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Mahathir is right: Jews do rule the world

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Post time 4-12-2003 03:48 AM | Show all posts
read.... this cut&paste.



It was August 23 when it started -- a Friday -- an outbreak of Arab anti-Jewish violence in the Holy Land unprecedented at the time in its ferocity. It began when Haj Amin al-Husseini, mufti of Jerusalem, ally of the Nazis and mentor of the current PLO leader Yasser Arafat, falsely accused Jews of defiling and endangering local mosques, including al-Aqsa. The call went out to the Arab masses: "Itbakh al-Yahud!" -- "Slaughter the Jews!"

And so they did. For seven days in 1929, 19 years before the state of Israel was born, Arab mobs terrorized communities throughout the land of Israel, killing 133 Jews and injuring more than 300. Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Jaffa, and other parts of the country were the scenes of severe anti-Semitic attacks. The ancient city of Hebron, home to the Cave of the Patriarchs, suffered the worst violence. Sixty-seven Jews were killed by hundreds of their Arab neighbors in the space of one day -- the Jewish Sabbath. The homes where Jews thought they could find safety, including that of Eliezer Dan Slonim, the sole Jewish member of the Hebron Municipal Council and a friend to local Arab elders, became slaughterhouses. In Slonim's home alone, 22 people were murdered that day, including his wife and two young children. After the massacre, in a perverse inversion of morality, the British mandatory authorities exiled the Jewish survivors to Jerusalem, ending a 3,000-year-old Jewish presence in Hebron. That presence was only renewed in 1967, with the Israeli takeover of Judea and Samaria (the "West Bank" ).

But the 1929 pogroms were not the first incidence of Arab bloodletting in the land of Israel. In 1921, Arab gangs attacked Jews in Jaffa, Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish towns. Forty-seven Jews were killed and over 140 were wounded. The Haycraft Commission, appointed by the British government to investigate the events, concluded:


The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties... an already acute anti-Jewish feeling extended it into an anti-Jewish riot. A large part of the Muslim and Christian communities condoned it, although they did not encourage violence. While certain of the educated Arabs appear to have incited the mob... unfounded stories of provocation were believed and acted upon without any effort being made to verify them.


Yet, the same commission found, that the "fundamental cause" of the riots were the victims themselves:


...a feeling among the Arabs of discontent with, and hostility to, the Jews, due to political and economic causes, and connected with Jewish immigration, and with their conception of Zionist policy as derived from Jewish exponents....

Similarly, the decade following the massacres of 1929 also saw attacks on Jewish towns in f Israel. From 1936 through the beginning of 1939 Arab gangs roamed the country, killing Jews where they could. At the time, Saudi Arabian king Ibn Saud informed a British colonel, H. R. P. Dickson:


Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet... for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty.


That three-year "insurrection" took the lives of 415 Jews. The Arab Higher Committee, headed by the Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, led the campaign of terrorism yet again.

It behooves friends of the truth to recall the foregoing history when Arab spokesmen and PLO apologists attempt to "contextualize" terrorism against Jews in Israel by blaming it on "the Israeli occupation of 1967." Such violence did not start in 1967, or even upon Israel's founding in 1948; it was never limited to any geographical boundaries; and its source is not political. As a Friday-sermon broadcast on Palestinian Authority television last year declared, "blessings to he who shot a bullet into the head of a Jew... the enemies of Allah, the cursed nation in the Koran, whom the Koran describes as monkeys and pigs, worshippers of the calf and idol worshippers." There was also a message for the future in the words of that PA-appointed cleric, "Allah shall make the Muslim rule over the Jew, we will blow them up in Hadera, we will blow them up in Tel-Aviv and in Netanya... We will enter Jerusalem as conquerors, and Jaffa as conquerors, and Haifa as conquerors and Ashkelon as conquerors..." Referring to a Hadith (a Muslim oral tradition attributed to Muhammad or his disciples), the preacher said that nature itself will come to assist the Muslims in their pursuit of the Jews "...until the Jew will hide behind the trees and stones and the tree and stone will say: 'Muslim! Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'"

It was a Friday -- September 29, 2000 -- when it started this time, too -- an outbreak of Arab anti-Jewish terrorism unprecedented in its unremitting ferocity. It began when PLO leaders loudly accused Jews of defiling and endangering local mosques, including al-Aqsa.

Is it any wonder that the call "Itbakh al-Yahud!" can still be heard in this land?


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Post time 4-12-2003 04:21 AM | Show all posts
Arafat's Billions
Nov. 9, 2003


(CBS) Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure his political survival, but a lot more is unaccounted for.


Jim Prince and a team of American accountants - hired by Arafat's own finance ministry - are combing through Arafat's books. Given what they've already uncovered, Arafat may be rethinking the decision. Lesley Stahl reports.

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"What is Mr. Arafat and the Palestinian Authority worth today?" asks accountant Jim Prince. "Who is controlling that money? Where is that money? How do we get it back?"

So far, Prince's team has determined that part of the Palestinian leader's wealth was in a secret portfolio worth close to $1 billion -- with investments in companies like a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, a Tunisian cell phone company and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

According to Fayyad, "There is corruption out there. There is abuse. There is impropriety, and that's what had to be fixed."

"Arafat for years would cry poor, saying, 'I can't pay the salaries, we're gonna have a disaster here, the Palestinian economy is going to collapse,'" says Indyk. "And we would all mouth those words: 'The Palestinian economy is going to collapse if we don't do something about this.' But at the same time, he's accumulating hundreds of millions of dollars."

    click here for full report by....CBS 60 MINUTE

His people are dying while his wife Suha, gets $100,000 a month from Arafat out of the Palestinian budget, and lives lavishly in Paris on this allowance.

