Wives of Prophet Muhammad

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-19 11:57 AM:
RM2.44 million ad yu wanna boast.
Do you know that Singapore spent hundreds of millions?

What in the world are you talking about????????

Debmey

Ad all I see is Kennkid whitewashing and in denial.He never offered any counter arguments in justifying Mo's morality in having multiple sex partners.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-19 12:21 PM:
Ad all I see is Kennkid whitewashing and in denial.He never offered any counter arguments in justifying Mo's morality in having multiple sex partners.

You can delete what you said about RM2. something  million but it remains in what I quoted from you. What were you talking about??????

No need for me to whitewash or deny. The fact stands for itself:

Anyone who is a believer and practices Islam and the Muslim way of life: prayers, fasting, and the other 3 pillars of Islam and tries his/her best to follow the livelihood of the holy prophet to his/her best will know for certain that what those who disbelieve/those who do not practise Islam say about the prophet (as exemplified by the likes of Debmey) is altogether absurd and impossible.




[ Last edited by KENNKID on 19-7-2004 at 12:31 PM ]

Debmey

You don't believe but its all in the Quran and hadiths.
You don't believe these books?
Seems like your faith is not founded on these books then but on a culture of indoctrination.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-19 12:50 PM:
You don't believe but its all in the Quran and hadiths.
You don't believe these books?
Seems like your faith is not founded on these books then but on a culture of indoctrination.

The Qur'an and the authentic hadith are for the practitioners of Islam to read and to follow. They are also for honest researchers to refer to for knowledge.

However, 'knowledge' for the intention of deviating what is researched is the 'knowledge' of fools and the followers of satan. You belong to this category for you have no good intention in your heart. There is no harm in a christian reading them. He does not have to manipulate and ridicule them  or make fun of them or chide them if he is confident and secured that his religion is true. You have no such confidence or sense of security and we don't blame you for that.

You can only achieve a temporary sense of false confidence in your religion by mocking at others.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 19-7-2004 at 02:34 PM ]

Sephiroth

by KENNKID

Surah 4 verse 3

If ye fear that ye shall not able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not able to deal justly (with them) then only one.... that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice

I have put in bold above the most important part of the verse that Seph pasted.

That is why, in this day and age where there are too few men and women who are steadfastly religious, who are God fearing and are not selfish, polygamy will only do more harm than good. There are of course a few exceptions.

Which means more men end up doing bad things because of polygamy rather than good.

Isn't it better if your religion bans such practise instead of opening itself to oppurtunity that men will be "fair" to others? ;)

Still, the Muslim man, having indulged in sinful adulterous actvities in this westernised environment that he lives in should repent and marry those women whom he has irresponsibly 'seduced', if they are willing. If they are not willing to be his wife than there is nothing he can do about it but break off the sinful relationship and repent and build his own existing marriage in a responsible manner, according to God's command.

Nonsense ... this "westernized" environment appeared the last 50 years or so as the direct results of Western colonizations in Asia. It is not a good excuse to use for marrying 4 wives which you people practise for the last 1,400 years.

However ... WHO fault is it for a Man to go and seduce a woman?

Is it your logical and rationalization to say that man who seduce another woman (including by force when a woman do not wish to indulge in such practise) can "fix" the situation by marrying her?

Will such marriage last? No ... do you know WHY? Because such man who seduce another when he has a wife at home will do so AGAIN to another woman. Is your religion giving such a man a green light to seduce up to four women? And more, assume he could divorce the 1st one and remarry another? ;)

And isn't according to Syariah Laws that a person (who is married) who perform sexual conduct BEFORE marriage IS considered adultery and MUST be stoned?

I know that couple who are not married are canned 100 times. Is the punishment of stoning only perserved for females and not males?

If she/they agree to be his wife/wives, then  he should, after marriage, bear the responsibility of giving them full rights as wives, in every sense of the word.   

Nonsense ... you think such person who could seduce a woman could be a good husband and father and a good Muslims? :no:

Your statement above is like saying the woman to give herself to a sex fiend just because he managed to get his hands into her skirts. ;) If you ask me, I will stoned him half to death THEN marry him to her.

Compared to him, his non-Muslim 'adultery prone' counterparts will of course abandon those women and bear no responsibility as a responsible human being should bear or continue leading irresponsible lives in irresponsible life-long adulterous relationship, causing remorse to his own existing family.

Watch it Muslim ... UNLESS you have proof of such nonsense, do NOT simply talk. :no:

Yes, Non-Muslims (Indians mostly) do marry more than one but that is very very rare and there is hardly ANY problems in the family.

Do you know WHY? Because family ties between families are stronger than in any society. The family of the wife and husband will continue to monitor them and help them throughout their lives, UNLIKE Muslims society where elder generations usually live separately.

