Tips berpakaian utk temuduga di syarikat Swasta?

Originally posted by Sheliza at 30-8-2005 11:48 AM

tomel...

masa depan dia tu liza tak rasa nak marah tau...tapi lepas balik cerita ngan adik beradik dorang kata..kenapa laa ko diam jek tak sound dia depan-depan...then kita terkedu balik.

nevermind sheliza.. regard it as ur experience.. maybe next time u got better offer, who knows rite..
mcm saye pun penah experience g interview byk kali, ade gak yg saye fire interviewer tu balik :lol (bkn isu tudung la sbb i'm not wearing it, isu salary biasanye) esp bila saye rasa i wud be rejected or me myself yg tak ingin serve that co

tapi bila dh byk kali g interviews, sumtime tak kuasa jugak nak b'cakap, trus jadi unfeeling, buat muka boring je hehe

Muntz

aku bukan nak kata ler.. selalunya budak yg pakai tudung nie akan jadikan dia bertudung sbg alasan utk tak melakukan kerja2 lasak. tapi kalau bidang marketing macam yg ko cakap tu, aku rasa tudung bukan masalah besar... yg penting, penampilan kena vogue, vast dan menyerlah. kengkadang ader gak company yg prejudis dgn org bertudung nie, so try to speak out! tunjukkan kehebatan ko berkata2... sbb marketing is about influencing other ppl & strategy, jadi perlukan org yg betul2 talkative.

tsunade_sama

Originally posted by Muntz at 1-9-2005 03:04 AM
aku bukan nak kata ler.. selalunya budak yg pakai tudung nie akan jadikan dia bertudung sbg alasan utk tak melakukan kerja2 lasak. tapi kalau bidang marketing macam yg ko cakap tu, aku rasa tudung  ...

Komen dari seorang HR manager," Budak2 melayu ni, asal datang aje interview, pakai baju kurung! Sikit2 pakai baju kurung! Pakaila seluar!"

Komen ni ditujukan kat our group masa interview kat U dulu.. sebab kitaorang semuanya berbaju kurung masa pergi interviuew tu! Inesen la katakan.. Tapi out of 100++, hanya 8-10 ppl yang dapat job tu. Kita salah seorang yang dapat job tu dan dah kerja kat company ni sampai sekarang.. ALHAMDULILLAH..

Tapi bila teringatkan komen HR manager tu, sampai sekarang kita akan nasihatkan kawan2 untuk pakai seluar n kemeja setiap kali ada interview. Mungkin apa yang dia komen tu ada benarnya. Bukan apa, nak tunjukkan profesionalisme kita.. Mungkin dressing membawa markah yang sedikit, tapi mungkin kesan pemakaian kita akan memberi impak kepada interviewer itu.

Any comments?

mesmerize

aku nak suggest pakai laa seluar slack ngan blouse.. takpun pakai long fit skirt ngan blouse.. bagi nampak tak terlalu naive sangat.. pakai baju kurung ni nampak naive dan u look terlalu vulnerable.. gadis melayu ayu punye imej ni bawak masa raya dah le.. eheheh..

fairy_hobbit

Originally posted by mesmerize at 10-9-2005 09:27 PM
aku nak suggest pakai laa seluar slack ngan blouse.. takpun pakai long fit skirt ngan blouse.. bagi nampak tak terlalu naive sangat.. pakai baju kurung ni nampak naive dan u look terlalu vulnerable ...

haa.. this part mmg aku setuju. maybe org tu tak vulnerable tapi bila pakai mcm tu, nampak pulak vulnerable. depends on interviwers jugak la.. maybe some interviewers tak pulak rasa mcm tu. so better be safe coz kita pun tak tau how to judge org yg interview kita. sometimes cant blame the interviewers 100% coz masa interview, 1st impression n personality must be projected as positive as possible, that's how they mostly judge u. time for u to impress the interviewers.

