Sykt. Anak Mahathir - Petron & Arak

cookies_raya

tak kesah lah kalau dia nak bisnes minyak klu buat secara betul.



contract minyak ni dibuat se ...
Radzor Post at 11-7-2012 11:25

siasat semua ahli-ahli perniagaan yg ada geng ngan BN
cina ke, melayu ke, india ke...semua tanya

RedDevils

hari tu aku dah tanya tapi cam takde org jawab..kalau isi minyak dgn PETRON ni kita subahat dgn urus ...
peachRose Post at 10-7-2012 22:38

Izinkan saya beri pandangan saya, based on ilmu seciput yg saya ada ini. Kalau salah, sila betulkan. Utk lebih lanjut, boleh tanya pakar pakar muamalat Islam, boleh rujuk Majlis fatwa Kebangsaan atau Majlis Fikh Antarabangsa punya consensus .

Yang saya faham kalau kita setakat membeli petrol di syarikat yg mana salah satu punca rezeki syarikat itu ialah menerusi bisnes arak, maka kita tidak terlibat dalam Fiqah Pengharaman Arak. Ini adalah antara bahan bacaan yg bagus yg mana boleh dibaca, menjelaskan tentang fiqah ini secara jelas dan mudah: Fiqah Pengharaman Arak

Dan jika saya tidak silap, saya juga pernah mendengar penjelasan beberapa org ustaz, termasuk UZAR dalam isu yg awak bangkitkan ini, yg mana jawapannya kita tak berdosa/harus hukumnya.

Inigin saya berkongsi kes yg lebih kurang serupa, yg mana relevan dgn kita di zaman ini...Org bertanya apakah hukumnya kita makan di majlis kenduri/makan makan di rumah yg mana tuan rumahnya kita tahu terlibat dalam perniagaan/sumber rezeki yg tidak halal? maka jawapan UZAR yg diberikan di radio IKIM ialah bukan menjadi tanggungjawab kita utk tentukan dari mana sumber rezeki tuan rumah yg menjemput kita makan itu. Maknanya harus hukumnya kita penuhi jemputan itu dan makan makanan yg disediakan, selagi makanan itu halal dari segi penyediaannya. UZAR memetik kisah yg berlaku di zaman Nabi SAW dahulu:

Ibn Masud pernah ditanya :-

قال جاء رجل إلى عبد الله يعني بن مسعود فقال إن لي جارا ولا أعلم له شيئا إلا خبثا أو حراما وأنه يدعوني فأحرج أن آتيه واتحرج ان لا آتيه فقال ائته أو أوجبه فإنما وزره عليه

Ertinya : Aku mempunyai seorang jiran dan tidak ku ketahui berkenaan hartanay kecuali semuanya haram dan kotor, dan dia menjemputku (ke rumahnya) aku merasa sukar untuk hadir dan sukar juga untuk tidak hadir. Berkata Ibn masu'd : Terima dan hadirlah jemputannya sesungguhnya dosa-dosa ( dari harta haram tadi) adalah tanggungannya sahaja" ( Riwayat Al-Baihaqi,  5/335 ; Al-Baihaqi berkata sanad riwayat ini tidak kukuh)

Bacaan lanjut tentang nya di link ini: Hadiah & Hidangan Pemilik Harta Haram: Halalkah?

RedDevils

ko ni sugar_rose ek?
posting mcm sama jah...
menjawab soklan ko...suka hati aku le nak boikot  ...
peachRose Post at 11-7-2012 01:43

Saya setuju, andai terdetik keraguan di dalam hati bahawa sesuatu itu SYUBHAH, maka yg terbaik ialah dgn meninggalkan yg syubhah itu. Lain lah kalau langsung tiada alternatif lain.

magnus

Reply 80# baghal_bortuqal


    ooo ye ke bai...essso ehhh..wateverlah kan...janji ada stesen minyak udah...

prettyuglybabe

kenapa MAS pakai petron pulak? bukan selama ni pakai petronas ke? kata sokong brand tempatan.

airfilterkotor

Abam airfilter jangan terkujat, ada juga ummah urban (tak tahu lah Melayu ke hape) yang kata hukum tutup aurat itu hanyalah doktrin arab padang pasir..dan kematian itu bukan Allah yg tentukan, tapi proses semulajadi katanya
RedDevils Post at 11-7-2012 11:16 AM

Islam totop aurat... ikut dokrin ereb padang pasir katanya.
Jew totok dan kistian totok totop aurat... bukan doktrin ereb padang pasir plak.
Sedang Maryam pun digambarkan menutup kepala.

