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Why are muslims so backward and powerless ?

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Post time 14-7-2014 04:54 PM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 14-7-2014 04:42 PM
Man have misery and suffering due to his own conducts.
Man face disaster as it is part of natural ...
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However, what befalls Gaza now are due to Muslims ignorants and arrogants. So many times people seeks permanent peace but Muslims are so bull-headed that they are hell-bent in destroying Israel and preventing Jews even a small place in Middle East.
I would say your comments above are misleading. The event that is happening in Gaza is very complex event and has been occuring for few decades and it is not as simple as due to 'Muslims ignorants and arrogants'. You are known to be biased against Islam so I doubt your points are worth to be seriously considered of.


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Post time 14-7-2014 05:13 PM | Show all posts
mashimaru83 posted on 14-7-2014 04:32 PM
Obviously God is at His place. Is there anything wrong if God wants/allows the misery/disaster to  ...

Obviously God is at His place. Is there anything wrong if God wants/allows the misery/disaster to happen?

IF this is your argument, then no need to pray, ya allah, selamatkanlah palestinian...

as it is allah who want or allow misery or disaster to happen to gazaian......

OTHERWISE,

why gods keeps on letting the jews hurting the poor palestinians? why not break the land of jews by casting earth quake? let the zioninst fall into the abyss..... yet no prayers are answered......

ni adalah percanggahan

1) semua benda adalah kehendak & perancangan tuhan
2) hidup ni adalah ujian

kalau semua kehendak & perancangan, kenapa nak uji




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Post time 14-7-2014 09:40 PM | Show all posts
mashimaru83 posted on 14-7-2014 04:54 PM
I would say your comments above are misleading. The event that is happening in Gaza is very comple ...

Bull$hit. It is not misleading but straight to the point. The Arabs created the religion known as Islam and feed to to non-Arabs who become Muslims. Muslims in return fight for Islam (and indirectly Arab Saudia and its people), protecting them from outsiders with the mindset that they are protecting Islam. In this way, both the Arabs and Islam are safe, creating endless cycle of death and destruction to the Muslims who do not understand that they are being used (by the Arabs).

Islam made sure that the youths in Muslim societies continued to be fueled by hatred toward everyone else (who are not Muslims) because Islam teaches them that these people (non-Muslims) are the enemy. In this way, the youth will never question their Muallahs and at the same time, will not improve their society the way other youths in non-Muslim society could improve their society. In this way, the Muslim society will always be in 7th Century state while the Muallahs continued to remain in power.

Why else Arab nations couldn't lay a finger on Israel or help Palestine people? Are they afraid of Israel? No, to them (the Arabs), Palestine are just sheeps and goats to be sacrificed. As more and more Palestine dies in the street, the attention will turn from how the Arabs are using the Muslims to simple hatred toward the Jews and their actions toward Palestine. Terrorists like HAMAS and Al-Qeada (and very soon, ISIS) will be fighting the Israel and America (among other West societies) in a daydream that they are doing god's work and going to get 72 virgins and the vicious cycle will continue.

THIS IS THE ONLY TRUTH.
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Post time 15-7-2014 11:11 AM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 14-7-2014 09:40 PM
Bull$hit. It is not misleading but straight to the point. The Arabs created the religion known as  ...

Again, on evidential perspective your arguments are misleading and incorrect. What you stated were just your biased opinions. So, they need to be dismissed immediately.

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Post time 15-7-2014 02:29 PM | Show all posts
wei_loon5063 posted on 14-7-2014 05:13 PM
Obviously God is at His place. Is there anything wrong if God wants/allows the misery/disaster to  ...

