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Ten Reasons Why Muhammad Was a False Prophet?
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sapa yang benar yang akan menang pada akhir usia dunia............ |
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topik ni saja je dicreatekan utk provoke org. |
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pompankabaret posted on 3-3-2013 08:08 PM 
menang?? kenapa orang2 muslim asyik nak menang? mcm sulu dan lahad datu??? asyik
not an issue who win or lost...
this issue about the truth and false
Ko copy paste 10 poin (yg tak ada bukti / rujukkan) dan persoalkan ttg kerasulan Nabi Muhammad(saw)? Agak2 mana bukti ko? Setakat copy paste penulisan yg tak ada bukti senang aje. Sapa2 boleh buat. Kita bincang poin2 yg ko copy paste (2 dulu) :
1. No extraordinary natural signs before birth of Muhammad, or predictions from past religious characters about arrival of Muhammad to save the world.
2. Islam did not exist at the time Muhammad was born. He was born to an idolater family and that’s what he followed all his childhood and teenage. That means, Muhammad, born as a Qafir (Infidel), spent 70% of his life as a proud infidel before he invented Islam.
(1) What signs or perdictions are you specifically looking for? Can you provide examples? This is a very vague statement
(2) Islam comes from the root word 'salema' and in religious context - submission to Allah (God in your case). With that , what makes you think Islam did not exist before Prophet Muhammad(saw)? It doesn't matter if Prophet Muhammad(saw) was born a so called 'non believer'. For example Prophet Ibraheem(as) , Prophet Moosa(as) were called to prophethood later part of their lives like Prophet Muhammad(saw). Can you provide the historical reference that Prophet Muhammad(saw) or any Prophet of Allah worshiped idols prior to their prophethood?
Let see what your answers are. Jawab dgn bukti / rujukkan ye.
Sila nyatakan ugama ko. Senang nak bercerita kalau dah tau ugama ko tu.
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sam1528 posted on 3-3-2013 09:15 PM
Ko copy paste 10 poin (yg tak ada bukti / rujukkan) dan persoalkan ttg kerasulan Nabi Muhammad(saw ...
thankie ...sweetiee...u so kind to explain...I was browersing thru...it catches my eyes...
it link and the author....u mind explaining to the author of that link page???muaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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cmf_BeachBoys posted on 1-3-2013 11:33 PM
aku tolong post artikel penuh ..........
Islam tak perlu ditumpaskan oleh entity lain selain dari ajaran Islam sendiri, semua mamusia yang berakal dan berhati nurani sudah meninggalkan Islam dan menjadi ex-muslim, eg; Sam Solomon, Mosab Hassan Yousef, Ali Sina dan banyak lagi......
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“Islam is not simply a religion. Islam is a socio-political system. It is a socio-political, socio-religious, socio-economic, socio-educational, socio-judicial, legislatic, militaristic system cloaked in, garbed in religious terminology. Islam has always been about conversion by force. When Islam came out from Arabia, it did not go out with missionaries peacefully talking to their neighbors and saying “here is what our prophet Mohamed has come with and so on and so forth. No. There were hordes of assassins who marched into the surrounding world and subjugated them by force. Islam is a system. And wherever there is a Muslim community there will be a sharia. And wherever there is a sharia there is an Islamification of the territory and ultimately of that nation.“
Quote ex-Muslim Sam Solomon, Islamic scholar and jurist was arrested, imprisoned, sentenced to death, and exiled from his homeland. http://www.barenakedislam.com/20 ... -from-his-homeland/ |
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pompankabaret posted on 3-3-2013 11:18 PM
thankie ...sweetiee...u so kind to explain...I was browersing thru...it catches my eyes...
it link and the author....u mind explaining to the author of that link page???muaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Ha ha , another one of those 'konar konar' characters.