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Post time 29-12-2003 04:49 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 1-1-2004 10:06 AM | Show all posts
HAPPY NEW YEAR FAITHHEALER3.  here we go agin  

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-2 05:06 AM:
An obvious HARDfact is the Jews are ruling Israel... and that negates your FAKE-HARDfacts.


thats right its HARDfact hapless pious terrorist cum rapists jews (not all) rule israel.  n its HARDfact that its thru the donkey grace of donkey un n thru callous lobbyin by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists that PALESTINIANS r forced to share their nation so that israel can exist.  n its HARDfacts that like it or not arab muslims rule all middle east cept israel  

Thats old history. HARD-reality is Jews rule Israel/Palestine...  and Jews are over 6,000,000 strong.


n how do hapless pious terrorist cum rapists jews/israelis/zionists become over 6000000 strong aginst 507,250 jews before 1948?  am waitin

I was only showing u what the muslim fanatics had done to the Jews. Thats history. Today, middle east don't belong to the Arabs. For one, US is holding the Arab nations balls. The Arabs can't do as they please. Secoundly, Jews are ruling ISRAEL...and not Arab.... thats HARDreality


o yes, middle east cept israel belong to the arabs most of whom r muslims.  n yup superdonkey us has the arabs by their balls as much as hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists have the world by their balls including urs n mine by proxy.  dont pretend u dunno

Thats history, todays HARDfact is Jews are majority in ISREAL... 6,000,000 strong.


repetitous or should me say spammin?  read me response above

The Jews were peaceful at first, the Arab muslims made them ruthless. Muslims only understand their language that is violence. Logic don't work.


liar.  hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews (not all) r never peaceful lot.  otherwise they would not have murdered jesus n cozin yahweh to curse 'em to be nomads.  even now they r slaughterin the world by proxy

Brutality against Jews by the freakin' Arab were duly paid back with interest. The Freakin barbaric Arab are disapointed that they cannot annihilate the Jews like Mohd did in Mecca and Medina. The evil deed of Mohd and his followers need to be paid back in full. Today the 6,000,000 plus strong Jews can call ISRAEL their HOMELAND.


yup, hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists can now call israel their homeland followin callous lobbyin n when donkey un forced the PALESTINIANS to share their nation so that israel can exist.  hence israel is born thru rapin n murderin not thru peaceful means.

The Arabs been raping the jews since Mohd lunacy mushroomed. The Arabs think the can do the same to the modern Jews and the freakin' Arabs found out the hard way. Anyway the elected Jews ruling the Arabs would be much much better than some Arab dictators.


back to me question agin - how many jews did the arabs rape against how many jews did the europeans rape?  am waitin

liar.  elected hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists never rule the arabs better than arab dictators.  in fact they do worst.  read

Cabinet Minister Bechor Shitrit confirms this official looting. He stated, “The army from Lydda alone had taken over 1,800 truckloads of property.”

David Ben-Gurion recorded in his diary entry for July 15, 1948: “The bitter question has arisen regarding acts of robbery and rape in the conquered towns. Soldiers from all the battalions robbed and stole.”

Yosef Lamm, a Member of the Knesset, officially admitted on November 22, 1949: “None of us behaved during the war in a way we might have expected the Jewish people to behave, either with regard to property or human life, and we should all be ashamed.”


Stupid Arabs didn't foresee the might of the Jewish abilities... the abilities of the Jews in convincing the US to provide weapons for self defence against the barbaric Arabs... who are bent on annihilating the Jews.


yup, the abilities as u call it by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists is equated with callous lobbyin + terrorism rapin democracy.  simple

n wot self defence is that when hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists build their berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN territories?  well?

n talkin bout annihilatin, how many PALESTINIANS did hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists have killed n how many hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionists did the PALESTINIANS have killed?  HARDfacts plz

Your cut&paste show what the Jews did to those who attacked Israel/Jews..that's after the 1948 war initiated by the stupid Arabs.  History have shown, the muslims did worse to their captives of war. Plundering, raping, slavery and murder is the trademark of Mohd's religion...which the Arabs follow. Today, the Arabs are impotent against the Jews. Look how the tides have changed.


n u know why the arabs/PALESTINIANS initiated the 1948 war?

n agin me question - how many jews did the arabs murder against how many jews did the europeans murder?  am waitin  :bg:

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Post time 1-1-2004 10:21 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-2 05:09 AM:
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Thats a valid assumption based on the lesson learn from history. Thats why humans have brain.. to think and anticipate the danger based on privious encounters.
With evil instruction written in their holy books, so-called Chistians like you and Muslims are after the Jews blood.


ur forked tongue on the loose agin.  ur talkin bout evil instructions in christians n muslims' bibles aginst jews.  n did u dare talk bout yahweh cursin the jews for their evil deeds?  HARDfact remains the jews r evil lot thats why they never find peace before, now, the future n hereafter.  trust me

In LUKE 16:23 & 24 the Bible says; "AND IN HELL HE LIFT UP HIS EYES, BEING IN TORMENTS, AND SEETH ABRAHAM AFAR OFF AND LAZARUS IN HIS BOSOM. AND HE CRIED AND SAID, FATHER ABRAHAM, HAVE MERCY ON ME, AND SEND LAZARUS, THAT HE MAY DIP THE TIP OF HIS FINGER IN WATER, AND COOL MY TONGUE; FOR I AM TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME." The Bible says in MARK 8:36, "FOR WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?"

what wot? Acting like DUMB&DUMBMER is not helping you. As of today, there is no established or recognised PALESTINE STATE... yet. The terrorist Arafat calling State of Palestine is a landless state.


right n wrong

right when u said PALESTINE is not recognized yet n hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r viciously makin sure it never gonna happen.  how?  simple.  by building 200 illegal jewish settlements in the occupied PALESTINIAN territories, now they wanna build illegal jewish settlements in golan heights, by rapin n terrorizin israeli PALESTINIANS making em refugees in the millions, by buildin berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN terrorities etc.  shame

wrong when u said PALESTINE is landless state.  can u guess wot exactly did donkey un divide so that israel can exist?  well?

LIAR there is no raping or genocide.. it only in you brain. What Jews are doing, is in defence against the MORON Arabs who what to annihilate the Jews.


how did hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists defend 'emselves from moron arabs?

go and check Hadith# 2687.


u dont believe in the bible right?  so why wanna me check it out?  why dont dare cut n paste 'ere?  forked tongue pagan

And SUPER OIL RICH billions dollars can't help the evil Arab's plot to anihillate the Jews. SHAME ON THE STUPID ARABS...and their supporters like you.


coz hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists have superdonkey bush by his balls n consequently the arabs n the world by their balls thru proxy.  simple

To keep MORONS like the stupid virgin-crazy sex-maniac suicide bombers ...AWAY.


why buildin berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN territories n not 6 kilo deep inside israel itself?  why?

ISRAEL don't discriminate like your friends the Arab nations do. All fleeing Jews are wellcomed.


u got that right.  all socalled fleein or imported jews r welcome at the expense of israeli PALESTINIANS.  is that wot u call luv thy neighbour as thyself?  read.  

Today there are approximately 5 million Palestinian refugees throughout the world. There are about 3.5 million Palestinian refugees registered with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). 33% live in 59 UNRWA refugee camps and 67% are scattered throughout various countries. There are approximately 1.5 million non-registered refugees scattered throughout the Arab world.