Persamaan tu daa jelas dah.

RedDevils

Islam totop aurat... ikut dokrin ereb padang pasir katanya.
Jew totok dan kistian totok totop a ...
airfilterkotor Post at 11-7-2012 12:29

Motif ummah macam ni berforum di CI jelas sekali Abam Airfilter..amat, amat jelas

Dalam thread yg tak bincangkan isu agama pun, ummah sebegini gigih nak sebarkan dakyah nya...contohnya dalam thread lelaki samurai mengamok di JPM tu...org tengah bincang pasal dia mati, Allah dah tarik nyawa, tiba tiba nak menyampok menceceh bagai pasal hukum alam pulak .  Kaka Red peduli hapa dgn kepercayaan dia, itu hak dia...Tapi nampak sangat motif terdesaknya, sampai dlm thread orang mengamok pun, asal ada kesempatan, sempat lagi nak sebar dakyahnya...

edoraixora

Reply 66# InVendeTTa


yg ni mmg aku setuju sgt2. kt petronas, mmg selesa & friendly user. surau, tandas mmg terjaga. aku malas nk campur aduk kan kehidupan aku dgn politik ni. menyusahkan aku ajer, semua mende yg bermohtipkan phk lawan nk diboikot..

ade tak parti politik yg mmg bebetul melaksanakan amar ma'aruf nahi mungkar ni? kalo ade, aku org pertama nk join..parti2 politik yg ade kt mesia ni semua bermohtipkan kepentingan diri memasing, saling kutuk mengutuk...pastu claim parti memasing adlh terbaik.

harmerz01

Teringat kata-kata Ustaz Zahazan dalam tafsir jam 6.30 pagi tadi,
3 perkara yang akan kita tempuhi
1. Benda kita suka buat, kita dilupakan.
2. Benda yang kita kadang suka dan kadang2 tak berapa suka, sikit saja ingatkan kita.
3. Benda yang kita meluat nak buat, sentiasa mengenangkan kita.

Apakah benda-benda itu?
Jawabnya
1. Harta
2. Keluarga
3. Amalan

atira

Reply 87# RedDevils


    mengumpat M5 kah?

sugar_rose

THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin

Whenever there are any news items regarding corruption or wrongdoings by Pakatan Rakyat people, the normal response from readers would be: what about those done by Umno people? What about NFC? What about the Scorpene submarines? What about Dr Mahathir? What about Najib? Etc….

Well, what about them? Have these scandals not already been revealed? Have the documents not already been exposed? The fact that you know about these scandals is because they have been revealed. So what more do you want revealed?

This is the typical Pakatan Rakyat response, in particular from the Chinese DAP supporters. And this is why Pakatan Rakyat is losing a bit of Malay support -- that from the middle ground, although PAS still has good support from the Malay heartland. Malays are beginning to see the opposition spin take on racial overtones.

For example, Pakatan Rakyat leaders, in particular those from the DAP, like to whack people like Tajuddin Ramli, Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary, Daim Zainuddin, Dr Mahathir’s children, and whatnot. Granted these are Umno cronies. In fact, they are Umno nominees and we find out later that they are actually fronting for Umno. But why single them out for attack?

For every Umno crony there are dozens of Chinese corporate personalities who make money through their Barisan Nasional connections. Name me a Chinese tycoon and I will show you their links to Barisan Nasional. From the time of the first Prime Minister, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Chinese businessmen have used their political connections to make money.

But the opposition focuses their attacks on the Malays (or pseudo-Malays like Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary). The Chinese, who do the same as these Malays, or worse, are spared these attacks.

Do you know that there is one Chinese Yang Berhormat from Johor (Barisan Nasional YB, of course) whose brother is the head of the Chinese underworld that controls the prostitution, drugs, gambling and loan shark syndicate? Why is Pakatan Rakyat not attacking him when it has already been revealed that he even controls the police force and can influence the transfers and promotions of police officers?

