~MERGED~ History Turkey: Atarturk/Ottoman and Empire

fly_in_d_sky

wow .. banyaknyer maklumat
baru seminggu Fly tak masuk board nih
ada yg tambah ..
bagus2 ...
Fly baru sempat baca satu post ..
esok lusa .. Fly sambung lagi

Andrea ... jgn lupa terangkan pasal Mustafa ....
thanks ...

fly_in_d_sky

Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 31-10-2003 09:56 AM:
weh, timacih la psl penerangan yg terlampau leba tue..

ko igt tak tahun 2000, ada gempa bumi di turki, masa tue turki di bawah
necmettin erbakan...erks?

masjid tue tak roboh plaks, erk...sed ...

a ah .. sungguh tak sangka ... masjid tu tak roboh ...
sebb aper yer? adakah sebb kekuasaan Allah nak tunjukkan sesuatu??

midyie

kat turki ada tarian gelek versi xrated , majalah lucah di jual tepi2 jalan ajer , tepi ader tayang gamabr blue ajer.. itulah tanda kemajuan kut

marquez

Tapi Turki juga ada sasterwan bertaraf dunia spt Orhan Pamuk dan Yasher Kamal... macam banyak negara di dunia ni yang baik dan buruk seiringan, terserahlah mana yang kita pilih...

mbhcsf

salam.
boleh saya tahu tarian Turki yg dancernya wearing those  flair red skirt yg pusing-pusing tu dipanggil apa?
kalau ade gambaq boleh paste dak?
blessyou.
Thanks

yg org laki  dance tu ke? yg pakai terabus tu ke? tak silap ada kuar kat jejak rasul. tarian sunni tak silap kops.
Btw deaf4ever, ggod fact. Kops pernah baca ucapan tersebut.Tapi tak silap kops ada satu kawasan di bosnia, yg tak diserang oleh serbia disebabkan penduduknya yg kuat beriman.Mereka mengajar anak2 mereka mengaji, berpuasa dan semayang tak pernah miss.
Pasal turki tu, siapa rajin korang cari la newspaper lama tak silap kops berita harian. Masjid yg terselamat itu, mmg ajaib. menar sekeliling masjid tersebut roboh.Hancur. tapi masjid tu cam biasa je. cuma nampak buruk je sebab cat nya dah luntur.
ingat masa dgr ceramah ustazah nurislam, di sebuah kepulauan indonesia, masa gunung berapi meletup, lahar nya melimpah memusnahkan sebuah pekan.Penduduknyya mati dalam dosa .Pekannya dipenuhi dgn rumah pelacuran dan arumah arak, semuanya lebur dek oleh lah.tapi ditepi gunung tu ada sebuah pondok mengajar agama .yg pelik nya lahar tersebut tak lebur kan pondok tersebut.pelikkan?

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2003-11-3 11:48 PM:
salam.
boleh saya tahu tarian Turki yg dancernya wearing those  flair red skirt yg pusing-pusing tu dipanggil apa?
kalau ade gambaq boleh paste dak?
blessyou.
Thanks

yang dekat iran tue tarian lain, kot..?

tapi kalo tarian laki, pakai topi panjang, pusing2 sambil tangan diangkat sedikit nama dia
"tarian sema"---macam dlm iklan celcom, tu kan..?

dia ada unsur ritual,dan mistik  dimana lebih kurg ngn tarian dabus di perak dan endang di negeri sembilan..

tarian nie biasa diadakan oleh mevlevi atau adalah pengikut mevlana (maulana jalaludin ruumi)

tarian ini ditarikan makin lama makin pantas, so pengikut2nya, akan  mencapaisatu peringkat yang tinggi atau lebih baik..sambil dlm masa yg sama kegembiraan atau ectasy mereka masih terkawal..