IDIOT. The fact are obvious. The malay are not bumiputra..but the orang asli are the bumiputra. The orang selat(Malays) are not the native of this land.kapish.


wheres the HARDproof that the malays r not natives?  where?

n d u think superdonkey american white r natives of america?  if the malays should get out of malaysia, should superdonkey american white get out of america too?  well?

LIAR. At first you said they are extinct, now you are trying to wiggle and waggle your way out. YOU ARE A SHAMELESS FORKED TONGUED LIAR. Do you know the meaning of extinct?


the dict says extinction means the act of makin extinct; total destruction or annihilation; the wipin out of a specie or race.  now can u guess which indian race that have become extinct?  

hence me question stands - is this wot u call alive n well?  respond intelligently plz.  no wiggle waggle  :bg:

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Military defeat, cultural pressure, confinement on reservations, forced cultural assimilation, the outlawing of native languages and culture, forced sterilizations, termination policies of the 50's and 60's, and (especially) slavery have had deleterious effects on Native Americans' mental and ultimately physical health. Contemporary problems include poverty, alcoholism, heart disease, and diabetes: see New World Syndrome.

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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-2 05:11 AM:
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If you behave like an idiot than I have call you as such. People in ancient times hardly keep any population ratio records. Even if they claim they do,they wwould exaggerate their claim.
The question.. is do you agree that KING DAVID once existed and called his land ISRAEL and there were Jews lived there? No need for unavailable stupid population ratio data.


me answer to ur question is yes, king david
ONCE (c me emphasis)
existed n call his land or nation israel.

BUTT (c me emphasis agin]
israel is overpowered by somebody else n eventually owned by nowadays PALESTINIANS.  

only thru callous lobbyin by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists n thru donkey un's forcin the PALESTINIANS to share their nation that israel is able to exist agin.  but hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r bloodthirsty lot; they wanna more of PALESTINIANS' lands.  n the rest is history.  get that into ur thick skull  

LIAR. LIAR. LIAR.
As of today, there is no recognized state or land called PALESTINE. Only ISRAEL exist and the rest of the land is either called occupied terroteries or disputed terroteries.


quit the frenzy.  
HARDfact remains israel exists today thru callous lobbyin by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists n thru donkey un's forcin the PALESTINIANS to share their nation so that israel can exist.

n hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r viciously out to stop the remainin PALESTINE from bein kept by native PALESTINIANS by buildin 200 illegal jewish settlements n buildin berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN terrorities.  did donkey un authorize these illegal jewish settlements n berlin wall?  well?

and Jews claim that those canaanites who were not killed were assimilitaed into Jewish group.


n eventually those canaanites n jews were assimilated into the PALESTINIAN group.  thats why PALESTINIANS r made up of majority muslims, then jews, christians etc.  admit that n u wouldnt feel like forked tongue pagan  

When the Jews conqured the land canaan, they established their Holyland.


n when the arabs eventually conquered the land canaan, they established PALESTINE.  thats why PALESTINIANS r made up of majority muslims, then jews, christians etc.  admit that n u wouldnt feel like forked tongue pagan

People always been migrating. So you must kill them? Morons.


if hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists imported emselves by the 1000s, d u expect the PALESTINIANS to stay submissive?  only forked tongue pagans think so.  thank god the PALESTINIANS can c thru hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' evil migration.  its proven in the 1967 war.  read

With U.S. weapons instead of Soviet ones, Israel blitzed, during 6 days in early June 1967, and seized all of the West Bank from Jordan, the Golan Heights from Syria, and the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt. At this moment the whole of historical Palestine came under the military control of Israel.

There continue to be other tragic consequences of the 1967 blitz war. Israel's policy of building colonial settlements on the West Bank and in Gaza has meant shameless confiscation of Palestinian lands, annexation of Jerusalem, the annexation of the Golan Heights, and the settling of over 100,000 Jews within annexed Jerusalem. Israel has confiscated precious water resources of the West Bank for its settlements, while prohibiting Palestinians from seeking desperately needed new water sources. Severe drought exists in Arab villages, compelling further exodus of Palestinian farmers. The occupation has caused serious economic dislocation and large-scale unemployment, while forcing the remainder to work for minimum wages in harsh conditions. And Israel found a captive market in the West Bank and Gaza for its manufactured goods, these areas becoming in effect "trading partners" of Israel.


As of today...NOW... ISRAEL is under the rule of the JEWS. and there are over 6,000,000 Jews there.


repetitious spammin agin.
how d hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists become 6000000 from 507,250 jews before 1948?  well?

Those killed Arabs/Palestian in ISRAEL land are mostly criminals...murderers.. terrorist who don't want peace. The muslims only understand violence... talking logic don't work... abit like you.


wheres the HARDproof that the killed arabs/PALESTINIANS in israel r criminals?

And how many Jews did you Christians murdered...And how many Jews did the muslim murdered. And How many did the Jew killed the Christians or the Muslims? No exact numbers does not mean it didn't happen. History shows that jews been discriminated based on some freakin' verse from the Bible or the Freakin' Quran


it did happen alright that muslims n christians have murdered 10s of 1000s of jews, maybe in millions over the centuries.  n the HARDproof is the christians murdered more jews than the muslims.  but u dont dare come up with such HARDproof right?

n theres also HARDproof that the jews r not altogether saintly.  thats why yahweh has cursed em to be nomads.  but u dont dare believe that right?  u only dare to be selective bout the bible.  forked tongue pagan

Thats a stupid answer. You can't kill people just because people migrate there.


nope, me answer is based on HARDfacts.  read.  
n how d american white migrate to america?  with the bible in their hands?  n how d native americans receive em?  with roasted wild boars?  knock knock is ur brain intact? ps JUKEBOXs no more MODERATOR  

Following the defeat of Turkey in World War I, Britain strengthened its power in Palestine. Massive immigrations of Jews from many countries raised the Jewish population in Palestine from about 50,000 buy the beginning of 1900 to approximately 300,000 before World War II.

The Palestinians staged a general strike in April 1936 protesting against this massive immigration of Jews which they saw as a danger threatening their rights.

The British, from their side, put forward a plan for the partition of Palestine into three states, a  Jewish one in the north,  another state for the Arabs in the south and a third section to remain under the British administration in the Jerusalem-Jaffa (Tel Aviv) corridor. The plan was categorically rejected by the Palestinians and lasted until 1939. London was forced to give the partition idea and set limits to the Jewish emigration to Palestine.

Britain submitted the whole to the newly-established United Nations in the aftermath of  World War II.