[ Last edited by fairy_hobbit at 11-9-2005 03:44 PM ]

Muntz

yeah.. try to impress them..

lady_nF

hmmm nak tanya nih
pompuan kan kalo nak pakai suar ngan blouse nih
kalo tak pakai blazer orait ke
ke cam influence gak

blouse pompuan kan biasanya pendek kan
so takyah tuck in laa kan

tuethierry

Aku benci la kalau ada kes2 mcm ni. Isu tudung dorang bleh jadikan alasan! If I were in ur shoes, memang dah kena fire org cina tu oleh aku. Takpela..jadikan ni satu pengalaman beharga. Next time kalau jadi lagi mcm ni, dah tau dah nak ck pe. Tapi aku x puas atila dgn company ni, leh tak sheliza pm tuet bagitau ape nama comp tu?
Dont worry, saje nak tau

tuethierry

Originally posted by lady_nF at 5-8-2006 09:26 PM
hmmm nak tanya nih
pompuan kan kalo nak pakai suar ngan blouse nih
kalo tak pakai blazer orait ke
ke cam influence gak

blouse pompuan kan biasanya pendek kan
so takyah tuck in laa kan

Tak yah tuck in, sebab mmg dah pendek dah. Kalau pakai blazer lagi ok, nampak pro sikit and u will automatically feel n look confident

Selama saye pegi interview pun memang ada la diskriminasi sikit2 tapi tu biasa lah if nak keje dgn org kan. For me, I have went to a few interviews with pirvate sector. Yang company kecik- ke MNC. Memang 1st impression is the last, so image is important..

If ade 10 candidates, then short list to 2-3 org, of course they have almost the same credentials, so how you look and the way you answer is important.

But pakaian not the most important lah, if you are a fresh grad, the most important thing they assess is the soft skills coz usually what we learn in UNI tak berapa sangat pakai ler.. so they want to see if you fit to work in the company. Each company ade requirements yang speicfic.

Eventhough I tak pakai tudung, but penah jugak la discriminasi. Tapi I malas nak fight. the interviewr told me dia shortlist about 10 out of 60 applicants and I was the only girl to be called for the interview. Then boleh pula dia tanya, I don't think you can work in this field (engineer-support) as it is mostly guys and you will meet all types of guys and maybe boleh menjejaskan lah..  Dari itu I memang tahu dia tak nak ambik ler tapi saje nak test2 power.. buang masa nyer.. then I just told him frankly, I know I am a girl and I know what to expect from this field as I have already went thru being in university ( dlm uni pun majoriti laki kan) and I know mana batas lah.. Work is work, socialising pun tak lah sampai maner pun kan.. then I jst said that for you to shortlist me, mesti u ader nampak something kan, takan saje2 dia nak buang masa dia and saye buat interview if you don;t thnk i'm able to do the job... Memang I tahu tak dapat ler.. so I tak kesah nak ckp mcm tu..

There was another int, org tu ckp.. i don't see u being able to do the job coz you are bumiputera.. I was... haahh??!! but then I pun rasa malas dah nak jawap interview tu... so I buat selamber jer.. Macam dah nak give up tapi just went thru the whole process..  haha.. minggu depannyer they called me back to offer the post tapi masa tu I tak nak dah.. lagipun ader offer tpt lain..

lady_nF

agree
i think kat mesia nih blom ada sangat law on equal employment
tak macam kat US

being a girl, muslim, bumiputera (and kalo dah kawin lagilaa teruk) in malaysia places u at the lowest spot in the chain
sedeh...padahal yg terer2 tuh kebanyakkan nya perempuan

for example at my area right now
jobs ads mmg byk yang specifically ask for male, chinese (or bahasa kiasannya able to speak mandarin fluently)
kalo kat us mmg dah boleh kena saman dah company camtuh

lady_nF

Originally posted by tuethierry at 6-8-2006 10:01 PM

Tak yah tuck in, sebab mmg dah pendek dah. Kalau pakai blazer lagi ok, nampak pro sikit and u will automatically feel n look confident

