The warfare condition in Palestine

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 23-7-2006 08:31 PM

Then don't think, Allah should be leading the list?

How about police..should they be called terrorist too.. because they do terrorize the criminals.


  

fh, you never cease to amaze me with your stupidity..

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by kid at 21-7-2006 01:19 PM
Malaysia strongly consider sending troops to Lebanon border.
Indonesian had already sent their commitment letter to UN to send security forces to Palestine.

So nick, wait for us there ok.

Hopefully this time around they don't get shot in the butt and come back crying.. like what happen in Iraq.

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 23-7-2006 10:35 AM
eer, Lebanon is not the one who captured the soldiers, it's Hezbollah. Hezbollah does not have the authority of a government.

You are right.. and that is officially supposed to be common knowledge.. but in Malaysia it is not.

Its clear that the Lebanese government fail to control the terror group known as Hezbollah. At least Malaysian government was able to control the local terror group Al-Mauna.

When the Lebanese goverment fail to stop the Hezbollah group from attacking Israel then its Israels duty to protect itself.

Its so simple yet its so difficult for Malaysians to understand. The obvious reason for the screwed-up view among Malaysians, mostly Malays is that the media is reporting  sensored and very biased report.. always against Israel. with insults thrown in.

The media don't talk about the attacks on Israel by the Hezbollah group which leads to the defensive retaliation from Israel.

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by bob at 23-7-2006 09:11 PM
fh, you never cease to amaze me with your stupidity..

anyhow your stupidity over-rules mine. For equating terrorism with what a democratic country like USA is doing.

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 24-7-2006 02:43 AM


anyhow your stupidity over-rules mine. For equating terrorism with what a democratic country like USA is doing.

Official FBI definition of terrorism:

"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

By its own definition the hypocrite U.S. government is guilty of terrorism

greekgod

http://nkusa.org/

I just pass through a website, which indeed give some very good information.


Ok, let us read something:

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A LETTER FROM Rabbi AMRAM BLAU OPPOSING ZIONISM  
Jerusalem, January 17, 1974

To All Those Who Believe in Justice:

Nations of the world accepted the clear lie when they recognized the Zionists, those heretics who established their state through conquest under the name of 揑srael,

Thanks to the Zionist controlled media propagandas, all muslim fighter freedoms/resistance as in the case of Hizballah, Hamas, Talibans, Al-Qaeda are labeled as terrorist/militants.

But whose action in the first place that give rise to all this groups?  

They抮e but brave individuals that stand up and rise to liberate and fight for their human rights and responsibilities toward the oppressed communities and uphold of religious rights and freedom which most of the secular leaders failed and cowered on the big bullies tactics and propagandas that is blinding the whole world but those who are morally conscious against the uncalled atrocities shall fight and voice out against this injustice until the end.







Hezbollah[1] (Arabic: ÍÒÈ Ç後åý, meaning Party of God) is a Lebanese Islamist political party and military resistance movement, with a military arm and a civilian arm, founded in 1982 to fight the Israeli Occupation Forces who occupied southern Lebanon until the year 2000.

Hezbollah was "inspired by the success of the Iranian Revolution"[2] and was formed primarily to combat Israeli occupation following the 1982 Lebanon War.[3] Hezbollah follows the distinct Shia Islamic ideology developed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.[4]

Along with the Amal movement, Hezbollah is the main political party and military organization representing the Shia community, Lebanon's largest religious bloc.[5] and it is a recognized political party in Lebanon, where it has participated in government.[6] The civilian wing participates in the Parliament of Lebanon, taking 18% of the seats (23 out of 128) and the bloc it forms with others, the Resistance and Development Bloc, 27.3% (see Lebanese general election, 2005). It is a minority partner in the current Cabinet. [citation needed]

Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings but also boasts an extensive social development programme. The civilian wing also runs hospitals, news services, and educational facilities. Its Reconstruction Campaign (Jihad al-Bina) is responsible for numerous economic and infrastructural development projects in Lebanon.[7]

[8] The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance programme. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members.[9] Most experts believe that Hezbollah's social and health programmes are worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9] Hezbollah mainly gets its money from donations. It is no secret that Hezbollah receives financial help from Iran, but not from Syria.[9]

Throughout most of the Arab and Muslim worlds, Hezbollah is highly regarded as a legitimate resistance movement.[10] The Lebanese government confirmed it as a legitimate resistance against occupation.[11][12] Even 74 percent of Lebanese Christians viewed Hezbollah as a resistance organization.[13]

The United States and Israel consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization, claiming that the organization initiates attacks against civilians and ideologically supports such attacks by other organizations,

The European Union does not list Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization",[14] but does list Imad Mugniyah,[15]
In a non-binding resolution adopted by the European Parliament on 10 March 2005, The EU Parliament considered that clear evidence exists of terrorist activities by Hezbollah and recomended that

greekgod

i bet nick wont read this... since he's not even in israel, he might be dreaming of his home got bombing.. pity him...

