Need explanations regarding some of Bible verses

kompia23

and they really use the same word in exodus 7:1 and john 1:1
you can check it yourself

christians put the capital letter to suit their beliefs, that is clearly a wrong translation, it is a translation error which change the fact that jesus was not god, it effect the christian doctrine directly,

Not really true, the capital letter is to help readers to understand the scripture in better sense. Not to misguide the readers.

cant you see whats happening? the divinity of jesus is the christian beliefs, it is the core of christianity..

Same as yours, your core beliefs hang on Muhammad being the prophet. Without that, you know...

christian actually made their own doctrine..

I disagree with that.

Regards.

[ Last edited by  kompia23 at 6-2-2009 09:12 AM ]

kompia23

it is proven that the bible's trust-value is in question.

Again it is not the bible that is in the question, but the minor inaccuracy in the translation versions. Do make that clear.

it is not acceptable to us Muslims to have even a minute error in the Book of God.

You can tolerate minute error in your translation version but not ours. Won't that be showing double standard.

There is NO ERROR in the Quran.

No error in the Quran but contradiction in principle. i'll open new forum on it soon. Still reading through the book.

Regards.

hujanhijau

i jump from one thing to another?...
your the one who asked for errors that effect christians doctrine,
so i gave it to you..whats wrong with that?

hujanhijau

Originally posted by kompia23 at 6-2-2009 09:08 AM




Not really true, the capital letter is to help readers to understand the scripture in better sense. Not to misguide the readers....

did the translator told you that? no..that just your assumption
the fact that it was a translation error still stand

Originally posted by kompia23 at 6-2-2009 09:08 AM

Same as yours, your core beliefs hang on Muhammad....

were not discussing on Muhammad here, better focus on the reliability of the bible,
your holy book reliability is in questioned here

Debmey

So far you have no shown how copyist errors affect Christian doctrine at all.
Not even the whole muslim world can do that.

cheers

gunblade712

Originally posted by kompia23 at 6-2-2009 09:19 AM

Again it is not the bible that is in the question, but the minor inaccuracy in the translation versions. Do make that clear.

kompia, the bulk of websites which many of my Christian friends have given me (including you) told me that the original scripture has been lost.

Let's just agree that these website did not do their research properly and the original is still intact nowadays.

In 2 Chronicles 22:2 , what does the original text said about Ahaziah's age? 22 or 42?

You can tolerate minute error in your translation version but not ours. Won't that be showing double standard.

Kompia my bro, the "translation problems" (if you call it a problem) in the Quran doesn't change the facts of that the Quran is trying to say. There are certain words which the translator did translate it properly but the readers mistook it due to the fact that the readers did not learned the language of Arab. One of the examples is the thread which I've opened specifically for you, it's about the angels prostrating to Adam a.s.

Secondly, I've yet to come across in the bookstore the translation of the Quran WITHOUT the Arabic text. If you look at the translation of the Quran, it WILL say on it's cover "TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN" and there are also "TAFSIR AL-QURAN". Take your Bible and look at it's front cover. Does it say "TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE"?

No error in the Quran but contradiction in principle. i'll open new forum on it soon. Still reading through the book.

Regards.

Ok. I'm still not clear on what you are saying about the Quran, but thank you for clarifying that there are NO ERROR in the Quran.

Why wait, kompia? We are not telling you to hate Jesus Christ a.s., we are telling you to open up and see that Jesus Christ a.s. is just another mighty messanger of God, sent to the Jews, taught them the Oneness of Allah. We are telling you to open up and see that the Jews tried to kill him (a.s.), and if they did, then Jesus Christ a.s. is not the Messiah. We are telling you that Allah saved Jesus Christ a.s. from the cross.

gunblade712

hey debmey, if you wanna swallow everything of the Bible say even though it's proven that the book have errors in it, that's your privilege man..

we, the Muslims, believed that there should be no error in God's word.

Debmey

So how does copyist erros change Christain doctrine? Muslism can never answer.

cheers

hujanhijau

Originally posted by Debmey at 6-2-2009 09:42 AM
So far you have no shown how copyist errors affect Christian doctrine at all.
Not even the whole muslim world can do that.

cheers

i aready gave it to you..
your copyist intentional "error" create your own doctrine by changing the capital letter for (g) moses and (G) for jesus..

gunblade712

he'll provoke and divert from the topic, as usual.

Look at this thread, he did not answer even ONE of our question.

Heck, he didn't even answered his own challenge.

airfilterkotor

Now u said the bible contained typo errors.
There are so many versions(bible) out there, but still contained error..?
Did all those bible's translator missed that..? NO.
Meaning that the bible's translator did a good job.

So, where did the so-called 'typo error' came from..?
Pop-out out of nowhere...?
Briliant.


Doctrine...?
U means Trinity...Twoness...?
Thats MAN-MADE-DOCTRINE, la buddy.

Debmey

Originally posted by hujanhijau at 6-2-2009 10:48 AM


i aready gave it to you..
your copyist intentional "error" create your own doctrine by changing the capital letter for (g) moses and (G) for jesus..

Doctrine never changed at all, and its not even a copyist error my fren, you must high on ganja.

gunblade712

well how come some Christians don't believe in the trinity, debmey?

Debmey

Really? Must be fringe. I personally never met any.
There are lots of fringes too in islam, why ah? Why shias believe in diffrenet thing from you? Why some muslism believe hadiths are not authentic?

gunblade712

debmey, if what most Christians say are true, that the original scripture did not have any contradictions..

then in the original scripture, what does it says in 2 Chronicles 22:2? Does it say that Ahaziah was 22, or 42?

gunblade712

no matter if they are shiahs or sunnah or wahabi or whatever you call it..

they STILL belief in ONE LORD and THERE IS NONE BUT HIM, ALLAH THE CHERISHER, PROTECTOR.

Christians, on the other hand, differs in their points on God-hood.

Oh, there's one Christians here who don't believe in trinity. I thought you follow RSF?

Debmey

Such copyist error is ok with us Christians sir, no problem.

gunblade712

ok so it's your call.

Like I say, if you wanna take and swallow whatever the Bible wanna say even though contradiction is crystal clear, that is up to you.

If you belief that there can be error in God's book, that is also up to you.

Debmey

no just me call sir, its known among Christians. No doctrines are changed by number type copyists errors.

gunblade712

yes, so it is your call and the rest of Christians.

If the Christendom wanna take whatever the bible say even though the contradictions is crystal clear, hey, that's your privilege, ya?

oh, debmey, what does the original scripture says? does it say 42 or 22 in 2 Chronicles 22:2?