Keter elektrik Proton oleh Detroit Electric

Squall-Leonhart

Ni haku cilok kat paultan...


We may see electric versions of the Proton Savvy, Proton GEN2 and even a possible Proton MPV very soon, as evident from this recent revelation. They won抰 be Proton-badged though - the world will know them as Detroit Electric cars. The Detroit Electric was an electric car produced by the Anderson Electric Car Company in Detroit between 1907 to 1939. It had a top speed of 32km/h and a maximum range of about 130km, though driving it in an efficient manner scored a record of 340.1km on a single charge.

The new Detroit Electric will be a joint venture between ZAP and China抯 Youngman. Ex-Lotus Engineering top man Albert Lam (shown top left) will chair the new Detroit Electric venture. Its first cars will roll off the production line in summer 2009.

Now here抯 where we find out some of Detroit Electric抯 cars will be based off Proton bodies. Detroit Electric cars will be brought into the European market by a Dutch consortium called Electric Cars Europe (ECE). Their website lists a couple of models like an electric version of the Lotus Elise and an electric Volkswagen Golf.

But the Detroit Electric range is also listed: a four model line-up that consists of a subcompact, a mid-sized sedan/hatchback, the Zap alias, and a full-sized SUV called the ZAP-X, which we all know is an electric-powered Lotus APX.

To the left you will find the information on the compact electric car that Detroit Electric will offer. It is quite obviously a Proton Savvy with no badge on the front.

According to the preliminary info, the Detroit Electric Proton Savvy will be launched in the 4th quarter of 2009. It will be powered by a 30kW (40hp) electric motor that抯 backed by lithium-ion batteries.

Range is about 300km, and I am not sure if my translation is right but it appears that the vehicle can be charged up in between 2.5 hours to 7 hours, depending on the power supply. Estimated price is 22,491 Euros, or about RM112,188.00!

The next car is described as a mid-sized sedan/hatchback. The silhouette looks like the Proton GEN2, except it seems to have a very radically styled front end. Two door handles on the side can be seen, showing that it has at least 4 doors, or 5 if its a hatch like the GEN2.

This larger Detroit Electric Proton GEN2 probably has a larger battery so it can go further with a maximum range of 550km, and on to a top speed of 190km/h thanks to its powerful 150kW (200 horsepower) electric motor. Charging time is listed as being between 3.5 hours to 10 hours, again depending on the source of power.

The Detroit Electric mid-sized sedan possibly and likely to be based on the GEN2 is expected to be launched in the second quarter of 2010 and will retail for 29,251 Euros, or RM145,599.00!

The final model (other than the ZAP Alias which I will not be talking about here) is the Detroit Electric ZAP-X based on ZAP抯 ZAP-X concept which is in turn based on the Lotus APX, a 5-seater MPV developed by Lotus. Proton抯 MPV could possibly be some variation of this concept by Lotus.

The Detroit Electric ZAP-X will be a monster, featuring 400kW (536 horsepower) of power and travelling up to 225km/h. Sounds like a BMW X6 competitor to me. It takes less than 4 seconds to get up to 100km/h.

Range is expected to be about 525km which indicates rather large lithium ion batteries but no figures were given on how long it would take to charge them up.

An expected launching date for the ZAP-X is the 4th quarter of 2010, and the Detroit Electric MPV/SUV vehicle will cost 71,400 Euros, or an astronomical RM355,400!

The usage of Proton cars to provide the base chassis for this project actually makes sense as Youngman (one of the partners in Detroit Electric, the other is ZAP) already has a relationship with Proton for it to supply left hand drive versions of the Proton GEN2 for rebadging in China as the Europestar RCR. Initially the orders will be CBU, but recently CKD kits have already started being shipped to China for local assembly there.

In fact, the faint sketch you see used to depict the Detroit Electric mid-sized sedan may be what a facelifted Europestar RCR will look like once the CKD operations in China are running smoothly and Youngman decides to give the Chinese GEN2 its own styling.

The technology used in these models are probably too expensive which is why the prices are quite high, making these cars far out of reach from the mass market here. It would be interesting to see if anyone brings them in here, perhaps Proton themselves.

Hat tip to thecordwainers.

nik2121

bukan da ade ke?

batu_bergolek

mahal nyer, kalo quality issue proton still persist mcm tak berbaloi la beli.

sixfullbar

yakan..rasa macam dah ada

tak pasti pulak artikel tu ada ke tidak

BSundayB

Habis lar petroleum companies kat malaysia NANTI (>10years)...  nampak gaya nya, takda bonus lar lagi 10 tahun..