The concealed facts as exposed below:


Tom Hayden: Things Come 扲ound in Mideast
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...gs_come_round/
Posted on Jul 18, 2006



" One might argue, and many Americans today might agree, that Hezbollah and Hamas started this round of war with their provocative kidnappings of Israeli soldiers. Lost in the headlines, however, is the fact that the Israelis have 9,000 Palestinian prisoners, and have negotiated prisoner swaps before. Others will blame the Islamists for incessant rocket attacks on Israel. But the roots of this virulent spiral of vengeance lie in the permanent occupation of Palestinian territories by the overconfident Israelis.


As it did in 1982, Israel now admits that the war is not about prisoner exchanges or cease-fires; it is about eradicating Hezbollah and Hamas altogether, if necessary by an escalation against Syria or even Iran. It should be clear by now that the present Israeli government will never accept an independent Palestinian state, but rather harbors a colonial ambition to decide which Palestinian leaders are acceptable.


In 1982, Israel said the same thing about eliminating PLO sanctuaries in Lebanon. It was after that 1982 Israeli invasion that Hezbollah was born. I remember Israeli national security experts even taking credit for fostering Hamas and Islamic fundamentalism as safe, reclusive alternatives to Palestinian secular nationalism. I remember watching Israeli soldiers blow up Palestinian houses and carry out collective punishment because, they told me matter-of-factly, punishment is the only language that Arabs understand. Israelis are inflicting collective punishment on Lebanese civilians for the same reason today. "

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by KENNKID at 24-7-2006 06:47 AM
Official FBI definition of terrorism:

"Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, o ...

You are twisting the definition.
That only applies to groups or gangs.. not legal governments.

If terrorism is applied to governments than practically every contry in the world is guilty of terrorism.  

Picking on USA show your twisted mind-set.

13Friday

there are some not so legal?


some of that in the Arabs world.

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 24-7-2006 01:40 PM

You are twisting the definition.
That only applies to groups or gangs.. not legal governments.

If terrorism is applied to governments than practically every contry in the world is guilty of ...

US terrorism



Carpetbombing Vietnam




My Lai massacre

Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people

From the very beginning of the Zionist entity  of Israel in 1948 the Israelis have committed mass-murder and terrorization of the Palestinian people. In addition, Israelis torture Palestinian prisoners in jail on a routine basis. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the mainstream American mass-media for 53 years.

In 1982 after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Israeli racist Ariel Sharon was the primary authority behind the massacres at the Shatilla and Sabra refugee camps in which over 1000 helpless Palestinian women, children and civilian men were murdered in cold blood.

The United States government pours billions of the US citizens'  tax dollars into Israel every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do things it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American state terrorism.

[ Last edited by  KENNKID at 24-7-2006 05:54 PM ]

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7/23/06 04:31 AM

Then don't "you" think, Allah should be leading the list?

I think need to provide your justification on why Allah should be on the list.
I'm not saying that you cannot consider a holy figure of a religion negatively here. It's just that when that is needed one would have to support it well enough.
Thanks.

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 24-7-2006 10:40 PM
I think need to provide your justification on why Allah should be on the list.
I'm not saying that you cannot consider a holy figure of a religion negatively here. It's just that when that  ...

If Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is true then the greatest terrorist is the one who caused all those people to be drown.

Since it was claimed that Allah caused the Great Flood (Q11:43) which terrorised and killed babies, childrends, women, man and old folks.. except for a handful of Allah's slaves in the Nuh'Ark.. i would only be logical to conclude that Allah is the on the top of the terrorist list.

Israeli crimes against humanity: Gruesome images inside.

Charred and mutilated bodies following Israeli air strikes:

While these gruesome images have been released by acredited news agencies including Reuters, Agence France Press and the Associated Press, they are casually dismissed, they are not considered as "reliable evidence" of war crimes.

There is, in this regard, a deliberate media coverup of Israeli sponsored crimes and atrocities. Civilian casualties continue to be presented in media reports as "collateral damage".