You appealed to the argument (post#1). Don't you think the onus is on you to provide the evidence? So .... where is your evidence? Noting .... as usual
This might be interesting for you. The 'olde fairy tales' of christians being harassed and tortured in the early days of christianity has been challenged and in all likelyhood , its just a hoax. The book The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom by Prof Candida Moss of Notre Dame University
In The Myth of Persecution, Candida Moss, a leading expert on early Christianity, reveals how the early church exaggerated, invented, and forged stories of Christian martyrs and how the dangerous legacy of a martyrdom complex is employed today to silence dissent and galvanize a new generation of culture warriors.
According to cherished church tradition and popular belief, before the Emperor Constantine made Christianity legal in the fourth century, early Christians were systematically persecuted by a brutal Roman Empire intent on their destruction. As the story goes, vast numbers of believers were thrown to the lions, tortured, or burned alive because they refused to renounce Christ. These saints, Christianity’s inspirational heroes, are still venerated today.
Moss, however, exposes that the “Age of Martyrs” is a fiction—there was no sustained 300-year-long effort by the Romans to persecute Christians. Instead, these stories were pious exaggerations; highly stylized rewritings of Jewish, Greek, and Roman noble death traditions; and even forgeries designed to marginalize heretics, inspire the faithful, and fund churches.
The traditional story of persecution is still taught in Sunday school classes, celebrated in sermons, and employed by church leaders, politicians, and media pundits who insist that Christians were—and always will be—persecuted by a hostile, secular world. Moss urges modern Christians to abandon the conspiratorial assumption that the world is out to get Christians and, rather, embrace the consolation, moral instruction, and spiritual guidance that these martyrdom stories provide.
Ha ha .... this is an embarrassment. Church 'takkiya' or 'konar konar'?
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One usual anti-christ cum hard core muslim here again is trying very hard to discredit Christianity by presenting the fallacy that only appeal to retrograde human being aka muslim....any literate earthlings who know how to google the net will surely snicker in disdain.
Persecution of Christians is a historical fact, one don't have to be history professor to know that there were at least ten major persecution of Christians in early church history namely;
1. Persecution under Nero (c. 64-68).
2. Perrsecution under Domitian (r. 81-96).
3. Persecution under Trajan (112-117).
4. Persecution under Marcus Aurelius (r. 161-180). Martyrdom of Polycarp.
5.Persecution under Septimus Severus (202-210). Martyrdom of Perpetua.
6.Persecution under Decius (250-251).
7.Persecution under Valerian (257-59).
8.Persecution under Maximinus the Thracian (235-38).
9.Persecution under Aurelian (r. 270–275).
10.Severe persecution under Diocletian and Galerius (303-324).
What that xenophobic mind fails to understand is that Prof Candida R Moss, who's a New Testament scholar at Notre Dame University, he is free to express his theory and views on history of martyrdom in Christianity even though there are countless more reputable New Testament theologians out there who are not agreeable with him.
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wkk5159 posted on 4-3-2013 04:39 PM
One usual anti-christ cum hard core muslim here again is trying very hard to discredit Christianity by presenting the fallacy that only appeal to retrograde human being aka muslim....any literate earthlings who know how to google the net will surely snicker in disdain.
Persecution of Christians is a historical fact, one don't have to be history professor to know that there were at least ten major persecution of Christians in early church history namely;
1. Persecution under Nero (c. 64-68).
2. Perrsecution under Domitian (r. 81-96).
3. Persecution under Trajan (112-117).
4. Persecution under Marcus Aurelius (r. 161-180). Martyrdom of Polycarp.
5.Persecution under Septimus Severus (202-210). Martyrdom of Perpetua.
6.Persecution under Decius (250-251).
7.Persecution under Valerian (257-59).
8.Persecution under Maximinus the Thracian (235-38).
9.Persecution under Aurelian (r. 270–275).
10.Severe persecution under Diocletian and Galerius (303-324).
What that xenophobic mind fails to understand is that Prof Candida R Moss, who's a New Testament scholar at Notre Dame University, he is free to express his theory and views on history of martyrdom in Christianity even though there are countless more reputable New Testament theologians out there who are not agreeable with him.
