzains's post
i don't think it will be a problem..our Hornets have almost the same basic engine type and other than the military,civil aviation uses GE engines as well.in fact,we've got a GE facility in SZB(Subang la..).
in the Gripen,the engine is made by Volvo Flygmotor(thus called the RM12) under license from GE using many parts from Sweden.
in the next evolution of the Gripen,the GE F414 will be used as a base for the next engine choice.its a natural evolution as the F414 has got the same basic circumferential footprint as the F404 but with a much higher thrust-to-weight ratio enginewise.
and yes,the Gripen was designed from the onset as a defensive platform but its not difficult to imagine the Gripen being an offensive platform as well..the number of possible weapon systems being made available to the Gripen will be substantial including some very new European standoff attack missiles.the range might not be that great when compared with heavier fighters but is still respectable.comformal tanks on futute variants plus in-flight refueling will see to the current range issue..tho i dont see a problem to that cuz for long range strike,we have the mighty Sukhoi.
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ada peluang ke malaysia dapat gripen versi e/f ? |
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Reply #184 hyazinth79's post
depends..
for me,we need to streamline RMAF's fleet of rojak fighters and reduce the type of fighters we fly.
with the current political scenario,i hope there will be no 'lost funds' for procurements like before.i think those culprits who take money from the people have done much damage to our Forces.we need to put a stop to all the nonsense.
the way i see it,1 sqn of H-MRCA(Sukhoi) and 3 sqns of M-MRCA(Gripen) should suffice for our requirements.
not easy..i know,but where there is a will,there should be a way.just make sure those JPs/KJs are not involved..its our money people,we should have a say too. |
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Reply #185 supergripen's post
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caya bro, the peoples power will make sure the culprits will get their punishment soon. they think they can escape with the public funds and dissapear laughing, but they will soon be "laughing" in their respective cells bcoz of the peoples will and doa (kira doa rakyat2 teraniaya la) |
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Korang ni dok kecoh pasal Gripen...sampai taktau yg Mesia berminat nak angkat J10...baca bawah ni diceduk dari Defence Talk..:@
US, Russia, China in fierce battle to sell fighter jets in Asia
Agence France-Presse | Mar 24, 2008
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Washington: The United States is bracing for tough competition from Russia and China as cash-flush Asian economies look up to the trio for a new breed of fighter jets to beef up their air forces, experts say.
Japan, India, Australia and South Korea are keen to have the most modern, fifth generation, jet fighters while Southeast Asian nations such as Malaysia and Indonesia are reportedly eyeing fourth generation fighters from China.
With Asia powering ahead with military modernization and capability growth, the United States wants to maintain leadership in defense sales in the region attracted by low cost offerings from Russia and China, experts said.
"The Americans and Russians are competing hard for the Asian fighter aircraft market, but everybody is also watching to see how aggressively the Chinese will be entering this market," Richard Fisher, an expert with the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center, told AFP.
The tight competition comes as Asian economies move ahead "much more aggressively" to upgrade their air defense capabilities, he said.
"It's not quite right to say an arms race, but there is an arms jog in Asia," Fisher said.
The United States is currently the sole producer of fifth generation fighters -- the F-22s and F-35s. Export of F-22s is barred by law while the lower cost F35s have just started flight testing ahead of deployment around 2012.
Russia and China's fifth generation fighter offerings could well be on the market between 2015 and 2020, a time frame experts say is not very far away in terms of defense planning.
"I don't want to get into the numbers because they were given to me in confidence but the price the Russians are estimating for their fifth generation fighter is substantially less than the Joint Strike Fighter (F-35) and substantially less than F-22," US aviation expert Reuben Johnson told a Washington forum last week on "challenges to the Asian air power balance."
He said the Russian arms industry was grappling with high production costs.
Russian weapon exports to China have also plunged as Beijing became more wary over Moscow's sales of its most advanced weaponry to neighbor India, Johnson said.
"What is really the challenge is we have two very large countries, China and India, whose economies are booming and who are buying lots of hardware and we are looking at a situation down the road where they are going to have very, very sophisticated air forces," he said.
Russia had already teamed up with India to co-develop and co-produce a version of Moscow's fifth generation fighter, but Fisher said that given the Indian preference of diversifying its weapons sources, it was possible New Delhi could purchase a US fifth generation fighter at some point.
The United States is also vying with Russia and others for a 12-billion-dollar contract to sell 126 fourth generation fighter jets to the Indian air force.
The competition from Russia could prod the Americans to lift an export ban on F-22s, eyed by Australia and Japan, top US allies in the region, experts said.