Squall-Leonhart

Originally posted by batu_bergolek at 28-6-2008 04:57 PM
mahal nyer, kalo quality issue proton still persist mcm tak berbaloi la beli.

Tu la pasal... tapi memang takleh nak kata haper sebab memang susah nak buat keter yang perform lebih kurang sama kuat macam model petrol tapi kurang masa nak mengecas. Model2 tu walaupun speed maksimum dgn jarak perjalanan maksimum tu kira okey tapi part masa mengecas tu pun still sakit gak tuu...

BSundayB

kau pernah guna ke??

this is not handphone ok... the re-chargeable unit is huge.. and the power CAN be supplied by house voltage.. with high current..

[ Last edited by  BSundayB at 29-6-2008 05:27 PM ]

Squall-Leonhart

Of course not... lagipun yang aku cakap tu memang makes sense pun, sebab handset cuma pakai karan kecik jer, dan bateri handset sekarang pun sekitar beberapa ratus miliamp-jam jer, tak macam dulu sampai kena lebih 1000 mAh laa. Tu pun kena amik masa berjam2 jugak nak cas. Disebabkan limitasi ni la yang buatkan populariti keter letrik ditenggelami keter petrol sampai sekarang, cuma bezanya teknologi zaman sekarang jauh lagi bagus drp zaman dulu, but still can't solve the same problem.

Squall-Leonhart

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Would you be interested in a Proton Persona powered by 100% electric power for about RM80k? That could be a genuine question sometime in the future, thanks to Detroit Electric. The team from Detroit Electric is in KL this week with their fleet of prototype electric cars built on existing models. A few cars were available at the media event today including a Lotus Elise, a Proton Persona, and a Proton Savvy. All were powered by Detroit Electric抯 electric powertrains with various power ratings.
We took the Lotus Elise for a spin around Proton抯 oval test track at its Shah Alam plant. Read our experience as well as more on Dutch-based Detroit Electric after the jump.



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When I nestled myself into the cockpit, it was all calm and serene. The car felt like wasn抰 even turned on. It was extremely quiet which is good in a way but for sports cars like the Elise, you would want to hear the rumbling engine sound.
Getting into first gear was a snap, as I did it without kicking the clutch pedal. You just have to slot it into first and go. The clutch is only used for the rest of the gear selection while driving. You don抰 need any synchros and clutches to get the car moving from a standstill as the electric motor is perfectly happy idling at 0 rpm. It抯 basically an engine that never stalls because an incorrect engine speed just does not exist.
Since I was eager to find out how much of a kick the electric motor can give, I almost floored the throttle and it felt really promising. The acceleration was surprisingly excellent as I made my up to third gear to reach 150km/h towards the end of the back straight. To put it into terms of feeling, the power felt much alike the second generation Audi TT powered by the 2.0 liter TFSI engine.



As I eased off the throttle and dropped the gear to second to tackle the banking curve, the car really felt stable, as though the Elise was part of the tarmac. Through out the curve, I did push it a little harder, and I felt a good kick up my bottom when I shifted to third, and subsequently to forth gear right before slowing down on the main straight. I really wished I could have gone for more laps. Power wise, the only thing was missing from a high revving and high torque conventional engine was the sound, and thats it.
With the electric motor, you are never in the wrong gear as all the torque is available at all times. This will make an electric sports car so much easier to drive and I have a feeling its also easier to clock quick times on the track compared to one powered a conventional combustion engine.


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I also got the chance to become a passenger in a Proton Persona which was fitted with a lower powered prototype electric motor. There are no issues with auxiliaries that are usually powered by belts as these days there are electric power steering systems. The Persona was also complete with a must have feature for our climate, an air conditioning system that runs perfectly well. It really felt like I was sitting in a standard CamPro-powered Persona, everything was normal but very quiet, so quiet that tyre roll became so much more prominent.
The boot space in the Persona was pretty much completely taken up by the lithium ion batteries, but according to DE that is because this is a prototype that was quickly developed for the media preview. In a production car the batteries would be hidden better in a not so intrusive way.
The electric Lotus Elise had a 150kW (200hp) electric motor that can take it up to 100km/h in 4.3 seconds, and goes up to a top speed of 220km/h. It has a range of 325km and can be charged using a 240v 10A power source in 6.5 hours. A 240v 35A power source will do that in 3.5 hours while a quick charger with 240v 100A can charge it up to 80% in 10 to 15 minutes. A typical passenger car motor would have 75kW or 100hp and will do the 100km/h sprint in 8.5 seconds. Range and charge time is similiar to the Elise.