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 2004-7-19 03:05 PM:
by KENNKID

Surah 4 verse 3

If ye fear that ye shall not able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not able to de ...

Debmey's savior, Sephiroth,  has given him a sigh of relief.

I don't think I have to answer them one by one as they are already pretty self-explanatory.

However let me share with you this fact:

Polygamy

"In fact, Polygamy is least practiced by Muslims of India. Hindus, Jains, Buddhists-all have higher per cent of polygamy.

Tribals 15.25%

Buddhists 7.97%

Jains 6.72%

Hindus 5.8%

Muslims 5.7%"

http://www.geocities.com/adnan025/polygamy.html

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 19-7-2004 at 03:46 PM ]

jinakji

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-7-2004 03:05 PM:

Which means more men end up doing bad things because of polygamy rather than good.

Ken, Seph, Deb there is somethign for you to think :

1. IS POLYGAMY BAD THINGS?
2. IF YES, FROM WHOSE PERSPECTIVE?
3. IF NO, WHY BOTHER?
4. THEN, THE PERSON WHO ACCEPT POLYGAMY IS HE SHARED THE SAME PERSPECTIVE AS YOURS?

My first answer

1. NO
2. NOT APPLICABLE
3. NOT BOTHERING
4. YES, MO IS A MUSLIM, AND FROM ISLAM PERSPECTIVE MO CAN MARRIED MORE THAN ONE. THAT NOT WORNG IN ISLAM.

My second answer.

1. YES
2. CHRISTIAN
3. NOT APPLICABLE
4. NO, MO IS A MUSLIM, WAT HE DID IS NOT RIGHT FROM CHRIST PERSECTIVE BUT AGAIN HE NOT A CHRISTION. SO THE POLYGAMY IS ONLY WRONG IF PRACTISED BY CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM LIKE MO.

Sephiroth

by KENNKID

Debmey's savior, Sephiroth,  has given him a sigh of relief.

I don't think I have to answer them one by one as they are already pretty self-explanatory.

In another word ... You CAN'T explain anything. ;)

However let me share with you this fact:

Polygamy

"In fact, Polygamy is least practiced by Muslims of India. Hindus, Jains, Buddhists-all have higher per cent of polygamy.

Tribals 15.25%

Buddhists 7.97%

Jains 6.72%

Hindus 5.8%

Muslims 5.7%"

http://www.geocities.com/adnan025/polygamy.html

Facts? HAHAHAHAHAHA .... Try calling it a fiction.

Long ago, I have learnt that anything that comes out from a Muslim website most likely to be a lie and an act to kiss Muhammad's a$$, so simply attempt to show off Male ego by promoting stupid things like polygamy.

Sephiroth

by jinakji

Ken, Seph, Deb there is somethign for you to think :

1. IS POLYGAMY BAD THINGS?
2. IF YES, FROM WHOSE PERSPECTIVE?
3. IF NO, WHY BOTHER?
4. THEN, THE PERSON WHO ACCEPT POLYGAMY IS HE SHARED THE SAME PERSPECTIVE AS YOURS?

My first answer

1. NO
2. NOT APPLICABLE
3. NOT BOTHERING
4. YES, MO IS A MUSLIM, AND FROM ISLAM PERSPECTIVE MO CAN MARRIED MORE THAN ONE. THAT NOT WORNG IN ISLAM.

My second answer.

1. YES
2. CHRISTIAN
3. NOT APPLICABLE
4. NO, MO IS A MUSLIM, WAT HE DID IS NOT RIGHT FROM CHRIST PERSECTIVE BUT AGAIN HE NOT A CHRISTION. SO THE POLYGAMY IS ONLY WRONG IF PRACTISED BY CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM LIKE MO.

Why don't I put this polygamy business in a new perspective :

1. Is Polygamy a bad thing?

Answer :-

1. Yes, Depends on situation. A couple who have no children CAN allow the husband to marry more than one IF it is medically proven that the wife is not capable of having children. The marriage must be conducted with the agreement by the wife, NOT but the husband.

2. NO, ANY man who has NO other reasons other than as an act of Lust marries more than one.

Any man who is married but seduces another woman for his own sexual desires should be stoned to death just like what stated in Syariah Laws. The woman is not the only one who should be stoned but men also.


Any other reasons for polygamy about this redeems that the practise is a BAD thing in a society because it will promote sex fiends who more concentrate in screw women up rather than making sure their family is well taken care off.


2. If Yes, whose perspective?

Answer - ASK any children whose father have left them for another women and you will know their pains.


4. If No, why bother?

Answer - because MEN who are faithless (just like Adam ;) ), are sexually driven and people like this will never be satisfied.