Whoops , hopefully you won't spam this thread when you go ballistics. Ha ha
Most of the so called historical records of the so called 'persecution of christians' stems from the early church writings. On the Roman side , there is very little historical / archaeological evidence for the widespread persecution of christians.
In fact in the bible , Pilate admitted that bibical Jesus did no wrong , joh19:4
Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews gathered there, “Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him
The council of Nicea (~ CE325) was chaired by the pagan emperor Constantine. If Christians were persecuted , he wouldn't even chaired the said council. The council was called by him to address the infighting between christians on theological issues (ie. was jesus God ... etc etc) that was tearing his empire apart. This implies that before and at that time , christians were actually fighting among themselves over theological issues.
The Myth of Persecution - How early Christians invented a story of Martyrdom
In 64CE a great fire ravaged Rome , devastating the city in a mere five days. The emperor Nero , who may well have been responsible for starting the fire himself , used the Christians as scapegoats for the disaster. (pg 6)
..Very few Christians died , and when they did , they were often executed for what we in the modern world would call political reasons. There is a difference between persecution and prosecution .....
.....it may be unfortunate , it maybe unfair , but it is not persecution and it is very far from the myth of how Christians were treated by the Romans (pg 14-15)
..Where we do have evidence for persecution , in the middle of the third century , it is not clear that the Romans were specifically targeting Christians at all. Even the so called Decian persecution in 250CE was about political uniformity , not religious persecution.... Before Decius , the prosecution of Christians was occasional and prompted by local officials , petty jealousies and regional concerns. The Christians saw themselves as persecuted and interpreted prosecution in this was was understandable , but it does not mean that the Romans were persecuting them. (pg 15)
Then there are stories about christian martyrs ... handed down from generation to generation and accepted as authentic on the basis of tradition. The vast majority of these stories , however , were written long after the event they purport to describe.... but almost everyone of these stories is legendary (pg 15-16)
Scholars of early Christianity agree that there is very little evidence for the persecution of Christians .... These stories describe the death of Christianity's oldest and most beloved saints : the elderly bishop Polycarp , the young mothers Perpetua and Felicity , the teacher Ptolemy , the philosopher Justin Martyr , the martyrs of Scillium and the brave members of the churches of Lyons and Vienne in ancient Gaul ... When we look closely at these stories , however , it becomes clear that they have been significantly edited and changed. They refer to theological ideas that didn't exist in the period described in the stories and contain elements borrowed from other ancient sources. (pg 16-17)
The problem you have with these so called martyrdom is that these stories were written long after the event. What is the mechanism you apply to test or ensure that the recording is authentic? None .....
Much of the middle section of “The Myth of Persecution” is taken up with a close reading of the six “so-called authentic accounts” of the church’s first martyrs. They include Polycarp, a bishop in Smyrna during the second century who was burned at the stake, and Saint Perpetua, a well-born young mother executed in the arena at Carthage with her slave, Felicity, at the beginning of the third century. Moss carefully points out the inconsistencies between these tales and what we know about Roman society, the digs at heresies that didn’t even exist when the martyrs were killed and the references to martyrdom traditions that had yet to be established. There’s surely some kernel of truth to these stories, she explains, as well as to the first substantive history of the church written in 311 by a Palestinian named Eusebius. It’s just that it’s impossible to sort the truth from the colorful inventions, the ax-grinding and the attempts to reinforce the orthodoxies of a later age.
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Appears that you are in denial , hanging on to some 'olde fairy tales' written by people who had the agenda to reinforce their own version of orthodoxy. Ha ha .... poor you ....
Put it this way. Your own bible have been edited and changed by the early church. Ha ha , editing and changing church history would be nothing in comparison .... yes?