The answer is simple. It is because this particular underworld boss donates large sums of money to the opposition. This is one smart Chinaman. He gives money to Barisan Nasional. He gives money to the top police officers. And he also gives money to Pakatan Rakyat. Hence Pakatan Rakyat does not expose him or attack him.

Now do you know why I am so angry with Pakatan Rakyat? For five years since 2007 I have been attacking these people. I have exposed tons of documents and more than half a dozen Statutory Declarations signed by police officers and underworld people confirming this matter. I am talking about Statutory Declarations, which can result in you going to jail if you lie.

But does Pakatan Rakyat follow up on this issue? Does Pakatan Rakyat attack these people?

Pakatan Rakyat remains silent because these people who I have exposed and attacked donate large sums of money to the opposition. So those who tried to follow up on my exposes have been told to back off. And I know this because many very frustrated Pakatan Rakyat people have told me that ‘the top’ has told them to back off and not attack these people who are donating large sums of money to the opposition.

The same goes for all those Chinese developers, such as those in Selangor, who used to donate large sums of money to Khir Toyo. These Chinese developers used to bribe Khir Toyo (in fact, they still give money to Umno). So we attack Khir Toyo. I have no problems with that. But why just attack Khir Toyo? Why not also attack the Chinese developers who used to bribe Khir Toyo?

Again, the answer is very simple: because those Chinese developers who used to bribe Khir Toyo are now donating money to the opposition, which is now the Pakatan Rakyat Selangor State Government.

Hence we are seeing Pakatan Rakyat raise issues concerning the corrupt Malay businessmen such as Tajuddin Ramli, Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary, Daim Zainuddin, Dr Mahathir’s children, etc. But no one is whacking the corrupt Chinese businessmen who are bribing the Malay politicians from Barisan Nasional. And this is because these people are now donating money to Pakatan Rakyat.

Do you know what the Malays are saying? They are saying that when Malays get rich the Chinese opposition leaders attack them and call them crooks, robbers, cronies of Umno, and whatnot. They resent it when the Malays get rich. But it is okay when the Chinese get rich. The Chinese businessmen are not crooks, robbers, cronies of politicians, etc. They are honest businessmen who got rich because they are clever and not because they are corrupt.

Do you know that some Pakatan Rakyat supporters even praise these corrupt Chinese businessmen and call them pragmatic and smart Chinaman? They say that the Chinese have survival instinct and know how to play both sides of the political fence. They argue that 5,000 years of Chinese civilisation has taught the Chinese how to survive.

Yes, corrupt Chinese businessmen are smart, pragmatic, have learned from 5,000 years of Chinese civilisation how to survive and play both sides of the political fence, etc. Corrupt Malay businessmen are crooks, robbers, Umno cronies and nominees, etc., who must be exposed and arrested and sent to jail if Pakatan Rakyat takes over the Federal government.

Do not underestimate the Malays. Not all Malays are stupid and cannot think. They may keep quiet and not rant and rave like those Chinese readers who post comments in Malaysia Today. But this does not mean the Malays are not capable of thinking and are not analysing what is going on.

Kalau Melayu kaya, jadi isu, the Malays are saying. Kalau Cina kaya, takpe, takde isu.

The same applies to those who take a stand. When Vell Paari of MIC expresses support for S. Ambiga we praise him (READ HERE). But is he not going against his party stand by expressing support for Ambiga? Why are we praising him? We should whack him for not toeing the party line. That is what we would do if it were a Pakatan Rakyat leader who makes a statement contrary to the party stand.

When Pakatan Rakyat people leave the opposition and become independent YBs or join Barisan Nasional we call them frogs, turncoats, traitors, etc., and say that they have been bought by Umno off. But we welcome Barisan Nasional people who leave their party to join or support the opposition. They are not frogs, turncoats or traitors. They have not been bought off by Anwar Ibrahim. They are true patriots who left Barisan Nasional to support or join the opposition because they have seen the light.

Why don’t we also whack Barisan Nasional people who support or join the opposition and call them frogs, turncoats or traitors and say that they have been bought off by Anwar Ibrahim? This says a lot about the attitude of Pakatan Rakyat supporters.

Anyway, look at the photographs below, which I lifted from Harakah. The first photograph is of the Kelantan Menteri Besar and the second of the Kedah Menteri Besar, both PAS leaders, having a haircut. Can you see where they go to have their haircut? And is this not an example of the simple lifestyle of PAS leaders?