thanks...dah try dah the outfit
mmg rasa pelik takde blazer

Kat mesia ni yang patutnye dah globalisasi ader jugak diskriminasi walaupon orang cakap takder.. on my previous post, i mentioned that I went for the intvw. Maybe org tu ingat I chinese coz I look like chinese and have english name. Then bile dah kat sana, org tuh tanya can u speak mandrin/kantonis.. I pon ckp lah walaupun I look like chinese but I don't speak chinese. Then org tuh pun tanya, howcome..  Tak paham rupenya mamat sorang ni... Mesti mamat ni tak pernah gi sabah/sarawak.. sure ingat semua kat sana chinese coz "katak bawah tempurung".

Anyway, not all companies like that..  Its those 1-2 that makes us think, semua macam tuh.. That is why I [refer to work in an MNC. It does not discriminate (walaupon ader tapi tak nampak sgt lah coz mostly boss2 kat situ yg not closed minded).

Tujuan I post ni bukan nak kutuk ker aper but then it is a reality in this country and maybe itu reasonnyer kot ramai yang nak keje gomen coz tak sanggup hadapi diskriminasi.. but then, i depends on the individual. Bagi lenori, I still prefer to work in private sector or semi-gov coz makes u really work hard. I tak leh lah kalau keje yg jenis slow.. seronok dpt keje in a fast paced environment..

Ninz

macamana dgn rambut pulak
kalau rambut panjang biar saje atau kena ikat mcm ponytail tu ker
atau buat bun/sanggul ke..?

Psal pakai tudung tu I penah kena gak mase interview ngan satu bank untuk jawatan Executive, kitorang kene gi training kat Singapore utk 6 bulan so i.viewer tu tanye soalan yang same cam sheliza kene psal tudung tu ... pastu I bagitau yang tudung tu memang daily wearing tapi ia bukan penghalang dalam pekerjaan .... pastu i.viewer to sound lah yang pekerjaan ni tak sesuai untuk org pakai tudung sebab sbg Executive bank kite kene gak gi pub ke karaoke ke dengan pelanggan.. so takkan nak masuk pub pakai tudung...jadi dia tanya I sanggup tak nak tanggal tudung demi kepentingan syarikat....

So I bagitau lah I ade prinsip takkan gadaikan agama untuk kepentingan syarikat tapi nak entertain customer tak semestinya di pub sahaja sbb, banyak lagi cara lain seperti bla2.....dan scope kerja I tak termasuk untuk entertained customer sebab jawatan tu bukan untuk Marketing .... tapi dia kata during training kat s'pore tu kene jugak gi pub ke ngan bos2....

tapi dia tetap reject I dan for sure I rase sebb tudung tu...

Dimind

pakaian pada aku sangat penting masa i'view.... aku penah kene sound dgn i'viewer xpakai stokin.... masa tuh hujan stokin aku basah and aku naik moto.... so aku cakap laa.... tp aku xdpt gak keje tuh....  aku syukur xdpt kerja tuh... pasal klu aku dpt kerja tuh aku xdpt kerja skrg nieh, kerja skrg nie lebih baik dan gaji lebih besar.... rezki dr ALLAH....  

bercerita pengalaman cari kerja.... aku penah g i'view d sebuah company nieh....company besar.... 3org i'viewer 2 cina sorg japanese.... i'view berjalan dengan lancar dlm bi.... dia org tanyer aku jawap.... si jepun tuh pun pandai bi.. tp aku susah nak paham sgt... lebih kurang macam nak abis... cina2 tuh cakap.... peluang awak cerah klu pandai berbahasa mandarin...... xbole nak salah diorg gak.... sebab ada gak project kat taiwan and china..... tp aku masa tuh xpk... sebab muda kan... so aku geram laa.... aku pun mula cakap dlm bahasa jepun... aku ada belajar sket2.... tp xfasih sgt laa.... si jepun tuh suka.... aku cakap benda2 yg basic jerk..... si jepun tuh pun balas cakap bahasa jepun kat aku..... aku pun paham sket2 jerk... sengih2 angguk2..... si cina macam bengang... diorg xpaham aper2 agak nyer..... si jepun tuh berdiri ckap aku leh kuar... angguk2 dua tiga kali... aku salam si jepun tuh.... dia keluar dgn aku..... selang seminggu diorg call ckp aku diterima keje.....aku kerja setahun.... xlarat kene perah.... kesimpulannyer.... bahasa asing penting.... xpandai pun xper... bt2 la macam pandai..... hehe... gud luck....