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"The council of Nicea (~ CE325) was chaired by the pagan emperor Constantine. If Christians were persecuted , he wouldn't even chaired the said council. The council was called by him to address the infighting between christians on theological issues (ie. was jesus God ... etc etc) that was tearing his empire apart. This implies that before and at that time , christians were actually fighting among themselves over theological issues."
Get your basic historical fact right before embarrassing yourself here, emperor Constantine had embraced Christianity in AD312. So when he chaired the council of Nicea in AD325, it was only normal for him to address the theological issues pertaining to Christianity together with elders from the churches.
"The problem you have with these so called martyrdom is that these stories were written long after the event. What is the mechanism you apply to test or ensure that the recording is authentic? None ..... "
You definitely not a scholar and you are prejudicially selective when it come to factual evidences. There were so many historical record on persecution of Christian, some were recorded soon after the event and some were recorded later after the event. But do all historical events if recorded long after the event will be less creditable ??? Let's just see a excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians;
Persecution of Christians can be traced historically from the time of Jesus in the first century to the present time.[1] Early Christians were persecuted for their faith at the hands of both Jews (Pharisees)from whose religion Christianity arose and the Roman Empire which controlled much of the land across which early Christianity was distributed. Early in the fourth century, the religion was legalized by the Edict of Milan, and it eventually became the State church of the Roman Empire. By no means was that the end of the persecution.
In the 20th century, Christians have been persecuted by various groups, and by atheistic states such as the USSR and North Korea. The Christian missionary organisation Open Doors (UK) estimates 100 million Christians face persecution, particularly in Muslim-dominated countries such as Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.[3][4] They also face persecution in atheistic states like North Korea in which there is no religious freedom.[5] A recent study, cited by the Vatican, reported that 75 out of every 100 people killed due to religious hatred were Christian.[6][7] |
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wkk5159 posted on 5-3-2013 10:08 AM
Get your basic historical fact right before embarrassing yourself here, emperor Constantine had embraced Christianity in AD312. So when he chaired the council of Nicea in AD325, it was only normal for him to address the theological issues pertaining to Christianity together with elders from the churches.
Ha ha , ignorant christians like you always argue that Constantine was already a christian at the council of Nicea. Since you have this affinity for the wikipedia (sub topic : Sickness and Death):
...he realized that he was dying. Seeking purification, he became a catechumen, and attempted a return to Constantinople, making it only as far as a suburb of Nicomedia.[241] He summoned the bishops, and told them of his hope to be baptized in the River Jordan, where Christ was written to have been baptized. He requested the baptism right away, promising to live a more Christian life should he live through his illness. The bishops, Eusebius records, "performed the sacred ceremonies according to custom"...
He was baptized at his deathbed. Therefore he became christian just before he died. Appears that you are embarrassed the Council of Nicea was chaired by a pagan. That is why you 'die die' try to argue on the indefensible.
You definitely not a scholar and you are prejudicially selective when it come to factual evidences. There were so many historical record on persecution of Christian, some were recorded soon after the event and some were recorded later after the event. But do all historical events if recorded long after the event will be less creditable ??? Let's just see a excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians;
Persecution of Christians can be traced historically from the time of Jesus in the first century to the present time.[1] Early Christians were persecuted for their faith at the hands of both Jews (Pharisees)from whose religion Christianity arose and the Roman Empire which controlled much of the land across which early Christianity was distributed. Early in the fourth century, the religion was legalized by the Edict of Milan, and it eventually became the State church of the Roman Empire. By no means was that the end of the persecution.
In the 20th century, Christians have been persecuted by various groups, and by atheistic states such as the USSR and North Korea. The Christian missionary organisation Open Doors (UK) estimates 100 million Christians face persecution, particularly in Muslim-dominated countries such as Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.[3][4] They also face persecution in atheistic states like North Korea in which there is no religious freedom.[5] A recent study, cited by the Vatican, reported that 75 out of every 100 people killed due to religious hatred were Christian.[6][7]
For sure I am not a scholar but I refer to works of scholars. The buzzing question here is that the so called persecution of early christians comes only from church recordings and it is years after the fact (could be by people who were not even eye witnesses). How do you ascertain that such records are authentic? This is the exact question that Prof Moss asked. So far , no answers and there will never be any.