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Detroit Electric抯 CEO Albert Lam said the running costs for a Proton Persona powered by an electric motor could cost about 3 sen per km based on current electricity tariffs. This is despite a typical 1,000kg car having an additional 200kg of weight added thanks to the electric motor and batteries. This means a Persona that weighs between 1,170kg to 1,240kg could end up weighting nearly 1,500kg. It sounds like an interesting proposition and the savings in monthly fuel expenses could justify for the higher initial cost.
A typical electric car can go between 200 to 300km on a full charge which should pose no problems for city driving but the problem would be inter-state trips which would definitely extend beyond the range. Using the air conditioning everyday uses about 8% of the battery life per day.
As for maintenance, Detroit Electric compared maintaining an electric motor to a 揼earbox

al-asil

DE, Proton runding keluar kereta elektrik

www.utusan.com.my

SHAH ALAM 2 Sept. - Syarikat kereta elektrik, Detroit Electric (DE), sedang berunding dengan Proton Holdings Bhd. (Proton) bagi mengeluarkan kenderaan elektrik sebagai sebahagian daripada rancangan Proton untuk mengeluarkan kenderaan elektrik mampu milik pada akhir 2009.

Pengerusi DE, Albert Lam berkata, jika Proton bersetuju, pihaknya akan membina kilang bateri jenis lithium ion dan infrastruktur untuk mengecas betari itu di negara ini pada akhir tahun depan.

Beliau berkata, Malaysia merupakan negara pertama di Asia yang bakal memiliki kemudahan kereta berkuasa elektrik itu yang hanya menelan kos perjalanan sebanyak 3 sen bagi setiap kilometer.

Selain Proton, Lam memberitahu, pihaknya turut berunding dengan dua syarikat lain di Jerman dan Amerika Syarikat.

"Kita masih dalam peringkat rundingan awal dengan Proton dan keputusannya akan diketahui akhir tahun depan. Namun, saya yakin rundingan ini memberi hasil yang amat baik kerana segala perbelanjaan ditanggung oleh Detroit Electric.

"Kereta berkuasa elektrik ini dapat memelihara alam sekitar kerana tidak mengeluarkan sebarang bahan bakar, sebaliknya hanya perlu dicaj bateri. Ia bukan satu teknologi baru, sebaliknya sudah lama digunakan di Eropah,'' katanya.

Beliau berkata demikian pada sesi taklimat dan uji pandu kereta elektrik di Litar Uji Pandu Proton, di sini hari ini.

Kerajaan pada 21 Julai lalu mengarahkan Proton untuk mengeluarkan kereta elektrik di Malaysia selewat-lewatnya tahun depan bagi mengurangkan beban rakyat akibat kenaikan harga petrol dan diesel.

Kereta yang menggunakan bateri yang perlu dicas selama enam jam di rumah itu mampu dipandu sejauh 320 kilometer. Kuasanya dapat bertahan sehingga 36 jam.

Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi yang memandu uji kereta elektrik Lotus, model yang dikeluarkan oleh anak syarikat Proton di United Kingdom, berpuas hati dengan penggunaan teknologi baru itu yang langsung tidak menggunakan petrol.

Kereta itu sama saiz dan cirinya dengan model kereta biasa, tetapi kuasa enjinnya dipacu oleh sejenis bateri berteknologi tinggi.

Lam menambah, kos jualan sebuah kereta Proton model Persona yang siap dipasang dengan bateri lithium ion adalah RM80,000, termasuk harga atas jalan.

Katanya, bateri jenis lithium ion itu memerlukan masa selama 30 minit hingga lapan jam untuk dicas dan ia mampu dipandu sejauh 300 hingga 320 kilometer.

Jelasnya, sekiranya Proton bersetuju, pihaknya akan melabur sebanyak AS$10 juta (RM34 juta) hingga AS$15 juta (RM51juta) untuk membina kilang bateri di negara ini dalam tempoh dua tahun, namun lokasinya belum ditentukan lagi.

