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Adakah ini sejarah asal islam yang telah di manipulasi oleh bangsa arab?
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kau pon kena ban jua? koh3... patutla aku rase mcm dok dlm kelas pandai, sume baik je ngan sopan koh3  |
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Siapa ni?
Saya belum diban lagi.
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Tak sangka u masih research ttg isu ni. Gigihnya u  |
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Well, lelobaies 2 abdol tu arrogant sangat!
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Ha ha ha ha .... he he he he ... tak cukup ke ko malukan diri sendiri FOTHER-MUCKER?
Sampai skg si Dan Gibson (yg hanya ada sekadar entry level qualification in theology) tak mampu bagi tau apa teknik dia gunakan utk determine macamana mesjid tersebut kononnya mengadap Petra
6. Dr. King then noted that Gibson claims that King claims that early Qiblas were “wildly
inaccurate.” OK, I concede this point. Dr. King calls them “approximate solutions.” I used the
words “wildly inaccurate.”
Kot2 dia hanya gunakan 'google earth' aje .... this is very poor lah tambi
Research dia (kononnya research lah) has caused extreme embarrassment in the Christian Missionary Community pasal they are now the laughing stock sampai Zwemer Centre pon dah tulis refutation (Is Petra the Islam's true birthplace or Mecca?) terhadap Dan Gibson oleh Mark Anderson :
Revisionists variously claim the following evidence supports their theory:
• The textual and cartographic data
• The Qur’an’s geographic data
• The hadith’s picture of Mecca
• The archeological record
• Al-Tabari’s historical record
• Mecca’s geographic conditions ......
Revisionists must reckon with two other facts which argue strongly against Islam’s Nabatean or northern origins:
• Qur’anic references to the pagans’ practices of idol worship and animal sacrifice
• The presence of no less than 200 Amharic and Ethiopic loanwords in the Qur’an6 ......
The Byzantines had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice long before Muhammad’s time—including in their province of Arabia Petraea.7 Yet the Qur’an repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Q 2:256-57, 16:36) ....
If the Qur’an’s early suras were given in Petra, one might expect more Coptic than Amharic and Ethiopic loanwords since Nabatea had a much closer cultural connection with Egypt than with Ethiopia. Yet Amharic and Ethiopic words in the Qur’an stand in a 20:1 ratio to Coptic words. (Aramaic and Syriac, on the other hand, exerted major influence on the entire region, even far-off Yemen.) Thus, from both these perspectives the Hijaz is the more likely location of Islam’s emergence. And while the Qur’an mentions Mecca by name only once, it never mentions Petra at all.
Third, since the hadith clearly exaggerate in glorifying Mecca, we must take their hyperbolic descriptions of its grandeur and lush vegetation for what they are.9
Hadith sources consistently disagree when hyperbolizing. It is where they consistently agree that we should pay attention. And they consistently make Mecca Islam’s birthplace.
...revisionists make relates to early mosque orientation. Writer and documentary filmmaker Dan Gibson claims close agreement in the qibla, or prayer direction,of most of Islam’s earliest mosques—but to Petra, not Mecca.12 Frankly speaking, however, this is impossible since their builders used conflicting methods to determine the qibla
Of the proposed answers to this question, two call for our consideration. Gibson puts forward a highly implausible hypothesis that Muslims formerly called Petra “Mecca,” a hypothesis endorsed by Christian apologist Jay Smith. This would mean there were two Meccas, the first being Petra, the second being the Kaaba’s current home in Saudi Arabia. Gibson bases this theory on the testimony of a 9th-10th century Christian historian named Thomas Artsruni, who wrote that Muhammad had preached in Mecca, located in “Arabia Petraea Paran.” According to Gibson, Thomas locates Mecca in Petra, “in southern Jordan.”18
However, Thomas locates Mecca, not in the city of Petra at all, but only in the Byzantine province of Arabia Petraea, specifically in its Paran region—in Sinai. Two things explain Thomas’s mistake
Ni conclusion dari artikel tersebut :
By my reckoning, then, the score is Mecca 7, Petra 0. Muslims do not mistakenly face the wrong direction when they pray. All the available evidence points to Mecca as Islam’s true birthplace.
Apa cerita tambi?
LOL , artikel2 yg jadik rujukkan aku adalah dari real scholars not some two bit person yang hanya sekadar entry level qualification in theology , ie. Dan Gibson
So far :
- Dan Gibson (yg hanya ada sekadar entry level qualification in theology) tak mampu jawab teknik apa dia gunakan utk klaim mesjid menghadap Petra
- Semua poin yg digunakan utk argue Islam dari Petra dikantoikan oleh Mark Anderson
Macam Mark Anderson kata : The score now is Mecca 7 , Petra 0
Ko hanya dapat kosong lah tambi ...