Originally posted by fly_in_d_sky at 2003-11-3 03:48 AM:
wow .. banyaknyer maklumat
baru seminggu Fly tak masuk board nih
ada yg tambah ..
bagus2 ...
Fly baru sempat baca satu post ..
esok lusa .. Fly sambung lagi

Andrea ... jgn lupa terangkan p ...

sambung, jgn x sambung..miss fly..

kita dh dpt maksud Mustafa--iaitu yang terpilih..

ala..dlm selawat nabi kiter pun ada sebut..

dalam lagu Assalamualaikum "rabbani pun ada sebut..

"ahmad al- mustafa sayyidill mursalin."

Originally posted by The Kops at 2003-11-5 09:48 AM:
yg org laki  dance tu ke? yg pakai terabus tu ke? tak silap ada kuar kat jejak rasul. tarian sunni tak silap kops.
Btw deaf4ever, ggod fact. Kops pernah baca ucapan tersebut.Tapi tak silap kops ada satu kawasan di bosnia, yg tak diserang oleh serbia disebabkan penduduknya yg kuat beriman.Mereka mengajar anak2 mereka mengaji, berpuasa dan semayang tak pernah miss.
Pasal turki tu, siapa rajin korang cari la newspaper lama tak silap kops berita harian. Masjid yg terselamat itu, mmg ajaib. menar sekeliling masjid tersebut roboh.Hancur. tapi masjid tu cam biasa je. cuma nampak buruk je sebab cat nya dah luntur.
ingat masa dgr ceramah ustazah nurislam, di sebuah kepulauan indonesia, masa gunung berapi meletup, lahar nya melimpah memusnahkan sebuah pekan.Penduduknyya mati dalam dosa .Pekannya dipenuhi dgn rumah pelacuran dan arumah arak, semuanya lebur dek oleh lah.tapi ditepi gunung tu ada sebuah pondok mengajar agama .yg pelik nya lahar tersebut tak lebur kan pondok tersebut.pelikkan?

pasal masjid tue, tu dulu gereja, Cathederal sophia, atau aya sophia, ada dipanggil blue mosque, sebab kaler dia biru, (blue iznik tilework nyer)terutamanya kubah dia..
sebenarnya, ada sebab tertentu, mengapa kubah itu dibina separa bulat...aku tok ler phm sgt bab2 architecture,..
ia terkenal dengan 6 menara, ada nama turkinyer cikgu aku gietau..tapi dah lupa...
kemudian masa pemerintahan sultan ahmed, dia telah membina menukarkan  gerejer itu kepada masjid..

antara masjid yg populer lagi mcm ulu cami, yg dibina oleh bayazid yildrim. dan masjid selimiyye..9sultan salim I)

ingat masa dgr ceramah ustazah nurislam,

tgk tak c9, ada ustaz Indon dijemput tue..
itu ker ustaz Nur salam tue?
tak silap aku dia ada kes, sikit..beberapa tahun  lalu..

[ Last edited by Andrea_Pirlo on 5-11-2003 at 05:50 PM ]

deaf4ever

Pasal turki tu, siapa rajin korang cari la newspaper lama tak silap kops berita harian. Masjid yg terselamat itu, mmg ajaib. menar sekeliling masjid tersebut roboh.Hancur. tapi masjid tu cam biasa je. cuma nampak buruk je sebab cat nya dah luntur.

Gambar kat bahagian bawah.

Kepada semua pembaca cari forum,
aku dah jumpa website bahasa omputeh paling best. http://islamicweb.com/resources/earthquacke_turkey.htm