Your wiki reference ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians; ) which I copy paste :
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What reference is this?
However if you refer to the wiki without (;) at the end , the index of reference of [1] , [3] , [4] , [5] , [6] , [7]
1. ^ Pilli, Toivo. "Christians as Citizens of a Persecuting State". Journal of European Baptist Studies. September 1, 2006.
3. ^ Open Doors: The worst 50 countries for persecution of Christians
4. Open Doors: Weltverfolgungsindex 2012, p. 2
5. ^ 'Open Doors' World Watch List, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung 23 January 2010. Jonathan Fox and Shmuel Sandler, Separation of Religion and State in the Twenty-First Century: Comparing the Middle East and Western Democracies, 2005, The City University of New York. (dead link)
6. ^ Aid to the Church in Need, Religious Freedom in the World – Report 2010; Conference Persecution of Christians
7. ^ "Statement by the Holy See at the 16th Ordinary Session of the Human Rights Council on Religious Freedom". Vatican.va. Retrieved 29 June 2011.
Again your data is from ' The Christian missionary organisation Open Doors (UK)' and / or other christian organizations. I would say its bias reporting as there is no independent verification of the reports. This is exactly the problem that Prof Moss stated. Such records are only from the church recordings without independent verification. Appears that christians like you are still into this 'oooh we are a persecuted lot' whereas in reality its just a myth.
Hmm , you have not displayed any form of critical thinking. You are so desperate to defend christianity that you can't even discriminate between fact and fiction.
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Typical muslim reply within my expectation. A pagan chairing the council of Nicea ??? In a narrow perspective, you might be correct, but it's only in the eyes of lay people who struggle to understand anything which is beyond the level of fairy tale like Cinderella. Everybody know that Constantine was only baptized shortly before his death but between AD312 and AD337, who is responsible for gradual outlawing of paganism in Rome Empire ?? Almost everyone with wisdom knows that after the battle of Milvian Bridge in AD312, he was as good as a converted Christian minus baptism.
I think muslim like you should consume pork to acquire that silky lard to lubricate your rigid and zombie-like brain in order to better comprehend the essence of whatever article presented to you.... 
I myself for example is not baptized yet but does it make me any less knowledgeable than the billions of baptized Christian out there ?? |
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wkk5159 posted on 5-3-2013 09:16 PM
Typical muslim reply within my expectation. A pagan chairing the council of Nicea ??? In a narrow perspective, you might be correct, but it's only in the eyes of lay people who struggle to understand anything which is beyond the level of fairy tale like Cinderella. Everybody know that Constantine was only baptized shortly before his death but between AD312 and AD337, who is responsible for gradual outlawing of paganism in Rome Empire ?? Almost everyone with wisdom knows that after the battle of Milvian Bridge in AD312, he was as good as a converted Christian minus baptism.
I think muslim like you should consume pork to acquire that silky lard to lubricate your rigid and zombie-like brain in order to better comprehend the essence of whatever article presented to you.... 
I myself for example is not baptized yet but does it make me any less knowledgeable than the billions of baptized Christian out there ??
In a narrow perspective I am correct? Too bad for you , I am correct in all perspective. You don't even know that Constantine was a pagan when he chaired the council of Nicea.
No , he only had this so called visions at the said battle. This is again dubious as christians like you have this tendency to appeal to the supernatural. He became a catechumen only when he knew he was dying.
It is very clear you got your facts horribly wrong and being a sneaky person , you are trying your best at damage control. You 'die die' claim Constantine was a christian at the council Nicea. Bzzzzt! Wrong!
Your knowledge compared to the other christians is not my concern. However your latest bungle about Constantine is a problem. It becomes worse as you are too proud to admit your mistake but try to word twist your way out. It exposes your not so honest character.