Zakir naik kata tuhan Hindu satu aje ... only correct to a point pasal Brahma adalah bapak kepada several prajapathis
Pasal apa ko hanya cakap pasal 'half truth'?
Kah kah kah .... FOTHER-MUCKER kantoi lagi .... bila lagi nak maki hamun - potong credit tau ... ngak ngak ngak
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 08:34 AM
Oleh kerana kamu raja google forum CARI..cuba google nama nama ni
1) Dr John Wansborough (SOAS: Qur’anic studies, Sect. Milieu)
2) Dr Gerald Hawting (SOAS: 1st c. of Islam)-
3) Dr Patricia Cröne (Princeton: Meccan trade, 15 languages)
4) Dr Andrew Rippin (Calgary: Muslims, Their beliefs/Practices)
5) Dr Robert Hoyland (Oxford: Seeing Islam as Others, 18 lang.)-
6) Dr Yehuda Nevo (Jerusalem: Crossroads to Islam, inscriptions)
7) Dr Gunther Lűling,
8) Dr Gerd-Rüdiger Puin,
9) Dr Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer,
10) Dr Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Germany, earkt Qur'anic MSS)
11) Professor John Healey
Memalukan diri sendiri?
MASIH NAK NAME CALLING? Saya tiada hall! Nanti kamu juga yang sentap seperti pondan!
(Dah banyak kali ditanya soalan tersebut ... jawapan masih yilek Kot2 dia hanya gunakan 'google earth' aje .... this is very poor lah tambi)
UNTUK PENGETAHUAN KAMU DAN G TIDAK MENGGUNAKAN GOOGLE EARTH, DIA BUKAN TARAF KAKI GOOGLE DAN DUDUK DEPAN SCREEN COMPUTER SEPERTI KAMU SAMBL SAMBIL PERASAN TERLALU CERDIK PANDAI...TAPI YILEKKKK..NOTHING.. KAMU HANYALAH SEORANG SAMDOL SAHAJA! 
ARGUMENT YANG SANGAT LEMAH DAN CHILDISH DARI KAKI GOOGLE!
(Ko hanya dapat kosong lah tambi ...)
Kalau setakat king sorang tu tak setuju ada apa hal? King tu lebih untuk menjaga sensitivity’s orang islam sahaja. Tengok sahaja response Dan G pada king!
Dah terang terang dalam quraan dan hadis pun banyak memberitahu tentang becca ataupun Petra Nabatean di Jordan sana. ADA BERAPA BANYAK DALAM QURAAN SEBUT PASAL MECCA ARAB SAUDI?
Sewaktu pembanggunan semejak puluhan tahun dahulu dan masih dalam pembanggunan sekarang ni di Mecca arab Saudi ada ke dia orang jumpa artifact silam? Non hado!
Tengok sahajalah sejarah islam di YouTube tu dari jay smith dan al fadi. Nampak sangat kamu telah di putarbelitkan oleh bangsa arab! Sampai sekarang pun bangsa arab masih tidak berubah semejak ribuan tahun dahulu! Kekekek...masih nak percaya dengan bangsa arab?
Salah satu discuss al fadi dan jay smith! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJX-zuK974
YouTube 1) Al Fadi dan Jay Smith>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jn3hRQNcvyE In March of 2018 Al Fadi invited Dr Jay Smith to his studio to record with him a number of videos on the historical problems concerning Islam's beginnings, and other areas of historical interest.In this series, they are discussing the problems with what we know concerning Islam's emergence onto the world stage.They begin this first episode by assessing the classical account of Muhammad’s life, his time in Mecca, his movement to Medina, and his reception of the Qur’an between 610 – 632 ADIt is this account that we are taught in our schools and universities, and the only account that Muslims are told to believe. Yet, few people have bothered to critique or question it...until now.Rarely are we told that everything we possess on Muhammad's life and saying do not come from anyone who was living at that time (i.e. eyewitness account) but was only written down between 200 – 240 years after the fact, by people who never knew him, nor even lived in the same country he lived.
YouTube 2) HISTORIAN NOW DOUBT HOW ISLAM BEGAN https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-JukhzRNB4k We now come to the very real problems with Islam's history, from the perspective of the historians themselves.