When the United Nations (UN) General Assembly approved in 1947 a new partition plan, 749,000 Arabs and 9,250 Jews lived in the territory where the proposed Arab state would be set up, while 497,000 Arabs and 498,000 Jews lived in the part which was to become the Jewish state.


Apart from HADITH#2687... to wed the "black eyed houris"
They are emotional stupids?
They are pawns of Arafat who want to be King Arafat?
The muslims full filling the Islamic teaching.... to rule over non-muslims?
The Jews are pigs and monkeys, who deverse to die?
The wealthy ulterior-motived Arabs promising to give huge amount of money to the parents of the would be stupid suicide bombers... parent forcing their own childrend to die for money?
They love to be blown to pieces?

whatever the excuse they give is no-good-reason to kill innocent passengers in a bus.


u could be right

n could the suicide bombers b due to the HARDevils of hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists? read

1. the rape of israeli PALESTINIANS n destruction of their homes in israel cozin em to become refugees in the millions to give way to imported jews
2. the rape of occupied PALESTINIAN territories thru the buildin of 200 illegal jewish settlements for imported jews
3. the murder of hamas along with PALESTINIAN babies and women so that PALESTINIAN could be reduced n b on par with hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' population
4. the destruction of hamas' homes along with PALESTINIAN innocents' home so that PALESTINIANS gonna remain in dire poverty
5. the buildin of berlin wall 6 kilo inside the occupied PALESTINIAN terrorities so that PALESTINE nation is impossible to achieve
6. the aparthied law aginst israeli PALESTINIANS so that they remain 2nd class citizen in israel
7. the apartheid law aginst israeli PALESTINIANS so that its tough for em to build a home in israel
8.  the rape of un rulings n the veto by superdonkey bush cozin hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionist to get away with their evil deeds as they chant piously luv thy neighbour as thyself.  burp.  r these evil or peaceful deeds?  am waitin  :bg:

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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-2 05:13 AM:
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Already refuted. Arabs are at fault.


liar.  read.

The crimes committed by the Zionists against the Palestinian Arabs were verified in their own unguarded remarks.

For example, Levi Eshkol “went on a tour of the Arab villages which had recently been abandoned and captured.” As he put it, he saw “the traces of what had been and was no longer-- the houses broken into, plundered and burned. The sight sank through my head, brain, blood and heart.”
Many cases of robbery committed against Palestinian Arabs during their expulsion by Israeli soldiers acting under the orders of their commanders have been reported.

For example, Aharon Cohen, the director of Mapam’s Arab Department, recalls that Israeli “troops at the checkpoints out of Lydda had been ordered to take from the expelled Arabs every watch, piece of jewelry or money.”
The homes these people were forced to leave behind them were then systematically looted by Israel.

Cabinet Minister Bechor Shitrit confirms this official looting. He stated, “The army from Lydda alone had taken over 1,800 truckloads of property.”
David Ben-Gurion recorded in his diary entry for July 15, 1948: “The bitter question has arisen regarding acts of robbery and rape in the conquered towns. Soldiers from all the battalions robbed and stole.”
Yosef Lamm, a Member of the Knesset, officially admitted on November 22, 1949: “None of us behaved during the war in a way we might have expected the Jewish people to behave, either with regard to property or human life, and we should all be ashamed.”


LIAR. The Jews cannot trust the people who tortured thier ancestors and are still willing to kill them.


likewise the PALESTINIANS couldnt trust hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists.  read me cut n paste above

Bottom line, the Jews wanted their land back and they got it. HARDreality is ISRAEL is rule by Jews now...with over 6,000,000 jews there.


bottomline is hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists get their israel thru callous lobbyin n thru donkey un's decision to divide PALESTINE so that israe can exist

And PALESTINE is yet to be established or recognized...today there is no nation called PALESTINE... only small captured/occupied lands which used to belong to Jordan/Syria..before they attacked ISRAEL.


PALESTINE may not be officially declared but agin me question is wot exactly d donkey un divide so that israel can exist?  HARDfacts plz

All of them could have lived under jews rule. But they chose not to be ruled by other than muslims... like a dictator cum terrorist Arafat.  Anyway, thats history.


there goes ur forked tongue agin.  why should PALESTINIANS wanna PALESTINE be ruled by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists when they know israel PALESTIANS r 2nd class citizens in israel?  why?
  
Nowthere are over 6,000,000 jews in ISRAEL.


n how d hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionist bcome 6000000 from 507,250 jews in 1948?

LIAR. Most of those Arabs in Palestine could have migrated from anywhere else. There was no citizenship records like nowadays.


it dont matter whether PALESTINIANS came from arab nations or non arab nations.  the HARDfact remains they're PALESTINIANS n hence they're PALESTINE citizens.  n no way u can say their rape by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionist is justified.  uh huh

When British kicked the Ottoman empire's butt, the land was called District of Jerusalem. Told you this few times already.


sure PALESTINE is called district of jerusalem at ONE time as me cut n paste showed few postings earlier.  but wot is PALESTINE called now?  

LIAR cum Jew Hater.
The Jews are only defending against terrorist acts of the stupid Arabs. There is no genocide as you claim. There are still to many Palestinian Arab alive giving problem.


how exactly d hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists defend 'emselves?  HARDfacts plz

n hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionist indeed r committin genocide aginst their brethren the hapless PALESTINIANS.  u cant deny that HARDfact

Jews can find security and peace in ISRAEL... The WALL will help alot in establishing lasting peace.
They have a long way... they have already made your Bible verse absolute.


u sure jews can find security n peace in israel?  didnt u say a bus got bursted by sucide bombers?  forked tongue pagan talk

n why the berlin wall bein built 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINE terrorities n not 6 kilo deep inside israel?

may hapless pious jews/israelis/zionists along with jew luvers rot in deepest pit of hell.  amen  :bg:

peace

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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-2 05:15 AM:
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LIES. The land could not have prospered without the Jews efford. The migrated Jews brought with them useful skills from other countries... while the Arabs there stuck with age old agricultural methods which is not productive.


i dont c no jews in kuwait, yet they prosper.  i dont c no jews in china, yet they prosper.  so u're determined to say only PALESTINE couldnt have prospered without the jews?  forked tongue pagan talk

n if ur brains not in ur arsehole u would c that hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' zig zag berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN territories is killin PALESTINIANS' economy.  so wot prosperity u're talkin bout?