My suggestion ... STONE them. They better off serve the ground as fertilizers than screwing up other people's lives.


5. Then, the person who accept polygamy, is he shared the same perspective as yours?

Answer : What nonsense are you talking about? :lol

How can you think that a person who is faithful to his spouse and his family have the same perspective as someone who cruise around the nightclubs, Dangdut clubs and kareoke lounge looking for potential "wives"?

jinakji

Thank Seph for ur perspective on polygamy. Good one from your way you look at polygamy. But that from your perspective, but kid & dar have their own way to look at it. So why bother to impose your way to look at something to anyone else?

Why don't I put this polygamy business in a new perspective :

1 & 2. Any other reasons for polygamy about this redeems that the practise is a BAD thing in a society because it will promote sex fiends who more concentrate in screw women up rather than making sure their family is well taken care off.

My next question : So if a society where no polygamy so sure their family is well taken care off meh?
       
3. Answer - ASK any children whose father have left them for another women and you will know their pains.

My next question : Have you ever ASK any wives whose shared a husband but still live their life in happiness ever after? And also ASK any childrens whose father have left them for another women (left one woman to another doesn’t suit polygamy).

4. Answer - because MEN who are faithless (just like Adam), are sexually driven and people like this will never be satisfied. My suggestion ... STONE them. They better off serve the ground as fertilizers than screwing up other people's lives.

My next question : No question..yup ur right kill all men who are sexually driven... includes men who are married bcoz of sex, homosexual, rapist & dont forget internet surfer who surf porno sites  ..:bgrin:  yup kill 'em all

5. Then, the person who accept polygamy, is he shared the same perspective as yours?
Answer : What nonsense are you talking about?

My nonsense is : Do you think what is wrong for you is wrong for everibodi AND what is right for u is right for everibodi?


BTW, I SUPPORT 1 HUSBAND 1 WIVE CAMPAIGN..1 ENUFF LAAAA...

[ Last edited by jinakji on 19-7-2004 at 06:29 PM ]

Debmey

So muslims are in fact pegging themselves against the immorality of others and it somehow makes them feel better. Why don't they compare with us Christians? And i very much doubt those figures from kennkid. All buddhist countries outlaw polygamy, so how can buddhist be more polygamous than muslims?

DARSITA

Status of Slave Women in Islam

Islam and Slavery  

[ Last edited by DARSITA on 19-7-2004 at 03:37 PM ]

DARSITA

Originally posted by Debmey at 19-7-04 06:06 AM:
So muslims are in fact pegging themselves against the immorality of others and it somehow makes them feel better. Why don't they compare with us Christians? And i very much doubt those figures from ...

Debmey, all civilisations have participated in the slavery. But what you do? keep quiet right? and only air your concerns against Islam

Genesis 9:25-27: "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave.' "

:no:

Debmey

Maybe, but most civilizations don't practice slavery today but muslims still do and the rest of the muslim world keeps quiet about it. Thats the whole problem.

Sephiroth

by jinakji

My next question : So if a society where no polygamy so sure their family is well taken care off meh?

Then Muslims are hipocrits. ;)
They make promise to a woman that they will take care them and their children, screws around and when they are satisfied or when they find another woman willing to be screwed around, they abandon their family and move to another woman.

In my perspective, they are no different than Westerners who pick girls in single's bar. ;)

My next question : Have you ever ASK any wives whose shared a husband but still live their life in happiness ever after? And also ASK any childrens whose father have left them for another women (left one woman to another doesn抰 suit polygamy).  

IF women are happy to share their husband and live life like in a harem, then WHY is there a movement such as I Husband, 1 Wife campaign? The answer - Women do NOT like to share husband. They are not sex fiends like Muslim men.

AND why must the children suffer because of the family dispute (usually because of Men not been allowed to sleep around)? Are you saying that children who did nothing should be punished also because of their mothers?

My next question : No question..yup ur right kill all men who are sexually driven... includes men who are married bcoz of sex, homosexual, rapist & dont forget internet surfer who surf porno sites  ..  yup kill 'em all  

Yup ... maybe then this society with a few people it left could live in peace.

My nonsense is : Do you think what is wrong for you is wrong for everibodi AND what is right for u is right for everibodi?

IF you kept your crap within the four walls of your home, I couldn't give a damn on how Muslims live their lives. To hell with them for all I care.
But YOUR problems are leaking into the society which you share and stinking up the place.

In 1980s, the highest percentage of drug addicts and people who return to the habit IS Muslims. Government do not want to embarrass the Muslim society so by 1990s, they have stop showing the figures.