I suggest you excercise better comprehension in the articles you read. Maybe consuming less pork (which is prohibited in the bible) might help. Ha ha ....
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A boast is not a toast, but it jumps higher...up-up and away! 
And well done as well... |
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Seems like some poor soul here have difficulties in comprehending what i wrote and let alone some in depth article on history. Does he has problem with English language or simply just another episode of pseudodyslexia ?
Christians are prohibited to eat pork ??? Hehehe...this is prime example of a "syok sendiri " statement from a half-cooked charlatan aka muslim bible scholar. Our dear fellow forumer Sparrow had spent her precious times explaining to this impostor of bible scholar in the previous thread and i guess in future she better save her energy and time to evangelize the right audience....
As usual, there are plenty of familiar accusations like; "you die die "...damage control lah....I think we should do away from the fact that whether Constantine was still a pagan or not after the battle of Milvian Bridge in AD312, the smart forumers here will be able to tell and definitely not something from a muslim. Just compare the answering islam website like faithfreedom.org and muslim website like faithfreedom.com, one will be able to tell who is honest and dishonest and more importantly the general standard of articles posted by worldwide hardcore and fundamental muslims ( * faithfreedom.com is a muslim desperate answer to faithfreedom.org in their dire attempt to cover up the hideous facts about Islam and they even go as far to a extend of counterfeiting the name of the website faithfreedom, only difference is com and org with hope of conning naive mind to visit their site....truly pathetic ! The last time i checked faithfreedom.com it has ceased to exist and only info i got was faithfreedom.com is ranked number 5,481,161 in the world according to the Alexa Traffic Rank vs faithfreedom.org which is ranked among the top 35,000 website.... )
Why accuse a pagan chairing the council of Nicea when there are more elements of pagans in Islam ??? I just take one prime example; Perhaps the biggest superstition (which has caused untold monetary expense and loss of life to Muslims) is that believers need to travel to Mecca and circle a meteorite seven times. This practice was borrowed directly from the Arab pagans, which even Muhammad's successors found odd (Muslim 2915).
Of the idols worshipped by the pagans at Mecca in Muhammad's time, only the black rock was allowed to remain, since it was holy to his Quraish tribe.
So, why accusing others of having receding hair line when you are bald ???  Last edited by wkk5159 on 6-3-2013 10:46 AM
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Wow, that sidekick aka Dzurqadoink the clown never stop entertaining this website with zoonotic joke.... |
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wkk5159 posted on 6-3-2013 10:20 AM
Seems like some poor soul here have difficulties in comprehending what i wrote and let alone some in some in depth article on history. Does he has problem with English language or simply just another episode of pseudodyslexia ?
Christians are prohibited to eat pork ??? Hehehe...this is prime example of a "syok sendiri " statement from a half-cooked charlatan aka muslim bible scholar. Our dear fellow forumer Sparrow had spent her precious times explaining to this impostor of bible scholar in the previous thread and i guess in future she better save her energy and time to evangelize the right audience....
As usual, there are plenty of familiar accusations like; "you die die "...damage control lah....I think we should do away from the fact that whether Constantine was still a pagan or not after the battle of Milvian Bridge in AD312, the smart forumers here will be able to tell and definitely not something from a muslim. Just compare the answering islam website like faithfreedom.org and muslim website like faithfreedom.com, one will be able to tell who is honest and dishonest and more importantly the general standard of articles posted by worldwide hardcore and fundamental muslims ( * faithfreedom.com is a muslim desperate answer to faithfreedom.org in their dire attempt to cover up the hideous facts about Islam and they even go as far to a extend of counterfeiting the name of the website faithfreedom, only difference is com and org with hope of conning naive mind to visit their site....truly pathetic ! The last time i checked faithfreedom.com it has ceased to exist and only info i got was faithfreedom.com is ranked number 5,481,161 in the world according to the Alexa Traffic Rank vs faithfreedom.org which is ranked among the top 35,000 website.... )
Why accuse a pagan chairing the council of Nicea when there are more elements of pagans in Islam ??? I just take one prime example; Perhaps the biggest superstition (which has caused untold monetary expense and loss of life to Muslims) is that believers need to travel to Mecca and circle a meteorite seven times. This practice was borrowed directly from the Arab pagans, which even Muhammad's successors found odd (Muslim 2915).