There are victim on both side. The Jews were defending themselves against the Arabs bent on annihilating them. If the Jews were to take revenge like the Arabs... there would be no Arabs...in ISRAEL or anywhere near. They have the POWER but they don't abuse it. SO DON'T WHINE.


o yes hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r abusin their power by controllin the arabs n the world by proxy.  simple

They are stupid...nothing else.


wot would u do if hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists rape ur family?  u gonna beg 'em to rape some more or rape 'em in turn?  am waitin

Jew Hater. The only terrorist is the HAMAS, ARAFAT and the Arab nation leaders. The Jews came peacefully... the Arabs turn them into ruthless when defending themselves.


is this wot u call the jews came peacefully?  read

In 1920 Britain was assigned the "mandate" for administering Palestine under the League of Nations. The Jewish trouble first started in November 1945, when the Zionists decided to put on the pressure to achieve their aim, and Jewish terrorists attacked British Installations. The most extreme of the terrorist organisations was the Irgun Zvai Leumi with about 7000 members, followed by the Stern Gang with about 500 Nihilists. Another illegal organisation was the Haganah which was tolerated by the authorities, and could best be described as a kind of Home Guard which protected Jewish Settlements from Arab attacks. Three months before my arrival in Palestine, terrorists had blown up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and Police and Military personnel were being stalked and shot. So this was the situation that greeted me.
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In the 16 days July 16 to 31, sixteen persons were killed and 92 injured as a result of terrorist activities. The dead included 13 members of the security forces, two civilians and one terrorist Of those injured, 77 were Police and Military and 15 civilians ."The action of the Irgun Zvai Leumi in hanging two British Army Sergeants was the most dastardly and abominable of all the crimes committed in Palestine.


Stupid...no other word i can find but to call you a stupid moron. Told you so many times already.


liar.  u never answer me question.  me repeat - donkey un divided wot land so that israel can exist?  be specific.  no wiggle waggle

November 29 (1947): The United Nations General Assembly approves the partition plan for Palestine put forward by the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone around Jerusalem.

The Arabs started the war there. The Arabs could have lived peacefully with the Jews. The land is big enough for the Jews as well as the Arabs. ..But the Arabs had to plot to annihilate the Jews.


right n wrong

right, the arabs n PALESTINES indeed started the war coz donkey un succumbed to hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' callous lobbyin.  there 749,000 Arabs and 9,250 Jews lived in the territory where the proposed Arab state would be set up, while 497,000 Arabs and 498,000 Jews lived in the part which was to become the Jewish state.  as such donkey un is not bein fair to the 497,000 Arabs who gonna be raped n terrorized by the 498,000 Jews in that part which is to become the Jewish state.  n HARDproof shows hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists indeed have raped israeli PALESTINIANS once israel is formed cozin em to become refugees in the millions

So what you complaining. The Arabs got what the deserve. The Jews got ISRAEL. Stupid Arabs with all the oil money, gripping the US by the balls, can't prepare themselves for war against the Jews.  The Jews understood the evil plot of the Arabs ... as such the Jews prepared themselves well.


inother words, u're lyin thru ur teeth.  u said the jews came peacefully.  now u're sayin they cruel manipulative lot.  indeed the jews show their cruel manipulative nature when they get israel thru squeezin donkey un balls.  they rape n genocide their brethen the hapless PALESTINIANS when they squeeze superdonkey bushs balls.  theres no mercy for PALESTINIANS n all those who get in their way

me know u're gloatin over the PALESTINIANS sufferin but intentionally or unintentionally u're exposin hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists peaceful cruel manipulative nature.  shame

Of corse i don't give FAKEfacts like you do. The Jews know who to approach for results. Unlike the stupid Oil rich morons, don't know how to get help... All they know is ALLAH will help them.... and ALLAH didn't help them.


read me response above

The US understands the need of the Jews, without their help ISRAEL might have been annihilated by the Evil Arabs.


inother words bird of same feather fu*ck together.  simple

superdonkey bush calls for peace in the israeli PALESTINIAN conflict but continue donatin billions worth of arms to hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionist to rape PALESTINE n annihilate the PALESTINIANS.

hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zonists call for peace in the israel PALESTINIAN conflict but continue buildin berlin wall 6 kilo deep inside the occupied PALESTINIAN territories.  hypocrisy of worst kind

You are acting more n more dumb. Does killing come to mind?


so u still dont dare to specify how many jews have been killed by the muslims n how many jews have been killed by the europeans over the centuries?

n who in this whole wide world have been accommodative to the jews despite their cruel manipulative nature?  am waitin

They should, if they wanted peace. And don't bluff about genocide.


why should arab nations give citizenship to the PALESTINIANS when PALESTINIANS have PALELSTINE?

n why u think the killin of PALESTINE babies n women along with the hamas by hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionist is not genocide?  wot exactly genocide mean for u?  well?

Your FAKEfacts again? what deepest pit of hell


u accept israel as hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeiis/zionists' holy land homeland right?  why u dont accept sinners rottin in deepest pit of hell?

What genocide? Do you know the meaning of genocide? or is your understanding of genocide is same as the meaning for extinct?


the dict says genocide means deliberate extermination of a people or nation.  n thats exactly wot hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r doin to the PALESTINIANS.

one simple question - is the killin of PALESTINIAN innocents along with the hamas considered peaceful or genocide?  no wiggle waggle now  

If the Jews want to genocide the Arab/Palestinians.. there is no stopping.


hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists indeed genocide the PALESTINIANS.  read

1. the rape of israeli PALESTINIANS n destruction of their homes in israel cozin em to become refugees in the millions to give way to imported jews
2. the rape of occupied PALESTINIAN territories thru the buildin of 200 illegal jewish settlements for imported jews
3. the murder of hamas along with PALESTINIAN babies and women so that PALESTINIAN could be reduced n b on par with hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists' population
4. the destruction of hamas' homes along with PALESTINIAN innocents' homes so that PALESTINIANS gonna remain in dire poverty
5. the buildin of berlin wall 6 kilo inside the occupied PALESTINIAN terrorities so that PALESTINE nation is impossible to achieve
6. the aparthied law aginst israeli PALESTINIANS so that they remain 2nd class citizen in israel
7. the apartheid law aginst israeli PALESTINIANS so that its tough for em to build a home in israel
8.  the rape of un rulings n the veto by superdonkey bush cozin hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionist to get away with their evil deeds as they chant piously luv thy neighbour as thyself.  burp.  r these evil or peaceful deeds?  am waitin
   

When the Israel army caome looking for suspected terrorist, you should not throw stones at them or stand in their way... if you got killed by mistake...you are dead...and thats not genocide its called collateral-damage.


collateral damage results in murderin of PALESTINIAN innoncent along with the hamas right?
genocide results in murderin of PALESTINIAN innocents along with hamas right?
so wots the difference?
n dont forget these PALESTINIAN innocents include babies.  r u sayin these babies throw stones at hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists?  is ur brian in ur arsehole agin?  :bg:

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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-4 03:48 AM:
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It was August 23 when it started -- a Friday -- an outbreak of Arab anti-Jewish viole ...