In 1980s and 1990s, the highest number of divorce and sexual-related cases ARE from Muslims society - ranging adultery all the way to baby dumping. Nowadays, Muslims know how to use condoms already. ;)

And there still a LOT of divorce cases in Syariah courts still waiting to be tried. ;)

BTW, I SUPPORT 1 HUSBAND 1 WIVE CAMPAIGN..1 ENUFF LAAAA...

Then you are a hypocrit.

jinakji

by Seph...

"they abandon their family and move to another woman"

Is it only applicable on polygamy & muslems. How about christians, buddhist, atheis who they abandon their family and move to another woman? From ur posting I see only muslem abandon their family and move to another woman & the rest of the world not abandon their family and move to another woman.

"IF women are happy to share their husband and live life like in a harem"

If the women are happy so what? U live your life for what? Not for happiness? Or for Muslem women happiness?

"WHY is there a movement such as I Husband, 1 Wife campaign"

You can get the detils in Sisters In Islam website.

"In 1980s, the highest percentage of drug addicts and people who return to the habit IS Muslims. Government do not want to embarrass the Muslim society so by 1990s, they have stop showing the figures"

So if I show u statistic from Republic of China, can I say that buddhist is bad? I wont do that!

"Then you are a hypocrit"

Yes u are correct! This the 1st time u give fact! btw, u already said earlier muslems are hipocrite.

Sephiroth

by jinakji

Is it only applicable on polygamy & muslems. How about christians, buddhist, atheis who they abandon their family and move to another woman? From ur posting I see only muslem abandon their family and move to another woman & the rest of the world not abandon their family and move to another woman.

Do Buddhist, Hindus or even Atheist (who have the most right since they are not attached to any religion) walk around stating they could perform Polygamy because they are allowed by their religion?

NO, IF they marry more than one (which do happen sometimes due to the facts like wanting children), it is based on BOTH husband, wife and the 2nd Wife to be's agreement. Such man WILL NOT abandon his families no matter what.

Christians are least people who should be bothered about polygamy because their pre-nuptial sex activities are something of a norm in their society, especially in the West. ONLY a few handful of christians in countries like Malaysia awaits till marriage to perform sex (as accordance to their religion).

BUT ONLY Muslims goes around stating that they perform polygamy because of their religion and ONLY Muslims society have problems with polygamy like man abandoning his family.

If the women are happy so what? U live your life for what? Not for happiness? Or for Muslem women happiness?

They are NOT happy, otherwise there will NOT be 1 husband 1 wife campaign - PERIOD.

And future will show that such women who are fooled by men into sleeping with them with such notion of marriage, ONLY to find that they (Men) already married WILL be dragged to the court and charge. Syariah Laws are JOKE because it was made by Men to control their harems.

And what I live for is NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS.

So if I show u statistic from Republic of China, can I say that buddhist is bad? I wont do that!

Moron ... is China a Buddhist country? ;) Ever heard of Communist country before?

Why don't you dig info. on real Buddhist countries like Korea (South), Japan, Indochina and Thailand?

Yes u are correct! This the 1st time u give fact! btw, u already said earlier muslems are hipocrite.

Good ... Muslims are hipocrite. Acceptable truths.

jinakji

They are NOT happy, otherwise there will NOT be 1 husband 1 wife campaign - PERIOD.

HAVE YOU EVER ASK THE WIVES WHO ARE SHARED THE HUSBAND AND LIVE HAPPILY?

I WANT TO ASK U : HOW ABOUT RESTRICTED MEN/WOMEN TO EVER MARRY IN THEIR LIFE? BAD OR NOT? AND RESTRICT THEM FROM HAVING SEX FROM THEIR WHOLE LIFE, AGAINST HUMAN NATURE OR NOT?

Is it related to polygamy. Yes from my POV. Both bcoz of religous?

[ Last edited by jinakji on 20-7-2004 at 11:04 AM ]

Sephiroth

by jinakji

HAVE YOU EVER ASK THE WIVES WHO ARE SHARED THE HUSBAND AND LIVE HAPPILY?

No, I have NEVER asked any wives who shared their husbands because they are too embarrased to reveal themselves in public.

And No, because they are not happy that their husbands are in arms of another woman.

You show me an example of an happily married woman who is sharing her husband with someone else.

There is not one in Political field and in entertainment field, actresses rather divorce their husbands rather than "dimadu". There have been several cases of such with Malay actresses.

In real life, I have YET to meet anyone (man) who claimed that they are married to more than one spouse. OR woman who said she willing to be "madu" by another woman.

I WANT TO ASK U : HOW ABOUT RESTRICTED MEN/WOMEN TO EVER MARRY IN THEIR LIFE? BAD OR NOT!

Is it related to polygamy. Yes from my POV. Both bcoz of religous?

I don't understand what you are saying. Explain.