Of the idols worshipped by the pagans at Mecca in Muhammad's time, only the black rock was allowed to remain, since it was holy to his Quraish tribe.
So, why accusing others of having receding hair line when you are bald ??? 
Ha ha , just look at yourself. You have nothing factual to refute me. This shows that you don't even know your own christian history. You don't even understand what you read. Yet you 'die die' claim Constantine was a christian when he chaired the council of Nicea but historical facts state otherwise.
You don't even know that the bible prohibit the consumption of pork. Now you are throwing red herrings by side tracking to the faith freedom site. Until now you cannot even refute their arguments. Hmm, the best part , the arguments from Ali Sina's faith freedom forum refuted you in your last argument. Ha ha , your buddy 'sparrow' failed when asked for the pertinent biblical verses of his / her arguments. Too bad .... so sad
Ha ha , now its spending money to go to Mecca? Hmm , as we know it , christians also make pilgrimage to Jerusalem and Catholics also to Lourdes. The jews to the wailing wall. Ha ha , you should know these things before you comment as it has backfired on you. Are you now calling these christians / jews by your own words 'biggest superstitions' and 'borrowed from pagan traditions'?
You have already been shaven bald by me. Yet you come back for more ... ha ha - this pathetic. I suggest you take your mindless ranting elsewhere.
ps. do argue and write coherently the next time .... try focusing on the argument instead of mindless diatribe
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Why so afraid to address your own pagan origin ?? Too embarrassing is it ?? Why evading the truth ?
What backfire ? Pilgrimage in Christianity ?? I don't even have to answer that as your answer in the above post is sufficient to become laughing stock for all knowledgeable forumers here.....Can't even tell the so called "pilgrimage" in some Christians and Catholics and personal preferences of some Christians ?? This is beyond pathetic....
Who's shaven by you ??? The last time i checked is your own scabby bald head which i suspected suffering from serious mental delusion and dementia.
I think you badly need a professional medical treatment.....
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wkk5159 posted on 6-3-2013 12:06 PM
Why so afraid to address your own pagan origin ?? Too embarrassing is it ?? Why evading the truth ?
What backfire ? Pilgrimage in Christianity ?? I don't even have to answer that as your answer in the above post is sufficient to become laughing stock for all knowledgeable forumers here.....Can't even tell the so called "pilgrimage" in some Christians and Catholics and personal preferences of some Christians ?? This is beyond pathetic....
Who's shaven by you ??? The last time i checked is your own scabby bald head which i suspected suffering from serious mental delusion and dementia.
I think you badly need a professional medical treatment.....
Ha ha , pagan origin of kaabah? Hmm , do explain just how going around the kaabah means its pagan in origin. Bear in mind , idolatry was introduced by Amr Luhayi ~ 450 yrs before Prophet Muhammad(saw). Before that was the monotheism of Prophet Ibraham(as). Lets see what 'facts' you can conjure.
Ha ha , you can't answer because you don't have any answer. You don't know that christians make pilgrimage to Jerusalem? You don't know that catholics make pilgrimage to Lourdes? What kind of 'celup' christian are you? Are these christians , in your own words - ''biggest superstitions' and 'borrowed from pagan traditions'? Oops , could it be that you are still not baptized therefore no 'holy spirit' in you? This is pathetic
Ha ha , you have been shaven and skinned by me. You don't even know your christian history. I am making a fool of you with so much ease. Pssst , what year did Constantine became christian?
Ha ha , it appears that its you who needs professional medical help. You've been slapped left and right but you still come back for more.
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