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01/07/2002 12:28:31 PM
Intifada
Letter by
Mohammed Zigby

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Nov. 25, 2001

Setting the Record Straight

In response to George Jonas’ Nov. 25 (“Israel’s War of Independence Continues”) article, I would like to make a few comments. Jonas claims that the continuing conflict in the Middle East is due to the Arab and Muslim world’s rejection of the legitimacy of the Jewish state. That statement makes a great leap of logic and ignores many crucial variables in the equation. In order to reformulate this equation one must find the source of the Arab/Muslim world’s difficulty in accepting the legitimacy of Israel.
     
Let it be mentioned that until the early 1900s Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace in Palestine. The mass immigration of European Jews into Palestine beginning in the 1890s was initially accepted until their intentions were known – that is, the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. So, contrary to popular thought a Jewish presence was not rejected outright but until the presence of the Palestinians was threatened.

Now, as for the Peel Commission, it would be more accurate for Jonas to say that it was voted against by the Jewish Congress despite the urgings of Ben Gurion and Weizmann. Furthermore, Jonas does not even discuss the role of terrorism by Jewish groups. In 1939 the Irgun calls for the conquest of Palestine by force. In 1944, Stern and Irgun join forces to carry out a terror campaign against the British. At that time, the Conference on Arab Unity called for the formation of an Arab state in Palestine in which non-Arab communities – including the Jews – would enjoy full citizenship rights. Essentially, the Arabs were still willing to include the Jewish community despite the operations of terror being committed against British and Arab targets throughout Palestine.

The climax of the terror campaign was the bombing of the King David Hotel in July of 1946 killing 91 people. Jonas forgets to mention the role that that bombing played in Britain’s decision to quit the Mandate and transfer it over to the United Nations. In addition, British Minister Lord Moyne was gunned down by Jewish terrorists in Cairo in 1944 shocking Churchill – a supporter of Zionism. And the Nakba (“catastrophe”) refers not solely to the creation of the state of Israel but to the Arab blood that was shed in the process of its creation. No mention is made of the massacres of Palestinian civilians of which the most famous one – which remains imbedded in the Palestinian psyche – is the April 9, 1948 massacre at Deir Yassin.

Had Jonas mentioned some of these facts, we may have a better understanding of the situation and of the Arab-Muslim perspective. I felt it was necessary to balance Jonas’ argument by setting the record straight.
     
Mohammed Zigby
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2003-12-4 04:21 AM:
Arafat's Billions
Nov. 9, 2003


(CBS) Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure  ...


simple explanation really.  arafat has his evil side, so does hapless pious terrorist cum rapist chief sharon.  read  :cool:

Israel strengthens its apartheid system
Palestine-Israel, Politics, 5/28/2002

The British daily the Financial Times has stressed the Israeli forces have deliberately installed buffer zones in the Palestinian areas with the aim to damage the Palestinian economy and restrict the movement of the Palestinians.

The May 26 article said that the policy of isolating the Palestinians, pursued by Israel is undermining international efforts made to rebuild the cities of the West Bank where great damage was inflected as a result of the recent Israeli invasion.

The paper remarked that Israel is building barbed wire around the cities of the West Bank and Hebron and intensifying military check points at their entrances in order to defuse the Palestinian Intifada and strike the national resistance movements.

The Financial Times said "The Israelis are introducing permits for travel between towns at the same time as the army extends and strengthens the barriers that restrict movement."

Also, the official Palestinian news agency stated last Saturday that: "Israel effectively maintains apartheid-style policies to enforce its control and military occupation and cut the West Bank into eight Bantustans, effectively isolated from one another, with movement control exercised by the Israeli occupation forces. Palestinians needing to travel are required to apply to the Israeli occupation authorities for a special permit to enter or leave a zone. The new permits (or 'passbooks') are only valid from 5.00 am until 7.00 pm and must be renewed every month. This measure resembles the system of "pass laws" as used by the apartheid regime in South Africa, where black South Africans were confined to reserves and their movements restricted to certain places after specified hours under restrictive laws.

"Israel's restrictions on Palestinian movement, its besiegement on Palestinian towns, villages and refugee camps and Israel's closure policy already has had a devastating effect on all aspects of the lives of the Palestinian civilian population, including access to supplies such as food and medicines, humanitarian aid and assistance, hospitals and field clinics, schools, universities, and workplaces, and access to religious sites.

"The Israeli army has literally imprisoned the Palestinian population in restricted areas by the widespread use of trenches, barbed wire, and dirt and concrete blockades that prevent movement outside of towns and villages. Previously, LAW, The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment, reported about the more than 150 military checkpoints, dirt and concrete blockades cutting off access to city and country roads, trenches cutting off main access roads to urban centers and iron gates that have been erected at entrances of Palestinian community areas.

"Article 12 of the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which Israel ratified in 1991, states that everyone shall have the right to liberty of movement, without restriction, in his or her country, and the right to enter and leave it without hindrance.

"According to the UN Committee Against Torture, Israel's policy of closures may amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment in breach of article 16 of the Torture Convention, which Israel ratified in 1991. Moreover, the effects of the apartheid policies imposed by the Israeli occupation authorities on Palestinians violate other legal duties to which Israel is subject, primarily the right to work, the right to health, and the right to education, as they appear in the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Additionally, the restrictions are based on racial discrimination. Moreover, the new measures are a clear form of collective punishment, which is absolutely prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

"The form of apartheid Israel applies against Palestinians fulfils all elements of the crime of apartheid as defined under the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976), which expressly states that the crime of apartheid 'shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practiced in southern Africa' (art.2)."
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What happen to you sonny... you been gone without a word for such a long time.

Where did you go??...to "alestine" ?? ... training the stupid suicide bomber???...  can't be... cause you are back... you can only train the suicide bomber by igniting the bomb only once...
I will show this only once... kaboom...

Hows the young suicide toddler doing?
And you whine abt "palestinian" babies dying in the hunt for HAMAS...

TRAIN THEM YOUNG... SO WHEN THEY GROW UP... THEY CAN KILL MORE JEWS.




Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-1-1 10:06 AM:
hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews (not all) r never peaceful lot.  otherwise they would not have murdered jesus n cozin yahweh to curse 'em to be nomads.  even now they r slaughterin the world by proxy

Did someone mention about spamming...

Its pointless... a Jew hater like you will never accept the fact that the Jew have a nation... no more nomads... invalidating your Bible.

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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-1-1 10:06 AM:
n u know why the arabs/PALESTINIANS initiated the 1948 war?

Yes. The Muslims think the world belong to them. They tought Allah will help them to annihilate the Jews.
Boy were they wrong...
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-1-1 10:06 AM:
n agin me question - how many jews did the arabs murder against how many jews did the europeans murder?  am waitin  

How many Jews you want to see dead... 6? 6,000? 6,000,000? all?
Freakin Jew hater.
Freakin Christian/Europeans may have murdered more than the Arabs... that's not the issue.
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I don't think it's right to blame the whole Jewish race just like its not right to label all Muslims as terrorist. Just read the papers - retired and resrve Isreali pilots, NS officers and more are willing to risk punishment by speaking out and protesting againts what they feel are cruelties done on to Palestinians by their military. There are also Jewish NGOs who sympathise and are working with Palestinians. I don't think they deserve to be victims of a suicide attack. I don't think anyone desrves that.

I remember a song which had some sad lyrics that went something like:
And God looked down at his creation but did not recognise it.
All that was left was a scarred earth, a barren land and an ungrateful (human) race.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2004-1-6 02:53 AM:

What happen to you sonny... you been gone without a word for such a long time.

SONNY:  
xmas sin n celebratin ny


Where did you go??...to "alestine" ?? ... training the stupid suicide bomber???...  can't be... cause you are back... you can only train the suicide bomber by igniting the bomb only once...
I will show this only once... kaboom...

SONNY:  
u sound frustrated.  simple solution really.  counter me HARDfacts with ur HARDfacts not forked tongue pagan ramblin


Hows the young suicide toddler doing?
And you whine abt "palestinian" babies dying in the hunt for HAMAS...

SONNY:  
u said PALESTINIAN innocents threw stones n got in the way o hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/isralis/zionists when they're murderin hamas right?  
n these PALESTINIANS innocent who got genocide by these hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists include babies right?
so u're sayin PALESTINIAN innocent includin babies r throwin stones n got in the way o hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists right?
or now u wanna say u're lyin for the sake o hecklin me HARDproofs right?


TRAIN THEM YOUNG... SO WHEN THEY GROW UP... THEY CAN KILL MORE JEWS.

SONNY:  
THATS RIGHT.  HAPLESS PIOUS TERRORIST CUM RAPIST JEWS/ISRALIS/ZIONISTS R TRAINING PALESTINIAN BABIES TO GROW UP TO BECOME SUCIDE BOMBERS.  
HOW THEY DO THAT?
SIMPLE
BY RAPIN PALESTINE THRU BUILDIN 200 ILLEGAL JEWISH SETTLEMENTS IN THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES, BY RAPIN PALESTINE ISRALIES COZIN 'EM TO BECOME REFUGEES IN THE MILLIONS TO GIVE WAY TO IMPORTED JEWS ETC


Did someone mention about spamming...

SONNY:  
repetitious statements without HARDproofs r spammin


Its pointless... a Jew hater like you will never accept the fact that the Jew have a nation... no more nomads... invalidating your Bible.

SONNY:  
hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists indeed have a nation thru callous lobbyin n when donkey un divided PALESTINE so that israel can exist.  
the HARDfact remains hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r lustful lot.  
they wanna more o PALESTINIAN lands.  
thats why they rape PALESTINE by buildin 200 illegal jewish settlements in the occupied PALESTINIAN territories, by genocide PALESTINIAN innocent includin babies along with the hamas, by rapin PALESTINE israelis cozin em to become refugees in the millions to give way to imported jews etc
  :bg:

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read HARDfact FAITHHEALER3  :2cool:

September 29, 2003
L'Shana Tovah, Indeed
By Natalie Davis

The Jewish new year got off to a rousing start in Israel's West Bank. On Friday night, just as a family was beginning its Rosh Hashana celebration, a Palestinian gunman burst into its home and started shooting. The assailant was killed in the melee, but not before he had wounded two people and had taken the lives of a 30-year-old man and a 7-month-old baby girl.

As is their wont, Israeli officials are blaming Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for supporting terrorists and are hinting that they will seek revenge.

"This shows again the ugly face of Palestinian terrorists," said government spokesman Jonathan Peled in a New York Post report. "It shows they are totally oblivious to the sanctity of life, the sanctity of religion."

Pot, meet kettle.

Israel's Ha'aretz provides more details of the tragedy:

The gunman infiltrated the isolated settlement [of Negohot, southwest of Hebron] at around 9:30 P.M., from the northwest, through a part that was not fenced.

Armed with an M-16 assault rifle, he knocked on the door of one of the homes on the edge of the settlement. A 30 year-old man who was visiting at the house opened the door and was critically wounded by the gunman. He died a short time later.

The owner of the house and a soldier opened fire at the gunman, who tried to escape and while fleeing fired a number of rounds at the house, one of which hit and critically wounded a seven-month-old baby who also died a short while later.

An army reserve unit that rushed to the scene killed the gunman.

The wounded - the girl's father and a woman - were taken to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon, and the woman has since been released to her home.

No group has yet to claim responsibility for the attack.

Rosh Hashana, a 10-day period which leads up to Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is supposed to be a time for the Jewish people -- which include members of Israel's government -- to reflect on the things they have done wrong and to commit to doing better in the future in hopes of creating a better world. It doesn't appear the Ariel Sharon administration is on the right track here.

As Rabbi Michael Lerner of the pro-peace Tikkun Community notes in his New Year's letter, some Jews -- among them, members of the Israeli government -- are guilty of a number of sins:

*  "not publicly criticizing Israel for its unwillingness to end the Occupation of the West Bank and allow the Palestinian people to build their own society

*  blaming the entire Palestinian people for the (inexcusable and murderous) acts of a few hundred immoral terrorists, and then inflicting collective punishment on the entire Palestinian people, including denial of food and water, bombings from the sky, assassinations of suspected terrorists that often involve killing dozens of other innocents, house demolitions, and the building of a "security Wall" in the midst of the West Bank (thereby expropriating yet more land)

*  not adequately supporting those who have courageously stood up for justice and peace, even at great personal expense (most recently, the 27 Air Force officers in Israel who announced on September 24, 2003, that they would refuse to fly missions in the West Bank aimed at destroying Palestinians from the sky) -- thereby allowing the rest of the world to believe that the Jewish people are being fairly represented by our current array of leaders who are either apologists for the Occupation or too scared to speak out unequivocally against it. ...