Laser guided missiles and "smart bombs" are very precise. They rarely miss their target. When residential buildings, schools or hospitals are targetted, this means civilians will be killed. These actions, ordered by Israel's IDF are quite deliberate. They are carried out with meticulous acuracy.

The atrocities in these pictures are beyond description. Israel has being using, quite deliberately, deadly "weapons of mass destruction" in the real sense of the word against Lebanese civilians.

Israel is involved in crimes against humanity and the so-called international community unreservedly supports Israel's right to "self defense".  

Moreover, in providing a green light to Israel to continue its criminal bombings for another week, the Bush adminstration is directly responsible for these atrocities.

No compassion on the part of Western leaders. "War is good for business". The killings are for profit and political gain.

The entire Western meda is silent, focussing ad nauseam on the alleged terrorist actions of Hizbollah, its "links to Iran and Syria", the rescue of Western expatriates, etc.  But not a word on the destruction of an entire nation. What Israel is doing, in a very concrete sense, is "wiping Lebanon off the face of the map", to use a familiar expression.  

By destroying its civilian infrastructure and killing its people, Israel "questions Lebanon's right to exist" as a sovereign nation.

Is this what is called "the clash of civilisations"?

We are dealing with the criminalisation of the Western media. If atrocities of this nature are not reported or acknowledged, what are the implications? The end of "civilised society"?

There can be no double standards. If G-8 leaders and the UN Secretary General do not speak out explicitly, not only in condemning but in taking concrete actions against Israel, they too are collectively responsible for crimes against humanity.

It is time for the real war criminals, the real terrorists to be prosecuted. Extensive sanctions should be adopted against the Israeli government.

Political leaders and diplomats who endorse the Israeli sponsored killings must understand that they too can be prosecuted within their respective jurisdictions.



Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 21 July 2006


http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind ... &articleId=2787

Bush's Plan for "Serial War" revealed by General Wesley Clark

Secret 2001 Pentagon Plan to Attack Lebanonby A Concerned Citizen
July 23, 2006
GlobalResearch.ca

"Five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan"

According to General Wesley Clark--the Pentagon, by late 2001, was Planning to Attack Lebanon

"Winning Modern Wars" (page 130) General Clark states the following:

"As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan.

...He said it with reproach--with disbelief, almost--at the breadth of the vision. I moved the conversation away, for this was not something I wanted to hear. And it was not something I wanted to see moving forward, either. ...I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned."

Of course, this wholly consistent with the US Neocons' master plan, "Rebuilding America's Defenses," published in August 2000 by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

And, as PNAC's website ( http://www.newamericancentury.org ) notes, that the lead author of that plan, Thomas Donnelly, was a top official of Lockheed Martin--a company well acquainted with war and its profit potential.

It's no surprise that Republicans are starting to talk about withdrawing troops from Iraq; the troops will be needed in Lebanon. And maybe Sudan and Syria?


Note:

More on General Clark--and his failure to mention all this in his pre-Iraq war commentary on CNN--is in Sydney Schanberg's 9/29/03 article "The Secrets Clark Kept: What the General Never Told Us About the Bush Plan for Serial War" at http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0340,schanberg,47436,1.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind ... A%20C20060723&a rticleId=2797

THE BLOODY REIGN OF EHUD OLMERT
AND HIS TIES TO 9/11

Christopher Bollyn

The first two months of Ehud Olmert's term as Israel's prime minister have been described as "the bloodiest, deadliest and the most criminal period of the 58-year-old state of Israel." Although the controlled press overlooks the new Israeli leader's crimes, Olmert's ties to the convicted Israeli criminal who controlled airport security at Boston airport on 9/11 cannot be ignored.

Although Zionism is probably the most potent force influencing U.S. politics, it is safe to say that it remains a political philosophy woefully misunderstood by the majority of the U.S. population. Although President George W. Bush and his war cabinet are clearly Zionists advancing the Zionist agenda, an agenda which is promoted and supported by nearly every member of Congress, Zionism and its bloody history are subjects which most Americans know virtually nothing about.

While American universities offer courses and degrees in practically every subject imaginable, a college curriculum offering a critical examination of Zionism and its history is not to be found.

This public's general ignorance of Zionism, its goals and history, is compounded by the controlled media, which grossly distorts and misinterprets Zionism to make this most un-American philosophy appear to be something familiar and benevolent to Americans. The well-documented bloody history of Zionist terror and ethnic cleansing, something which is well known to all Israelis and Palestinians, is strange and unknown terra incognita to most Americans, primarily due to academic and media censorship.

