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Bincang MnCm - EPISOD 4

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Post time 11-6-2007 11:08 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
tajuk yg terpilih utk episod 4

wajarkah irama traditional dimoden kan? Fusion irama malaysia & rap/hip hop, sesuaikah?

oleh : calmille
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 Author| Post time 11-6-2007 11:09 PM | Show all posts
pandangan yg bernas akan menerima kacang yg setimpal..

p/s: rancangan terpaksa di tukar nama dr debat ke bincang kerana mendapat arahan dr kementerian komunikasi dan multimedia
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 Author| Post time 13-6-2007 12:03 AM | Show all posts
cam tak laku je episod kali ni
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Post time 13-6-2007 01:44 AM | Show all posts
aku tak setuju
mencacatkan dan mencemarkan keindahan irama tradisional tu sendirik.
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Post time 13-6-2007 02:07 AM | Show all posts
Depend. kalo campur dgn hip-hop, honestly i dun like it. buruk betul jd bunyinya. Ibarat Malaysia cuba dibaratkan. Kalo yg fusion2 nie, element etnik tu perlu kuat. mcm Hatinya Tak Tahan or Nafas Cahaya. Tp kalo lagu asli yg origanallynya memang dah sedap. x patut difusekan. bak kata anon, mencacatkan je. mcm lagu Fatwa Pujangga dlm album Dayang. Versi plg annoying penah aku dgr. Rosak teruk lagu tu. Pastu lagu Penawar Rindu dlm album Sawo Matang. Melodi dia tu jd laen. tp x der la bunyinya teruk mcm Lagu Fatwa Pujangga tu. at least blh thn gak dgr. Seriously kalo nak fusion pon, at least 70% of the song is the pure etnik sound.

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Post time 13-6-2007 08:45 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by jac_diehard_fan at 13-6-2007 12:03 AM
cam tak laku je episod kali ni



taruklah jumlah2 pinat yang nak beri

100 ker
200 ker



ke hadiah pinat dah dimansuhkan?

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Post time 13-6-2007 09:33 AM | Show all posts
Tajuk : wajarkah irama traditional dimoden kan? Fusion irama malaysia & rap/hip hop, sesuaikah?


Boleh. Apa salahnya dimodenkan. Bukankah muzik itu hidup dan perlu terus hidup. Ia perlu terus berevolusi membentuk yang baru dan paling penting ia juga sesuai dengan persekitaran baru, iaitu zaman kini, dan kehendak-kehendak baru dari khalayak, iaitu pendengar dan para pembeli CD hari ini. Tetapi apabila ini berlaku janganlah lagi irama muzik tradisional itu panggil dengan namanya yang lama. Jika lagu keroncong sudah dihip hopkan, janganlah lagi sekali-kali ia dipanggil keroncong. Begitu juga dengan zapin dan inang. Berilah nama yang lain kerana keroncong, inang dan zapin tetap perlu dipelihara sebagai keroncong, inang dan zapin dengan ciri-cirinya yang tersendiri.

Perkara ini bukan baru. Malah sudah bermula sejak tahun 1920an lagi apabila penggunaan radio semakin luas dan muzik  mula disampaikan melalui gelombang jauh melepasi sempadan dan jauh dari tanah asal usul irama muzik berkenaan. Irama kalipso yang terkenal di Kepulauan Carribean juga sudah beberapa kali berubah bentuk apabila irama asalnya "dimodenkan" menerusi kahwin campur dengan memasukkan irama-irama lain, khususnya dari Amerika Syarikat. Lama kelamaan, secara tidak langsung, lahirlah ska dan reggae dari kahwin campur ini dan ia menjadi terkenal seluruh dunia.

Yang penting biarlah tujuan satu-satu irama muzik itu dimodenkan sekadar untuk tujuan komersil iaitu untuk memenuhi permintaan pasaran yang berubah dari masa ke masa dan berikutan kemunculan golongan pendengar-pendengar baru.

Yang lebih penting janganlah sampai irama asal itu dibunuh dan dilupakan begitu sahaja. Irama yang asal itu perlu terus dibiarkan kekal dalam bentuknya, malah perlu dipromosi agar kumpulan pendengar baru itu juga boleh menerima dan menghayatinya.

[ Last edited by  Syd at 13-6-2007 11:54 AM ]

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Post time 13-6-2007 09:44 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by jac_diehard_fan at 11-6-2007 11:09 PM
pandangan yg bernas akan menerima kacang yg setimpal..

p/s: rancangan terpaksa di tukar nama dr debat ke bincang kerana mendapat arahan dr kementerian komunikasi dan multimedia



: betul ke nie jac??? nampaknya kontrobersi nie
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Post time 13-6-2007 10:05 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by JAY-Z at 13-6-2007 09:44 AM



: betul ke nie jac??? nampaknya kontrobersi nie

pendapatnya mana??