*  not learning from the wisdom of, and affirming the beauty and goodness of, every other people and religious/spiritual tradition -- for fear that doing so would somehow diminish our commitment to our own worth or our own wisdom

*  thinking that our pain is so much more important than anyone else's pain

*  allowing the riches of the Jewish tradition to be appropriated by hateful and reactionary forces, rather than immersing ourselves in it, reclaiming and renewing it, and learning from its immense beauty and wisdom."

Rabbi Lerner notes one more sin:

"not standing up for Israel or the Jewish people when it is being unfairly criticized, held to a different standard than everyone else, and not adequately challenging anti-Semitism when it rears its ugly head in the anti-war movement or among those who have legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy but then move beyond that to sweepingly dismiss the rights of the Jewish people, including our right to be just as screwed up as everyone else without being singled out for being worse than we really are."

Indeed. I don't wish to single out Israel's leaders and those citizens who are Zionist-to-a-fault for criticism here, as it is obvious that there are Palestinians who show no respect for human life or for the beautiful spiritual tradition that is Judaism. Examples would be the suicide bombers who plague innocent Israeli people, the assault-gun-wielding gunman who ruined a family's holiday celebration, and Yasser Arafat, who does appear to give at the very least tacit approval to the inhumane terrorist acts committed by a small minority of militant Palestinians. Surely Palestinian leaders and citizens who don't stand against their terrorists have much for which to atone. But Israeli government spokespersons lose credibility when they only point fingers at murderous Palestinian militants.

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CONTINUE  :cool:

Former Legal Adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace negotiations Francis A. Boyle, a professor in International Law, opined in 2001 that the Israel-Palestine conflict is not a symmetrical one, in that Israel's occupation of the West Bank is immoral and illegal. (He defends Palestinian retaliation, saying that "the Palestinian People are defending Themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian." I agree that Israel's occupation is inhumane, immoral, and illegal, but in my opinion, nothing justifies suicide bombings or the recent Rosh Hashana murders. In fact, I believe Boyle has some atoning to do, as well.)

But the professor notes, correctly, that much blood is on some Israeli
hands:

In operative paragraph 1 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission "Strongly condemns the disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force in violation of international humanitarian law by the Israeli occupying Power against innocent and unarmed Palestinian civilians ... including many children, in the occupied territories, which constitutes a war crime and a crime against humanity; ..." And in paragraph 5 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission "Also affirms that the deliberate and systematic killing of civilians and children by the Israeli occupying authorities constitutes a flagrant and grave violation of the right to life and also constitutes a crime against humanity;...'' Article 68 of the United Nations Charter had expressly required the U.N.'s Economic and Social Council to "set up" this Commission "for the promotion of human rights."

And, he adds,

there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated 'grave breaches' of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli 'grave breaches' of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel's political leaders.

Boyle concludes,

In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past.

Global human-rights organization Amnesty International, unlike Boyle, has no dog in this race. In July 2002, the London-based group released a report critical of Palestinian terrorists in which it stated,

"The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. ... They constitute crimes against humanity ... They may also constitute war crimes."

Not surprisingly, Palestinian officials dismissed the report as biased and unbalanced. But Amnesty, in numerous documents, including a June 2003 press release, points its finger at the Israeli government too:

In the past two and half years the Israeli army has killed more than 2,000 Palestinians and Palestinian armed groups have killed more than 700 Israelis. Most of those killed were civilians and included some 350 Palestinian children and more than 90 Israeli children. ...

The Israeli army has also destroyed more than 3,000 Palestinian homes, vast areas of cultivated land, and hundreds of commercial and public properties. Prolonged and disproportionate closures and curfews imposed by the Israeli army throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip have impeded or prevented Palestinians' access to medical care, education and work. Poverty, unemployment and health problems, including malnutrition, have spiraled as a result.

The spread of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip continues and the measures taken by Israel purportedly to protect the freedom of movement of Israeli settlers, whose presence in the Occupied Territories violates international law, have resulted in increasingly widespread abuses of the local Palestinian population's human rights.

"The Israeli government and army must stop imposing collective punishment against Palestinians," the organization said.

The recent violent break of the truce between Israel and Palestine and the resignation of pro-peace Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas make the road to conflict resolution increasingly bumpy and treacherous. If peace is to be achieved, it is crucial that Amnesty International's advice is followed: "Israeli and Palestinian sides must put an end to killings and other attacks against civilians."

Before that will happen, I suggest that everyone open themselves up to the message of Rosh Hashana: Look backward at one's sins. Look ahead to what one can do to atone for past sins and work to create a better world -- a world of peace, justice, and mutual respect.

L'Shana Tovah, everyone.


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Post time 6-1-2004 01:51 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2004-1-6 03:08 AM:


Yes. The Muslims think the world belong to them. They tought Allah will help them to annihilate the Jews.
Boy were they wrong...

SONNY:
liar.  the muslim never think the world belong to em neither do they tot allah will help em annihilate the jews.  thats forked tongue pagan hecklin

the HARDfact is the jews think they can get away with squeezin the worlds balls by proxy.  but they forget they gonna rot in deepest pit o hell come doomsday.  trust me


How many Jews you want to see dead... 6? 6,000? 6,000,000? all?
Freakin Jew hater.

SONNY:
why fearful o me question - how many jews did the arabs murder against how many jews did the europeans murder?  am waitin
   

Freakin Christian/Europeans may have murdered more than the Arabs... that's not the issue.

SONNY:
thats right christians/europeans may have murdered more jews than the arabs.  but why hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israelis/zionists r rapin their brethren the hapless PALESTINIANS instead o rapin in turn superdonkey bush n the like?  any idea?

n exactly wots the issue from ur viewpoint?
  :bg:

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Post time 6-1-2004 01:56 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by casio666 at 2004-1-6 07:49 AM:
I don't think it's right to blame the whole Jewish race just like its not right to label all Muslims as terrorist. Just read the papers - retired and resrve Isreali pilots, NS officers and more are ...


ure dead right
not all jews evil
but it wouldnt do to become silent majority right?
the good jews should have toppled hapless pious terrorist cum rapist jews/israeli/zionist chief sharon looonnggg ago :bg:

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Post time 6-1-2004 03:31 PM | Show all posts
The thing is the 'good jews' don't believe in the violent ways of the 'bad jews.' They're going at it the Gandhi way. Instead of violence, they offer medical and other help to the Palestinians.
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