God also allows the misery/disaster to end. So, it's logical to ask/pray to someone who have definitive control of the said event/misery (i.e. make it stops).

wei_loon5063:
ni adalah percanggahan
1) semua benda adalah kehendak & perancangan tuhan
2) hidup ni adalah ujian
Ya, semua benda adalah atas kehendak dan perancangan Tuhan. Dan Tuhan memberitahu kepada manusia itu adalah ujian daripadaNya. Ianya dikatakan ujian kerana manusia itu sendiri tidak tahu apakah kehendak & perancangan tersebut. Tidak gunalah dikatakan ujian jika manusia itu sendiri sudah tahu apakah perancangan utk mereka (syurga/neraka).

Sebab itulah ianya dikatakan ujian. Apa pendapat anda?


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Post time 15-7-2014 04:10 PM | Show all posts
jika DIA

1) mampu & tidak hendak tolong org dalam susah maka dia tidak ada belas kasihan
cth: biarkan gaza derita

2) mampu &hendak tolong org dalam kesusahan, kenapa banyak lagi orang yg susah? org sakit, mati, seksa dll..
mana rayuan tuhan dan sembahyang idak didengar?

3) hendak tolong tapi tak mampu, maka dia bukan tuhan

4) tak hendak & tak mampu, jadi apakah dia

mana satu tuhan?? Last edited by wei_loon5063 on 15-7-2014 04:21 PM

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Post time 15-7-2014 05:55 PM | Show all posts
If muslims are so backward & powerless, why bother?why do you care so much with our backward & powerless livings?kau ni sebenarnye poyo and menggelabah babi..youve got nothing else to do other than to spread hatred & your fictional lies bout Islam. Pity you as a christian, for most of your postings in this board only replicate hates & lies towards Islam. I wonder if this is part of what have been taught by Jesus in the bible.

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Post time 16-7-2014 08:58 AM | Show all posts
KENAPALAH

muslims here tidak mengalu alukan pertanyaan dari kaum bukan islam?

kawan baik saya yg dari arab mengalu alukan sebarang pertanyaan dari saya. katanya, sebarang pertanyaan dari saya menguatkan lagi akar umbi islam dia

fikirkan lah
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Post time 16-7-2014 04:41 PM | Show all posts
wei_loon5063 posted on 15-7-2014 04:10 PM
jika DIA

1) mampu & tidak hendak tolong org dalam susah maka dia tidak ada belas kasihan

Ini disebabkan kaedah reasoning anda yg meletakkan apabila berlaku sesuatu masalah, Dia mestilah turun membantu secara direct. Ia nampak logikal tetapi sebenarnya tidak tepat. Saya sering melihat hujah sebegini terutamanya daripada golongan atheist (saya tidak bermaksud anda adalah seorang atheist).

Atas bukti apakah anda mengatakan Dia mesti turun membantu secara direct utk segala permasalahan dunia? Anda tidak pernah berjumpa dgn Dia, tetapi somehow anda tahu apa yg patut/mesti dilakukan oleh Dia. Boleh saya tahu bagaimana anda boleh membuat kesimpulan sebegitu? Apakah terdapat bukti yg menyokong hujah anda?

Menjawab persoalan anda, adakah Tuhan tidak mahu membantu? Sebenarnya tidak. Tuhan telah pun menurunkan guidance/panduan hidup kepada manusia utk meneruskan kehidupan secara aman-damai; tetapi jika manusia tidak mengikut panduan tersebut, adakah Tuhan patut dipersalahkan?
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Post time 16-7-2014 08:33 PM | Show all posts
mashimaru83 posted on 15-7-2014 11:11 AM
Again, on evidential perspective your arguments are misleading and incorrect. What you stated were ...

Why are you so scared? Scared that young Muslims will read this and finally understand the true nature of Islam?

My words are not misleading. You are the one misleading (others) here. My words are the only truth about the whole mess. That Arabs created Islam to safeguard their own interest and therefore, they don't care if Muslims (non-Arabs) die like dogs in the streets fighting for Islam. THIS IS FACT.
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Post time 17-7-2014 04:10 PM | Show all posts
Wow...the old fakers are still around, even after all this time. Wow....just wow.
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Post time 17-7-2014 07:00 PM | Show all posts
cm_menj posted on 17-7-2014 04:10 PM
Wow...the old fakers are still around, even after all this time. Wow....just wow.

