Indonesia wants to buy Israeli UAVs

johngage

Indonesia wants to buy Israeli UAVs

By Yossi Melman

Indonesia is planning to purchase Searcher Mark-II unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from Israel, according to Indonesian National Defense Forces (TNI) Commander, Marshal Djoko Suyanto.

Israeli sources refused to comment on these reports.

The Indonesian Defense Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, said that the procurement of UAVs from another country, like Israel, was a realistic decision because similar locally-built equipment with the same technology was needed by the Indonesian defense forces.

Sudarsono explained that Indonesia had tried to develop a UAV prototype last year, but its coverage and range were limited.

"We still need time and huge amounts of money to develop these aircraft both for military and commercial purposes. To upgrade the existing prototype, we still need further study, time and huge sums of money," Juwono said.

The ministry's research and development agency is still studying the result of research and development of the main weaponry system for reconnaissance, aircraft and ships.

The news that the predominantly Muslim Indonesia was planning to procure military equipment from Israel, a country with which it has no diplomatic ties, resulted in considerable criticism by legislators in parliament.

Some legislators claimed that procuring the UAVs from Israel is in violation of laws and regulations and accused the government of ignoring required procedures.

However, Djoko denied a statement by the House of Representatives that in planning the purchase of UAVs from Israel, the government had ignored the required procedures.

Djoko said that the plan to purchase the reconnaissance aircraft was initiated by the TNI because its technical specifications met that of all three services.

"Then we made surveys here and there, not only in one country. The surveys were conducted by a joint team with personnel from the Army, Navy, Air Force, the TNI's strategic intelligence agency BAIS and the ministry of defense," he said.

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emmm..... buat ape mereka tak beri malaysia punya UAV ??????
senang jika.....

gancity

or v should say...Malaysia & Indonesia cooperate develop UAV

reinloch

Even our own army do not want them yet...as of now, they certainly leave a lot to be desired.

IceMallet

Betoi tu...pasal kurang yer minat dari pihak ATM untuk operate UAV, unlike our southern neighbour..lagipun, jerung2 pun tak develop projek UAV..

spiderweb6969

actually the indonesian are rather familiar with singapore's operational use of Israelis UAV dalam operasi yang sebenar, di mana beberapa orang awam di culik gerila if i'm not mistaken di hutan kalimantan kalau tak silap tahun lewat 80'an ataupun awal 90'an, kopassus menjekali gerila tu dengan bantuan UAV singapura, mungkin UAV jenis Scout buatan Israel yang pertama di miliki SAF....so, if they are impress with the israeli UAV, then this must be the reason why....

spiderweb6969

Originally posted by spiderweb6969 at 26-10-2006 10:49 AM
actually the indonesian are rather familiar with singapore's operational use of Israelis UAV dalam operasi yang sebenar, di mana beberapa orang awam di culik gerila if i'm not mistaken di hutan kal ...

Ralat....menjejaki bukan menjekali.....

IceMallet

But one do wonder why didnt they commit themselves to the UAV develop locally..some might say it does have the basic capabilities needed..well, its their money and its up to them how they wanna spend it

spiderweb6969

1st mungkin UAV tempatan belum matured lagi, kalau nak buat sendiri pun mungkin makan masa yang agak lama bertahun tahun paling cepat pun 5 tahun, kalau beli of the self mungkin dalam masa 1 atau 2 tahun dah boleh mula kan operasi....

supergripen

this is not the first time for the Indonesians buying/using Israeli sourced equipments..the biggest most obvious i think was the purchase of ex Heyl Ha'Avir A-4s,recognizeable by elongated tailpipes developed by the Israelis to improve surviveabililty against heat seeking missiles.

no surprises...

IceMallet

Thats correct..some say that those A4s still have the 'shield of david' sign  on them when they arrived at Makassar

supergripen

Originally posted by IceMallet at 29-10-2006 10:10 AM
Thats correct..some say that those A4s still have the 'shield of david' sign  on them when they arrived at Makassar

no disrespect to the Indonesians,but being the most populous Islamic nation in the world,they have a penchant for buying from those who kills muslims on a daily basis.

sad,but not surprised given the fact that for a nation with abundant natural and human resources,they still can't get their acts together after all these years..Revalina Temat notwithstanding.

ef/x

Agreed they are the most populous muslim country BUT they ruled by the principles of Pancasila not ISLAM

Debmey

Originally posted by supergripen at 29-10-2006 10:54 AM
no disrespect to the Indonesians,but being the most populous Islamic nation in the world,they have a penchant for buying from those who kills muslims on a daily basis.

they don't kill muslims on a daily basis sir.
They only target those who weanst to kill Jews. They did it out of self defence. Aren't they allowed to self defence?

sad,but not surprised given the fact that for a nation with abundant natural and human resources,they still can't get their acts together after all these years..Revalina Temat notwithstanding.
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Israel does not have a lot of natural resources. They have talent though.
The ones with abundant natural resources are some of the islamic states like Saudi, Libya, Iran, Iraq and Kuwait.

johngage

Surely the people most responsible for killing the Muslims are the Muslims themselves:

1) Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988)- 1,000,000 casualties (Sunni vs Shiite)

2) Egyptian-Yemen War (1962-1967) 150,000 casualties (Sunni vs Sunni)

3) Algerian Civil War (1991-2002) 120,000 casualties (Sunni vs Sunni)

4) Iraq War (2003-) 44,803-49,760 casualties (Sunni vs Shiite)

5) Turkish vs PKK (1984-) 30,000 casualties (Sunni vs Sunni)

6) South Yemen Civil War (1986) 13,000 casualties (Sunni vs Sunni)

5) Waziristan War (2004-2006) 4,000 casualties (Sunni/Shiite vs Sunni)

Frankly, I think that Indonesia has a right to buy from whoever they want. In a war, where the weapons come from makes no difference. What counts is how good they are at killing the enemy. Besides in international politics, there are no permanent friends and enemies, just pemanent interests. Malaysia was a friend of Indonesia before the Confrontation. We were enemies during the Confrontation (1960-1966). Now we are friends again (1966-???)

[ Last edited by  johngage at 30-10-2006 01:13 AM ]

IceMallet

Rightly so..its their money..so they can do whatever they want with it..anyway, maybe we could kawtim with them and study those Israeli UAVs

edmundo

Guys....
Thought that M'sia is working on self- made UAV? Nyamuk or something? Any latest progress on this effort? ATM agree to procure nyamuk?

reinloch

LOL. Success is 10% talent and 90% hard work. The MoD and her group of cronies that are supposedly working on such projects are doomed from the start. Too little effort, too little will, too little motivation.

edmundo

Sensitivity drifted away....
Talk about the most populated Muslim country in the world...but when comes to purchase of products,they cant do much.
One should take note that their burden of debts are among the highest..not much further research they can do with such a budget...lebih baik beli.
But last time i heard in news is that TNI planning to purchase it from a third party; Philipine...is it true?
Apa2 pn, agak syg kn? Negara besar, with luxurious of inner resources tapi blm mampu utk utilise it secara opitmum...:hmm:

gekko

Yes, the Searcher will come from a pinoy company, acting as the agent. So its not a direct import.

So now, Searcher is adopted for use by Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia.....and this looks like we are being monitored north, south, east and west by the same type of UAV.

Is the much spoken off, but not seen yet, locally made Eagle Mk2 UAV comparable in capability ?