Singapore playing Newater card.

ariyamusafir

2. Malaysia has lost its rights to review the price of water.

Singapore: "(Malaysia) insisted that they had the right to review the price of current water, while we pointed out that they had lost their right of review..." (Statement by Professor S. Jayakumar, Singapore's Minister for Foreign Affairs, in the Singapore Parliament on Jan 25, 2003.) "The Public Utilities Board, as the successor-in-title to the City Council of the state of Singapore in relation to the above Agreements, does not accept that the Government of the State of Johor is entitled to seek the reviews referred to in your letters." (PUB letter dated Oct 9, 2002, in reply to the Johor Government's letter dated Aug 14,2002.) Malaysia: Singapore has repeatedly claimed that Malaysia has lost the right to review the price of water because Malaysia failed to do so in 1986 and 1987 respectively, exactly 25 years after the date of the two Water Agreements of 1961 and 1962.

In fact, Clause 17 of the 1961 Agreement and Clause 14 of the 1962 Agreement state clearly: "The provisions of paragraphs (i) and (ii) of the foregoing clause of these presents shall be subject to review after the expiry of 25 years from the date of these presents ..." Twenty-five years after 1961 and 1962 respectively means any time after 1986 and 1987. This does not mean the review must take place immediately on these two dates. Any time after 1986 and 1987, both sides are legally permitted to review the price

ariyamusafir

Go back to page 6,7, and 8 to read the whole thing Debmey!!!!

Debmey

How do yu ppl justify RM3 per 1000 gallons? Please explain.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 07:09:
How do yu ppl justify RM3 per 1000 gallons? Please explain.

How you people justify 3 Malaysian sen per 1000 gallon and also that we have laost our rights to review when we have not lost it??????

ariyamusafir

You have to know that these prices will last for 25 years. Prices are on the rise and by ten years times, things would have gone up double the current price. 1000 gallon, not just 100 cubic metres nor 10 gallons nor 100 gallons friend!!!!

Debmey

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 2004-3-24 12:38 PM:



How you people justify 3 Malaysian sen per 1000 gallon and also that we have laost our rights to review when we have not lost it??????

It was agreed by both parties.
So, how do yu justify RM3/1000 gallons?

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 13:09:


It was agreed by both parties.
So, how do yu justify RM3/1000 gallons?

and it was agreed that after 25 years, we can review the price as prices of things would be very different after that period of time. During the 60's with RM 1 you can buy good food. No, you want to buy good food, at least RM 2. Get what I mean????

Debmey

So how do you justify 3 sens verse RM3 after 25 years? Is Msian inflation 100 % over this time period? Surely not. So how did yu come up with an RM3 price, tahst what we like to know. If your case is good and justified, we will pay RM3/1000 gallon.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 16:33:
So how do you justify 3 sens verse RM3 after 25 years? Is Msian inflation 100 % over this time period? Surely not. So how did yu come up with an RM3 price, tahst what we like to know. If your case  ...

Oh sorry, after 25 years, we have the right to review at the price we deem fit. ALso, you must know, 1000 gallon for RM 3, mind you, not S$3. Also, RM0.30 not S$0.30. Is it worth the price or not???????? 1000 gallon of water woh!!! You go buy a bottle of treated water 500ml already more than RM 1. Assume you take of the processing fee, assume RM 0.30 without the cleaning process, RM 0.30 for only 500ml. Logic or not????

Debmey

it must be reasonable and fair and a 100 times increase doesn't look like it.
You gotta make a better case, your case is very weak.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 18:08:
it must be reasonable and fair and a 100 times increase doesn't look like it.
You gotta make a better case, your case is very weak.

Ohhh... so sorry, my case is very strong. 1000 gallons for 3 Malaysian sen is too little and also 1000 gallon for RM 3 is also too little. It has been more about 40years now and last time with less than RM 1, you can have a nice meal. Now, you can oinly get a nice meal for RM 2, that is at certain states. In KL, RM 3.50, is also not enough to fill me stomach.

ALso, I leave it to my WISE PRIME MINISTER, His excellency Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. Sure, will get a good price, after all, the agreement is going to lapse. My government is consiedered very tolerant and understanding. If it was other head of state, I believe once the agreement lapse, they will not want to sell water to you people. Your government is making big $$$$ by buying our water at extremely cheap price and selling it to you guys at a very high price.

Debmey

How can it be too little when it costs you nothing?
Since yu said that inflation of a meal went from RM1 to RM3.5, only 3.5 times, so how can yu justify a increase by 100 times? Besides, teh water cost nothing to you. So how can RM3 be a fair praice?

Yor case is very weak man, try harder.

cheers

Acong

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 04:33 PM:
So how do you justify 3 sens verse RM3 after 25 years? Is Msian inflation 100 % over this time period? Surely not. So how did yu come up with an RM3 price, tahst what we like to know. If your case  ...

RM3 per 1000 gallon?! :




hehe! how 'bout USD3 per 100 gallon?! :cak:

Acong

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-3-2004 06:08 PM:
it must be reasonable and fair and a 100 times increase doesn't look like it.
You gotta make a better case, your case is very weak.

well..... goh chok can also opt not to pay by drinking your own urine! :cak:

ariyamusafir

This is for you Debmey!!!!

You see, it doesn't matter rises in 100% or not is justified. The issue is, whether when we have the right to review and when we are reviewing the price, is the price suitable with the present and also taking consideration of is it suitable in the future until the next review in which is the next 25 years.

Debmey

In case you do not know, there is no another 25 years under the contract. Surely you are ignorant of what the contract is all about aren't you?

If you claim that the point of contention is the right to review, why talk abt RM3 per gallon even before yu solved this issue? Very strange isn't it?

And how did Msia came up with this price of RM3 per 1000 gallons in teh first place as a reasonable price?

Acong

water belong to M'sia, the money belong to singapodah. if u dun wan, dun buy lah! :lol

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 25-3-2004 13:36:
In case you do not know, there is no another 25 years under the contract. Surely you are ignorant of what the contract is all about aren't you?

If you claim that the point of contention is the r ...

Wrong!!! More than 25 years has past and it is time we review that issue. Under the agreement we have the right to review it every 25 years and now we are exercising our rights. So, the price we want now is worth the current value and also taking consideration of another 25 years to come.

With your that posting, I can see you are too igorant regarding this issue. You know just a little bit and you talk as though you are the expert. Ho ho ho, you are truely in my opinion, a manipulator and twister of facts indeed. Not bad you are able to last until now. Too bad I am now here and you will not succeed undrr my watch.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Acong at 25-3-2004 14:03:
water belong to M'sia, the money belong to singapodah. if u dun wan, dun buy lah! :lol

Ya lah, the Water is ours and as long as we do not breach our agreement, as long as now we have the rightfor aprice review, we can choose it to sell it at whatever price we want. Don't like it don't buy. Want to buy, keep quiet. Otherwise go back drink clean water treated from s*** water and see us drinking clean treated mountain water.

Debmey

There is only one review under the contract, ie.no such thing as another review after 25 years. Surely yu must be ignorant of the terms of the contract.

How is it that the water cost nothing to you and now yu want to increase price? And how did yu come up with the price of RM3 / 1000 gallon in the first place?

Aren't yu contradicting urself through and through with every post?