Look like an old snake crawled out of his hole.
Your friend, Satan.8 should be happy.

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Post time 19-7-2014 07:28 AM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 16-7-2014 08:33 PM
Why are you so scared? Scared that young Muslims will read this and finally understand the true na ...

Again, another biased opinions from you. Biased opinions are not facts. These unhealty biased opinions should be dismissed immediately.


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Post time 19-7-2014 09:05 AM | Show all posts
mashimaru83 posted on 19-7-2014 07:28 AM
Again, another biased opinions from you. Biased opinions are not facts. These unhealty biased opin ...

Bla Bla Bla ... Noise without facts.

Can you prove that Islam is NOT a political system? Can you prove that the Arabs are not using Muslims (non-Arabs) through Islam to fight their proxy wars?
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Post time 19-7-2014 10:49 AM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 19-7-2014 09:05 AM
Bla Bla Bla ... Noise without facts.

Can you prove that Islam is NOT a political system? Can yo ...

It is a known fact in this forum that you are being biased against Islam. So it is a clear fact and not a noise. Please correct your own misunderstanding.

You claimed that Arabs created Islam to safeguards their own interest. This is definitely wrong. There is no where in Islamic teachings saying what you were saying. Again, unbasis claim which has to be dismissed immediately.

Sephiroth
Can you prove that the Arabs are not using Muslims (non-Arabs) through Islam to fight their proxy wars?
I am non-Arab Muslims and I don't fight for Arabs in their proxy wars. In conclusion, above statement is simply misleading.

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Post time 19-7-2014 12:03 PM | Show all posts
by mashimaru83

It is a known fact in this forum that you are being biased against Islam.
There is no where in Islamic teachings saying what you were saying.


Are you STUPID or something?
Of course lah Islam will not say it is using Muslims for sake of Arab. IF it did, Islam will collapse as soon as Muhammad died.

And yet, I do not see one proof which shows that Arabs (Muhammad and his four friends) did not create Islam as a political system disguise as a religion system to safeguard their own interest.

I am non-Arab Muslims and I don't fight for Arabs in their proxy wars.  


And WHO the F%$K are you? Who gives a $hit what you do?

I'm talking about Muslims in Middle-East, Africa, Europe, UK, US, India and other places who do fight in the proxy wars to spread Islam while empowering the Arabs so everyone will become like Arabs. That way, when everyone think like an Arab, behave like an Arab and do thinks like an Arab, they will have mentality that the real Arabs are above them. They will low themselves to these Arabs and the Arabs will rule over the World through Islam. THAT IS THE ISLAMIC POLITICAL SYSTEM.

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Post time 19-7-2014 03:53 PM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 19-7-2014 12:03 PM
by mashimaru83
Sephiroth:
And yet, I do not see one proof which shows that Arabs (Muhammad and his four friends) did not create Islam as a political system disguise as a religion system to safeguard their own interest.
This is flawed reasoning. The one who came up with 'Islam is a political system which disguise as a religon system' was you. It's you who have to provide the proof. So far you only pointed out your biased opinions. Again, biased opinions can never be facts. These unhealty biased opinions have to be dismissed immediately.

Sephiroth:
I'm talking about Muslims in Middle-East, Africa, Europe, UK, US, India and other places who do fight in the proxy wars to spread Islam while empowering the Arabs so everyone will become like Arabs.
Everyone will become like Arabs? Again, another unbasis claim. There is no such thing in Islamic teachings saying that Muslims must become like Arabs. Again, your unbasis claim is wrong and has to be dismissed immediately.


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Post time 20-7-2014 08:42 AM | Show all posts
by mashimaru83

This is flawed reasoning.