Originally posted by Dimind at 27-8-2006 01:14 PM
pakaian pada aku sangat penting masa i'view.... aku penah kene sound dgn i'viewer xpakai stokin.... masa tuh hujan stokin aku basah and aku naik moto.... so aku cakap laa.... tp aku xdpt gak keje t ...

Yes, i agree at you. That's what i wanna tell all of you that learning more languages is very important when you are finding a job. If you know more languages , that's an advantage for you and make you be more competitive than others. And the company who require someone who know mandarin or whatever languages , that's becuase most of their customers speak in that particular language, it's not racist at all. People (malay) always misunderstand this.

And what i suggest for those interviewees, it would better if you wear in suit as it makes you  more professional. And that impresses the interviewer.

Comment from a chinese.

Good Luck for all interviewees.  :love:

lady_nF

Originally posted by Leanne at 27-8-2006 05:31 PM


Yes, i agree at you. That's what i wanna tell all of you that learning more languages is very important when you are finding a job. If you know more languages , that's an advantage for you and  ...

not really.
i still think it's a racism
as i said...it's all about equal opportunity

i dont think there's a company that required the applicant to know how to speak malay, or  indian...
so why does there's some required others to speak chinese.
hey...i have nothing againts chinese...my mom is full blooded chinese
all i want is to people to know it is soooo wrong and unfair to put mandarin as a requirement
even if they want mandarin speaking person, the company itself have to pay for the classes and all that...but they will not do so
so that's why i see that as racism

for example, if i know how to speak italian....does it matter??NO

macademia

pada mac..... interviewer look at 1st impression and confidence level...

so NEVER go for interview pakai baju kurung, I would recommend blouse and tailored pants or pant suit. Confidence level must be high.... JANGAN malu..... must be able to speak fluently in english..... must know your work scope inside out......

HAri tu ada this girl datang interview sebagai Engineer. When she was asked.... tell us about yourself..... dia jawab....err..... boleh cakap melayu tak?  (Terus dalam hati kata... gone casela budak ni... takleh tolong.... datang interview kat MNC.... keliling mat salleh.... takkan basic english pun tak tau.....)

Originally posted by lady_nF at 28-8-2006 10:48 AM


not really.
i still think it's a racism
as i said...it's all about equal opportunity

i dont think there's a company that required the applicant to know how to speak malay, or  indian...
s ...

Alright , if you still cannot get my point, then let twist ur role and see it clear.

Firstly, you have to know that ur responsibilities to be a boss. What you can contribute to the company and make the profit. All the boss want is PROFIT. What contribute to make profit is EFFECTIVENESS & EFFECIENCY.

If you are the employer, and ur customers are mainly from China and Taiwan or chinese background, so what would you do to impress them?

Don't forget about making PROFIT is the main purpose of doing business. You are not doing a CHARITY. You need money to carry on ur business, to pay the employees, the material cost, the overheads and etc.

even if they want mandarin speaking person, the company itself have to pay for the classes and all that...but they will not do so

Don't forget the TIME & COST. Hire a person who doesnt know Mandarin. You need time and money to train them. And the results is unforseeable. Do you think that learning a language is so easy and especially CHINESE? And there is another issue, the EFFECTIVENESS. Could the customers wait for your employee finish traning then just come to you ? NO WAY!

We look into globalisation. The private companies have right to require the candidates know whatever language,  profession or techniques. I don't see any racism issue here.

If you wanna talk about racist, just make it clear what is racist.

If i wanna work in government sector  or local U, am i qualified if i dont speak Malay?