Ikut website ni, ada beberapa pemimpin Islam yang katakan gempa bumi ni adalah balasan bagi sebuah party kat tepi pantai di sebuah naval base tentera laut Turkey.
3000 orang hadir. 30 tentera pangkat General dari Israel, 30lebih General Amerika, yang lain pangkat2 besar tentera Turkey serta pelayan2 dan penari2.
Majlis party ni nak rayakan beberapa General yang akan bersara. Ada minum2 alkohol dan joget2.
Kemudian seorang General Turkey panggil seorang Sergeant Tentera Turkey bawakan sebuah kitab AlQuran.
General tu pun suruh Sergeant dia baca beberapa ayat dari AlQuran. Sergeant pun baca lah. Kemudian General tu tanya Sergeant tu apa maknanya yang dia baca. Seargeant tu minta maaf dan cakap dia tak faham apa dia baca.
General tu pun ambil AlQuran tu lalu dikoyakkan kitab Alquran dan dibuangnya dibawah penari2 dari Israel.
General tu berkata - "So where is that God to protect and guard His Qur'an?" (mana dia Tuhan yang nak lindungi kitab AlQuran ni).
Seargeant tadi sangat takut melihat perkara ni dan terus lari keluar dari tempat tentera laut tu dan memberitahu orang lain tentang insiden ni.

Gempa bumi ni bermula ngan cahaya merah jambu kat langit. Laut tebelah dan letupan besar. Naval Base tu terbakar dan semua kat dalam mati.
Gempa bumi tu kemudian merebak ke tempat lain.

Masjid yang dikatakan tu ialah di Golcuk, 60 batu dari Istanbul.
Beribu2 orang mati, bangunan moden dan canggih semua roboh. Cuma bangunan kat sebelah masjid tu je yang tak roboh. Mungkin kuasa Allah pasal kalau bangunan ni roboh, mesti terkena kat masjid tu.
Tapi masjid tua tak roboh pun.
Yang heran, menara dia yang sangat tinggi pun tak roboh dan tak rosak jugak. Korang tengok gambar2 ni betul2. Heran habis.











Nak baca artikel penuh, pergi kat link atas.
Tuhan je yang maha mengetahui.

fly_in_d_sky

sungguh tak sangka ..
yg lain smua runtuh ...
kecuali masjid tuh ...

fly_in_d_sky

tgk tak c9, ada ustaz Indon dijemput tue..
itu ker ustaz Nur salam tue?
tak silap aku dia ada kes, sikit..beberapa tahun  lalu..

ustaz Indon tu .. naper ngan dia? kes aper?

tah,, lah fly, ala kes ala2 terpseong aqidah kinda stuff,
malas kiter nak ulas, kita takderk bukti..kekek..

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fly_in_d_sky

Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 10-11-2003 05:23 PM:
tah,, lah fly, ala kes ala2 terpseong aqidah kinda stuff,
malas kiter nak ulas, kita takderk bukti..kekek..

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ok ... no sweat ...

deaf4ever

kongsi ngan korang tentang petikan artikel2 majalah2 dan penulis2 barat sewaktu si Atarturk ni masih hidup lagi.
Mana info betul dan salah, korang nilai sendiri.

http://beautifulislam.net/articles/kamal_ataturk.htm

Kamal Ataturk
taken from www.ask-imam.com

The fact that he was a despot and dictator cannot be denied. It was his cruelty and sadistic treatment of Muslims that makes him stand out as one of the worst enemies of Allah. The above was only what was reported and recorded by mostly Western observers. The extent of what actually went on in the new Turkey by the direct policy of Kamal, was heinous to say the least. He was an enemy of Allah (swt) to the core.



TIME - January 9, 1933: p. 64

Squinting skyward last week, Turks looked for the new moon. When they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan is the mystic month in which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had been ordered by their stern dictator, Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made them drop the veil and the fez (TIME, Feb. 15, 1926 et seq.), that beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his Arabic name, Allah.
No godly man, Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish imams (priests) all know the Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any have memorized it in Turkish. Strict to the point of cruelty last week was Dictator Kemal's decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to prayer from the top of Turkey's minarets, must shout not the hallowed "Allah Akbar!" (Arabic for "God is Great!") but the unfamiliar words "Tanri Uludur!" which mean the same thing in Turkish.

When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400 brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce "newly trained muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the breach." .........

Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kemal that he simply could not change the name of Turkey's god - at least not last week. Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for announcing that they would continue to shout "Allah Akbar!" The populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the Allah-shouters.

Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded "Let them pray as they please, temporarily" he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. "On account of the general unpreparedness of muezzins and imams," they suavely declared, "prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams must be in Turkish."