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates hinted during a recent Australian visit that Congress may be asked to reconsider the ban.
"It is imperative that the United States consider selling some version of the F-22 to maintain a strong deterrent posture in Asia," Fisher said.
"I would say categorically that Japan requires a capability of the level of the F-22 in order to sustain a sufficient position to deter China," he said.
Japan and another key US ally, South Korea, have indigenous fifth generation fighter programs but their transition to full scale development is uncertain.
Australia is also in the midst of a debate over the future of its fighter force.
Canberra recently said it would go ahead with the previous government's decision to acquire 24 US F/A-18 fighter jets for 5.6 billion dollars.
It also may review whether to purchase all of the F-35s the previous government committed to, or include F-22s in the package as well, experts said.
"There is a considerable private lobby and even some bipartisan interest in trying to purchase the F-22 because of fear of Russian sales to Southeast Asia and China's looming challenge," Fischer said.
Singapore, with one of the most powerful air forces in the region, is seen as probably a good potential customer for the F-35s.
The US-Russia competition for the fourth generation fighters is expected to be intense -- but China is emerging as a wild card.
"I would say within the next five years, China will be quite competitive at the low cost end of the fourth generation market," Fisher said.
Pakistan, for example, is co-developing a very low cost fourth generation FC-1 fighter with China and is very likely going to be the first export customer for China's larger J-10 fighter as well, experts said.
China is expected to "market aggressively" to Malaysia, Indonesia and Myanmar the same two fighters as well as the KJ-200 AWACS aircraft to the Southast Asian region, Fisher said.
Malaysia and Indonesia have purchased a relatively small number of advanced Russian Sukhoi fighters. |
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Reply #189 areguard's post
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mmm, base on news is very hard for China to penetrate Msia market esp some qulatiy reason... Mostly likely Msia will buy hardware from Russia but keen to buy from US as price may be a concerned... |
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Reply #189 areguard's post
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mmm, base on news is very hard for China to penetrate Msia market esp some qulatiy reason... Mostly likely Msia will buy hardware from Russia but keen to buy from US as price may be a concerned... |
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Reply #189 areguard's post
wow!! that is news indeed..didn't think we were that desperate so as to be interested in Chinese made fighters.granted they may look nice on paper and in pictures but i think they lack substance.
i hope this never happens.. the KS-1A fiasco is already one too many!! |
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Mm..I wonder if RMAF could get a really good package from SAAB.Gripen, Erieye and some Kongsber missiles,RBS15 and NSM..sigh..in my dreams. |
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Ada saya dengar universiti tempatan kita sedang mengorak langkah cuba mereka-cipta pesawat pejuang. Tak pasti universiti yg mana. |
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Reply #195 RainbowSix's post
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bukan yg fly scaled mig29 tu ka? anyway, bagus la kalau betul ada yg dok buat, jangan takat buat, demo, pas tu jadi jeruk sudah, pls ensure ada kesinambunagn dlm r&d tuh sampai wujudnya production series yg digunapakai ATM secara mutlak tanpa prejudis kerana mutu dan nilai tingginya dlm operasi pertahanan negara. |
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Originally posted by windof at 30-3-2008 16:45 
bukan yg fly scaled mig29 tu ka? anyway, bagus la kalau betul ada yg dok buat, jangan takat buat, demo, pas tu jadi jeruk sudah, pls ensure ada kesinambunagn dlm r&d tuh sampai wujudnya productio ...
Jet pejuang yg betul. Ia masih dlm perancangan. |
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Reply #196 windof's post
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unmaned fighter la tu... boleh pakai untuk ram sing isle!! |
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Reply #197 RainbowSix's post
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bagus, at least depa mulakan dari sekarang, harap cepat sikit siap a/c nih, kalu start dari scratch mau makan over 5 tahun. unless depa pakai e-prototyping plus e-wind tunnel testing plus semua2 e-e yg lain sampai keluaq prototype betul, boleh kot expedite. kena ensure jugak pesawat ni 5th gen, bukan gen 2, ikut perkembangan semasa... |
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Reply #198 malberi8's post
molek gak tu, better buat 2-2, manned n unmanned. yg unmannednya boleh diteruskan oleh kompeni yg buat aludra sekarang, tak banyak isu pertindihan skop atau perebutan kontrak.
[ Last edited by windof at 31-3-2008 01:03 AM ] |
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Post time 22-3-2008 04:35 PM
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What the Gripen lacks in range we solve by quantity.