After the terror attacks of 9/11, which a large body of evidence indicates involved Israeli intelligence agents, and with more than 150,000 Americans engaged in costly and disastrous wars in the Middle East, it is simply no longer sustainable for Americans to remain blissfully ignorant of political Zionism.

ZIONISM AND COMMUNISM

Zionism, as a political movement, developed with Communism in the late 1800s among the Jewish communities in the western regions of the Russian Empire. In Lithuania, Poland, Byelorussia, and Ukraine, particularly in areas with large Jewish populations, Zionism became a new national religion. From the beginning, the Communist and Zionist movements were closely intertwined.

In the late 1800s, the religious-political ideology of Zionism led Jews in search of a national identity to shun the local language and begin speaking and writing Hebrew, a language which had not been spoken for thousands of years. In the Soviet Union, Jews were considered a national group and Jewish nationality was marked as such in Soviet passports. A Jewish Autonomous Region was even established in the Soviet Union in the area of Birobidjan in 1934 with Yiddish as the official language.

Although the Russian and Eastern European Jews known as the Ashkenazi are not even Semites, but Slavic and Asiatic converts to Judaism, Zionist zeal led them to misidentify themselves as "Hebrew," when for example, they entered the United States at Ellis Island.

As Zionists had "reconstituted" the "Hebrew" language, the primary political objective of political Zionism has always been the formation of a purely Jewish state in Palestine, something which has never actually existed in history. The fact that 20th Century Palestine was already inhabited by Palestinians, many of whom are real Semites, descended from the original Jews, Arabs, Greeks, and other races of the Holy Land, was something the Zionists intended to use military force to correct.

The armed conquest and ethnic cleansing of Palestine was vigorously promoted in the 1930s by Ze'ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky, one of the most militant of Zionists. Jabotinsky, born in Odessa in 1880, became commander of the Zionist militia known as the Irgun in 1937. Jabotinsky headed the New Zionist Organization (N.Z.O), the Betar youth movement, and the Irgun militia, three extensions of the same extremist movement.

The Jabotinsky ideology maintains that the Jewish people have exclusive rights to all the Land of Israel, which it claims extends from the Nile of Egypt to the Euphrates River in Iraq.

OLMERT AND JABOTINSKY

Ehud Olmert, like his Russian-born parents who emigrated first to China and then to Palestine, is an ideological child of Jabotinsky. Olmert's father, Mordechai, was a devoted follower who joined the right-wing Herut movement and the Irgun militia then led by the notorious Zionist terrorist Menachem Begin.

Olmert's intensely right-wing family lived on a cooperative farm called Nahalat Jabotinsky. As a child, Olmert was a member of Betar, the militaristic youth movement. Begin, the hard-line Israeli prime minister who held the credo "In blood and fire Judea fell; in blood and fire Judea shall rise," would later refer to Olmert as "Ehud, my son."

Olmert, a member of parliament since 1973, later became mayor of Jerusalem, the occupied capital city of Palestine, and oversaw Israel's territorial expansion of the city limits. The area that Israelis now call Jerusalem extends from Bethlehem in the south, to Ramallah in the north, and Jericho is the east.

In the thinking of Jabotinsky Zionists like Olmert, there is simply no place for the Palestinians in the Land of Israel: "There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of Eretz Israel," Jabotinsky wrote. "If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it is also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs."

The barrier wall that has been built across the West Bank is an idea straight from the writings of Jabotinsky: "Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population

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OLMERT AND ATZMON

Olmert, who has long been tarnished by allegations of financial crimes, was implicated in a financial scandal involving forged receipts for donations to the 1988 Likud campaign, of which he was co-treasurer. This affair culminated in the March 1996 conviction of three other Likudniks, including Menahem Atzmon, the Likud treasurer. Olmert was also later indicted in the Likud affair, but was acquitted.

During the 1970s Olmert had worked in the law firm owned by another Atzmon, Uzi Atzmon.

Menahem Atzmon, convicted in Israel, went on to become the founder and head of International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS), the parent company of Huntleigh USA, the airport security firm that ran passenger screening operations at the airports of Boston and Newark on 9/11.

Huntleigh USA is a wholly owned subsidiary of an Israeli company called International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS) International N.V., a Netherlands-based aviation and transportation security firm headed by 揻ormer [Israeli] military commanding officers and veterans of government intelligence and security agencies.

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