During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they eat nothing during the hours of daylight. After the fasting is over Turks will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for their God.




TIME February 20, 1933 p. 18 Word for God

A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the "green city," a muezzin halloed "Tanri Uludur" from one of the minarets whence Brusans had heard "Allah Akbar" since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal Pasha's god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to save him.
Quick to defend his new word for God, quicker to show new Turkey the fate of the old-fashioned, Kemal the Ghazi, "the Victorious One," pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that henceforth God was Tanri.




TIME, February 15, 1926 - pp. 15-16

"Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging field on the face of the earth for missionary service." Thus wrote James L. Barton, missionary executive, in last week's issue of 'Christian Work.' But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey since 1923. The changes: .........
For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled hopelessly to capture the hearts of the Calif-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr. Barton, to suspect that "the Moslem was outside the sphere of the operation of divine grace."




Turkey, Emil Lengyel - 1941, pp. 140-141

During the early days of Kemal's career, many of his followers were under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. "Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians" was the name they gave him. Had they been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him "Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam."



Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal - An Intimate Study of a Dictator H.C. Armstrong, 1934

He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.
p. 241:
"For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."

"They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits."

"Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing."

Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.

"God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

"A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule.."

And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree.

p. 243:
Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheik-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.




Turkey - Emil Lengyel, 1941, p. 134

Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey's misfortune. It was Allah's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through Allah's aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal's purpose, he could discard him.



Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation - Lord Kinross, 1965, p. 437

For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. "If only," he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, "we could make them Christians!" His was not to be the reformed Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a strictly lay state, with a centralized Government as strong as the Sultan's, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual bureaucracy.
p. 470:
The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki took effect, he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying, "Now if you like you can both play together." Another evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled - one of those orders which was countermanded next morning.




Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation - Lord Kinross, 1965 p. 365

Some confusion as to his identity persisted, however, for some years to come. Inspecting some soldiers in Anatolia, Kemal once asked, "Who is God and where does He live?"
The soldier, anxious to please, replied, "God is Mustafa Kemal Pasha. He lives in Angora."

"And where is Angora?" Kemal asked.
"Angora is in Istanbul," was the reply.

Farther down the line he asked another soldier, "Who is Mustafa Kemal?"
The reply was, "Our Sultan." - Irfan Orga: Phoenix Ascendant.

banyak nye nasik tambah.. but very good..

"

drpd deaf4ever"Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing."

punyala anti dia ngn org arab...
oo..patutla..dia pn keturunan yahudi

AceHand

Originally posted by deaf4ever at 5-11-2003 23:30:
Gambar kat bahagian bawah.

Kepada semua pembaca cari forum,
aku dah jumpa website bahasa omputeh paling best. http://islamicweb.com/resources/earthquacke_turkey.htm[/color ...

Hapa nasib masjid ni sekarang...?


[AURA]  [EFEK]  [NOTA]
Ada gambar latest...?

marquez

Dua tiga hari lepas aku ada terjemahkan sebuah dokumentari tentang Armenia, ada satu fakta yang aku rasa amat menarik sekali ialah pada tahun 1915-17 pemerintah Turki telah membunuh sekurang-kurangnya 1 juta (banyak gak tu huh?) rakyat Armenia yang beragama Kristian kerana takut mereka akn berppihak kepada Rusia.... masa tu Turki ngan Rusia tengah bertelingkah... Soalnya, macamana sebuah negara Islam sanggup melakukan kekejaman yang terlampau nih, atau apakah ini cuma propaganda  barat sahaja?

Kalau tersilap fakta tolong betulkan, sebab sekarang ni aku takde masa nak periksa ldengan lebih mendalam lagi...

TQ.

cup..cup..
sebelum nk jwp..nk tny..

ko pnyer persoalan, hampir kuang lebih ngn topik nih
Perang Salib/Crusade benarkah ia peperangan antara Islam dan Kristian..

leh tak aku kombainkan?