Jelasnya, kos kajian dan penyelidikan untuk menghasilkan tenaga elektrik adalah sebanyak AS$10 juta. (RM34 juta)

Beliau juga menyatakan hasrat untuk membuka sebuah pusat kajian dan penyelidikan kereta elektrik di Malaysia selepas di Belanda.

Lam menyasarkan untuk mengeluarkan 30,000 buah kenderaan berkuasa elektrik antara enam bulan hingga setahun ia beroperasi dan 120,000 buah kenderaan pada tahun kedua seterusnya 270,000 buah kenderaan pada tahun ketiga.

Ditanya mengenai model kenderaan Proton yang akan dijadikan kereta elektrik, beliau berkata, tiga buah model sudah dipilih iaitu Savvy untuk kereta jenis kompak, Persona untuk sedan dan Lotus Elises untuk kereta jenis sports.

Selain itu, DE merancang untuk mengeluarkan bas elektrik yang akan digunakan di Asia dan negara-negara Eropah menjelang akhir tahun depan.


keta nih langsung takleh guna minyak ke, macam ngv tuh
jenuh gak nak cas bateri tuh
tak kira lagi camne pulak bil letrik nya nanti

anginutara

hmm nak cas tu pun satu hal.. kalau sapa2 rumah landed okla.. yang duduk apt atau condo ni macam mana ye

Squall-Leonhart

Kalau Proton confirm partner dgn Detroit Electric (DE), DE akan bina kilang bateri kat Mesia ni. Bukan tu jer, time nak kuarkan keter letrik tu nanti DE akan bina stesen2 quick charge dan dalam masa 2 tahun nanti banyak la stesen quick charge macam stesen minyak gak.

Sementara tu terpaksa la cilok karan kat mana2 soket paling dekat, dan konfem nak kena pakai extension wire panjang giler nyer.

Squall-Leonhart

Originally posted by al-asil at 3-9-2008 10:39 AM
keta nih langsung takleh guna minyak ke, macam ngv tuh
jenuh gak nak cas bateri tuh
tak kira lagi camne pulak bil letrik nya nanti

Yups, 100% letrik... so takder pakai petrol nyer.

Pasal bab nak cas tu, kalau guna soket rumah biasa (240V, 10A) memang kena tunggu 7 jam la, dan anggaran kos nak cas penuh tu lebih kurang RM10 la. Okey la tu, drp kena isi RM127 untuk satu full tank daripada kering nyer.

Kalau cas kat stesen quick charge, dier amik masa setengah jam jer, tapi karan kena kuat laa sekitar 240V 100A.

jofizo

cam tak besk jerk..... range around 300km jer.... time travel jauh2 dok kedah nak balik raya kat johor ka jenuh la kena bawak bateri spare takpun penuh la r&r tuh jadik tempat cas mengecas........

Squall-Leonhart

Kalau dengar setakat 300km jer memang rasa kureng best sebab satu full tank keter selalunya bleh dapat lebih 400 km, tapi buat masa sekarang kira ok la tu... in fact, tu bleh dikatakan satu milestone sebab keter2 letrik sebelum ni even nak sampai jarak 200 km pun tak lepas. Maybe teknologi akan datang nanti bateri akan lagi kecik, lebih power, bleh tahan lagi lama dan nak cas pun lagi sekejap (harap2nyer laa...)

Aku tak fikir bawak bateri spare tu solution yang viable pasal sebijik bateri dier tu dah makan ruang yang lebih kurang sama macam ruang yang dimakan oleh fuel tank keter. So nak tak nak seluruh tempat parking kat tempat rehat highway kena jadik stesen quick charge laa. Tapi at least time dok kat tempat rehat highway tu lebih drp cukup untuk cas bateri keter tu la, sebab kalau setakat nak berenti rehat dan makan (time tak puasa laa) miasanya orang akan berenti rehat lebih drp 1/2 jam.

Tapi, ada satu part yang lagi sakit kalau pakai keter letrik ni... kalau time banjir nanti camaner ek...?

pisang_goreng

buat la 2 cabang...1 pakai batery
1 lagi leh pakai minyak hehehehhehehehe

Squall-Leonhart

Kalau camtu takder la nama keter letrik... keter camtu la yang owang panggil keter hybrid...

syahza

smlm baca kt the star kot.. persona elektrik harga RM80k... tgk gambo ngn headline jerr.. x smpt baca..

syahza

owh ade tempek kt atas tu.. sori baru pasan