The third photograph is of the Kelantan Menteri Besar’s house. He has been Menteri Besar for 22 years and yet he still stays in this simple house and not in the official government house.

Now look at the last four photographs. This is the home of an Umno leader from Kedah who now condemns Umno and supports the opposition. So now we sing his praises because he supports the opposition.

Are we concerned about how he made so much money to be able to afford such a home? That does not matter. What matters is that he now supports the opposition. Hence what he may have done in the past when he was a Cabinet Minister from Umno no longer matters to us.

That is the way the opposition supporters think. We apply one standard for Chinese businessmen and another for Malay businessmen although all of them make money through their Barisan Nasional connections. And we apply one standard for opposition leaders and another for government leaders.

This is not about doing the right thing. This is about closing our eyes to those who support us and whacking those who do not support us.

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memang tepat article raja petra dengan topik ini.

sugar_rose

nak ke mana tu...nak merasmikan apa

cyberjaye

Bell

Petron adalah ex-Esso Malaysia. San Miguel take over. Ada berapa puluh ribu pekerja ex-esso terdiri dari org melayu Islam. So TT nak kata diorg nie makan rezeki haram sebab San Miguel ada jual arak?

pyropura

Petron adalah ex-Esso Malaysia. San Miguel take over. Ada berapa puluh ribu pekerja ex-esso terdiri  ...
Bell Post at 11-7-2012 17:28

kalau betul ada jual arak, pekerja2 mulayu islam yg keja dgn kompeni tu makan duit haram lah, takkan disebebkan ramai pukerja mulayu/islam tuhan bagi exemption supaya  hasil arak tu jadi halel....

kasibiman

Apa punya bodo. Dia keje dgn kompeni minyak.

Kejadahnya datang dia makan duit haram. Tolol takbleh nak diajar tol

FaithNoMore

Izinkan saya beri pandangan saya, based on ilmu seciput yg saya ada ini. Kalau salah, sila be ...
RedDevils Post at 11-7-2012 11:42

   


Credit +5 good info.

farfar

Petron adalah ex-Esso Malaysia. San Miguel take over. Ada berapa puluh ribu pekerja ex-esso terdiri  ...
Bell Post at 11-7-2012 17:28

Tak sampai puluh ribu. A few hundreds je. Aku tak nak komen pasal duit gaji yang diorang dapat tu halal ke haram ke syubhah. To me, benda tu more to syubhah tapi aku tak arif dalam hal ni.

Asalnya Petron ni was owned by Phillipine National Oil Company (PNOC) and Saudi Aramco (yes, that saudi aramco). Tapi saudi aramco jual their share to ashmore group then lepas tu bertukar tangan to San Miguel Corp (SMC). So Petron is just another affiliates of SMC. When it's an affiliates, your money and cash flow lies within the affiliates je..at least this is what practiced within major oil and gas companies la. Untung bersih after tolak cash flow, tax & royalties baru dapat dekat company and share holders. Sbb tu aku rasa hukum more to syubhah sebab aku tak sure business model SMC macam mana. If it is like what I've just mentioned, I don't think there's an issue because the money is separated.

As for how Petron cut a deal with MAS, dulu ExxonMobil yang ada deal supply petrol to MAS. Since Petron took over the downstream business of ExxonMobil last year, I guess the deal is just a continuation/transition je kot. So aku rasa tak timbul anak mahathir bolot semua harta. As much as I loathe Mahathir in the past, I think dia dan anak2 dia bijak amik peluang, tak kisahlah if it means that the opportunities came easy for them. Masa mula2 SMC nak amik alih Esso's downstream business dulu pun kecoh konon anak mahathir rasuah orang esso whatever. All I can say, semua benda tu tak betul. The company fought fairly and they offered Esso the best deal. Knowing Esso who's so uptight with integrity, controls and audit, they wouldn't do such thing.

versys

cerita banyak pon tak guna.. sebenarnya boikot Petron bukan pasal arak ke apa .. tapi pasal anak che det punya.. dasar pencacai politaik..   jauh giler pusing nak cari alasan..

AHMADVW

ok selagi xmemabukan- geng leman brandi ttwngsa