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 Author| Post time 14-6-2007 01:48 AM | Show all posts

Reply #8 JAY-Z's post

p&c
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 Author| Post time 14-6-2007 01:49 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Syd's post

ade je noks.. klu karangan yg ko buat slalu harus dpt lebey.. berdasarkan isi2 yg padat gituh
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Post time 14-6-2007 02:51 AM | Show all posts
I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea. As long as we're do not to call it Irama Tradisional, that's fine. Call it fusion or something.

I don't think we can just oppose such evolution with a reason that that would mencemarkan the music. As long as we differentiate the terms for traditional ones and the new ones, we're not mencemarkan anything. If they didn't decide to add brass and woodwinds to traditional string-only orchestra, we wouldn't have what we now know as symphony orchestra.

so I really don't mind that. It's creativity at work.

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Post time 14-6-2007 06:32 PM | Show all posts
aku rasa masih belum tiba waktunye! sbb zaman skrg masih ada lagi golongan yg minat irama traditional asli:love: termasuk aku ok  haku x sanggup dimodenkan , moden sikit2 tu ok la, tp jgn over sgt tawww:@

permodenan sesebuah lagu memerlukan medium penerimaan pendengar yang agak kukuh dan bagi merealisasikan lagu tersebut agar menjadi siulan, itu memerlukan ramai artis yg membuat lagu berunsur sedemikian, dan releasekan lagu tersebut SERENTAK.

kenape tajuk aku diterima?

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Post time 14-6-2007 06:51 PM | Show all posts
aku x pasti apakah sebenarnya motif nak difusionkan atau dihip hopkan. Desperado utk mendapat kualiti yg tinggi atau desperado utk memikat hati golongan muda.
Aku x berapa minat muzik2 yg ada fusion dan hip hop nih....aku minat yg pure tradisional yg biasa didengar jer..Rasa lebih melayu jer dengar. Kalu dengar yg pelik2 ni..cthnya macam lagu K anie..rasa dok dlm hutan ja...heheheh

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Post time 15-6-2007 03:02 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by calmille at 6/14/07 02:32 AM
aku rasa masih belum tiba waktunye! sbb zaman skrg masih ada lagi golongan yg minat irama traditional ...


Can they afford to wait until no one on earth likes that genre before they let it evolve?


permodenan sesebuah lagu memerlukan medium penerimaan pendengar yang agak kukuh dan bagi merealisasikan lagu tersebut agar menjadi siulan,

that's what the record company has to think about, because they want the money. The more people like that kind of music, the more money they'll get.
But as an artist, it's not always about money (in fact, it shouldn't be the main motivation). It's about creativity. An artist doesn't have to have a whole lot of fan to produce quality work. Take Mozart for example. He wasn't as influential in his time, but he continued producing music.

itu memerlukan ramai artis yg membuat lagu berunsur sedemikian, dan releasekan lagu tersebut SERENTAK.

Somebody has to start. Somebody has to be the pioneer.
What happens is usually very few start it, and others follow when they see the success. We never really see something brand new comes from a lot of artists at the exact same time.
Take Raihan for example. When they first came out with contemporary Nasheed, nobody else really did that at the time. And after that suddenly more groups in that genre emerged to the mainstream.
That's how it usually goes. One tests the water, then others follow suit. Nothing wrong with it. In fact when the genre becomes big and has huge fanbase, the pioneer is rarely forgotten, in fact, praised.

[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 14-6-2007 11:09 AM ]

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Post time 15-6-2007 03:14 AM | Show all posts
Personally, I don't like Malaysian rap/hip-hop. And I really hate the remake of Standing in the Eyes of The World. But that's just my preference. I don't believe that they shouldn't have come out with such genre. And I don't think they they shouldn't explore traditional music too.
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 Author| Post time 15-6-2007 08:28 AM | Show all posts

Reply #16 BeanDiesel's post

Yah me too.. i prefer the original version... :setuju:
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Post time 15-6-2007 10:25 PM | Show all posts
kenape aku tak dapat kacang?

haku lapar nehh

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 Author| Post time 16-6-2007 12:20 AM | Show all posts

Reply #13 calmille's post

majoriti memilih tajuk anda.. tahniah :tq:
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Post time 16-6-2007 02:07 AM | Show all posts

Reply #1 jac_diehard_fan's post

ada pro & con nyer samada wajar ke tak......

wajar & baiknya kalau suatu irama tradisional tuh dimodenkan....dpt byk tarik peminat yg muda2 cos ada campuran muzik2 terkini, lagi pun ianya more fresh sikit bila dah digabungkan tradisi gan moden gan syarat jgn laa ubah langsung tema tradisi utama yg asal

tp tak wajar lak kalau ianya ditukar, tradisi-moden, irama asal terus hilang, cam tak tau mana yg aslinyer

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