And yet, I do not see a single "proper reasoning" from you on how I'm at fault. Where is the proof that shows Muhammad is the true prophet and not some Arab who fooled others (with his four friends) and created Islam to cement their power? Showing Al Quran verses doesn't fit here because you cannot use Al Quran which was created by Muhammad to testify his own prophethood. That is like showing your ID and telling us you are the son of this and that.

No, what is the proof of Muhammad actually being a prophet? What is the proof that islam is NOT a political system? Answer these two. I bet you cannot.

There is no such thing in Islamic teachings saying that Muslims must become like Arabs.


Muhammad taught that everyone should eat like him, drink like him, sleep like him, pray like him and even wash their rear end like him. And WHO was he? An Arab. Therefore, Islam is a way of life of an Arab and its goal is to convert people to become an Arab. Full Stop. Any kid will understand this.

Only reason why you are so worked up is that YOU ARE AFRAID. You are afraid that Muslims will learn the truth and think for themselves (something you are INCAPABLE of doing) and they WILL understand that Islam is not a religious teaching. There is no Allah. There is no Heaven with 72 virgins for those who die like dogs in the street. All there is is MEANINGLESS DEATH, orchestrated by the Arabs to safeguard their own interest in the Middle East.

Yes, you are afraid and that is why you are whining here like a broken record.
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Post time 20-7-2014 10:34 AM | Show all posts
Sephiroth posted on 20-7-2014 08:42 AM
by mashimaru83
Sephiroth:
Showing Al Quran verses doesn't fit here because you cannot use Al Quran which was created by Muhammad to testify his own prophethood. That is like showing your ID and telling us you are the son of this and that.
That is not correct. Al-Quran is revealed through Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. He didn't create Al-Quran as what you have pointed out, so your argument above is not correct.

Sephiroth:
Muhammad taught that everyone should eat like him, drink like him, sleep like him, pray like him and even wash their rear end like him. And WHO was he? An Arab. Therefore, Islam is a way of life of an Arab and its goal is to convert people to become an Arab. Full Stop. Any kid will understand this.
Again, wrong. Look at your initial argument:
Sephiroth:
I'm talking about Muslims in Middle-East, Africa, Europe, UK, US, India and other places who do fight in the proxy wars to spread Islam while empowering the Arabs so everyone will become like Arabs.
You initially talked about 'those who do fight in the proxy wars to spread Islam so that everyone will become like Arabs' (which you didn't put any evidence at all). This is obviously a flawed reasoning. No one is going to war in the purpose so that everyone will eat, drink, etc. like Arabs. Again, I will dismiss this kind of argument immediately.

No one is afraid of your flawed reasoning.


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Post time 20-7-2014 12:52 PM | Show all posts
by mashimaru83

He didn't create Al-Quran as what you have pointed out, ...


And yet, the evidence shows YOU ARE WRONG. The basics for Al Quran is Torah and the Bible - therefore, he stole ideas from Judaism and Christianity. Then he just added whatever that comes along later. By this standards, it shows that Al Quran is not new but something made by a man based on sources already exists (Torah and the Bible).

No one is going to war in the purpose so that everyone will eat, drink, etc. like Arabs.


This is a statement of a frog that lives in a nutshell. Stupid boy - every war that had been fought in the last TWO THOUSAND YEARS was to others will eat, drink etc like another (conquering) tribe.

When Romans invaded Mediteraneans and Eastern Europe, they spread their belief and lifestyle to these people. When Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan spread to the West, they also spread their influence to many parts of Asia - which include Muslims in India who took the name Moghuls and to this day, calls themselves Khans. When Christians in 1700 - 1900s spread to Asia, they had the mindset to convert Asians to their way of living and systems like Apatheid and Divide and Conquer rule was just two of such example.

WHAT make you think Islam is so special? NOTHING. Islam is not a religion but just an excuse used by the Arabs to push stupid non-Arabic muslims (like yourself) to fight and spread Arabic ways across the World - just like the Romans, Mongolians and every other barbaric and warmongering races.

Problem here is not my understanding, it is your ignorant to accept the Facts.
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