Since so much of what is classically known about how Islam began is derived from the 9th and 10th centuries, for what was happening in the 7th century (thus, around 200 - 300 years too late), historians are concerned by such a time discrepancy. So, they have decided to return to the 7th century, and find out what exactly the historical evidence tells us. And what they are finding is not very encouraging. For instance:-The first Arab inscription referencing Muhammad is in 691 AD, yet it should be from the time Muhammad lived, in 632 AD, or before.
Suggesting no Arab referred to Muhammad for 60 years following his death (Volker Popp-Ohlig & Puin 2010:53)-The first reference to the term ‘Muslim’ is in the 690s. Prior to that time they were called: Saracen’, ‘Hagarene’, ‘Ishmaelite’, ‘Maghraye’, and ‘Muhajiroun’ (‘Chronicle of John of Niku’ – 1602, & Nevo & Koren, 2003:234)-The first reference to the term ‘Islam’ is not until 691 AD (on the Dome of the Rock) (Volker Popp-Ohlig, & Puin 2010:71)-The first reference to Mecca is not until 741 AD, yet this is the city where Abraham supposedly lived in 1800 BC (see Surah and where Muhammad grew up (Crone 1987:134-136; Hoyland 1997:426; Holland 2012:303)-
The first biography of Muhammad within Islamic sources is not until 833 AD (Ibn Hisham & Al Waqidi)These findings are indeed damaging, and suggest that the classical account of how Islam began is not only false, but can not be supported when observing that which history affords us.The scholars who are doing this investigation involve some of the best minds in the Western world today, including:-Dr John Wansborough (SOAS: Qur’anic studies, Sect. Milieu)-Dr Gerald Hawting (SOAS: 1st c. of Islam)-Dr Patricia Cröne (Princeton: Meccan trade, 15 languages)-Dr Andrew Rippin (Calgary: Muslims, Their beliefs/Practices)-Dr Robert Hoyland (Oxford: Seeing Islam as Others, 18 lang.)-Dr Yehuda Nevo (Jerusalem: Crossroads to Islam, inscriptions)-Dr Gunther Lűling, Dr Gerd-Rüdiger Puin, Dr Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer, Dr Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Germany, earkt Qur'anic MSS)
YouTube 3) ISLAMIC GEOGRAPHY & THE PROBLEM WITH MECCA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOne46oN6g
YouTube 4) MECCA IS NOT A VERY OLD CITY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EM6ukHF8eu8
Banyak lagi video jay smith dan al fadi...takut nantti kamu pergi semayam di hindu temple sebelum gantung diri pula bila tengok banyak sangat!
P/S jangan pula kata saya menghina..kerana ini yang kamu mahukan!
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Eh..wow siapa pula yang cuba copycat nivk saya ni? |
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Edited by sam1528 at 4-11-2018 12:43 AM
He he he he .... apa lah ko ni FOTHER-MUCKER ... baru kena tampar sikit , dah hilang akai
Pasal apa ko tak gunakan 'FOTHER-MUCKER'? Takut kena potong credit lagi kot
Bermakna ko ni pengecut lah
Oooo , ko bagi the list of scholars .... cuba bagi apa depa cakap pasal Islam & Nabi Muhammad(saw) & bagi buku rujukkan mereka & apa depa cakap
Tak kan tak mampu kot .... hang hanya copy paste aje dari youtube description Jay Smith , who incidentally is a failed christian missionary kat UK & dah cabut balik ke US. BTW dia masih tak dapat PhD dia after more than 15 years ... a failed scholar = not a scholar lah tambi
Tu pasal Zwemer Centre amat malu dgn Jay Smith .... kesiannya , Christian scholars kat Zwemer kantoikan Jay Smith
Jay Smith is your hero eh? What an irony
Memalukan diri sendiri?
MASIH NAK NAME CALLING? Saya tiada hall! Nanti kamu juga yang sentap seperti pondan!
(Dah banyak kali ditanya soalan tersebut ... jawapan masih yilek Kot2 dia hanya gunakan 'google earth' aje .... this is very poor lah tambi)
UNTUK PENGETAHUAN KAMU DAN G TIDAK MENGGUNAKAN GOOGLE EARTH, DIA BUKAN TARAF KAKI GOOGLE DAN DUDUK DEPAN SCREEN COMPUTER SEPERTI KAMU SAMBL SAMBIL PERASAN TERLALU CERDIK PANDAI...TAPI YILEKKKK..NOTHING.. KAMU HANYALAH SEORANG SAMDOL SAHAJA! 
ARGUMENT YANG SANGAT LEMAH DAN CHILDISH DARI KAKI GOOGLE!
(Ko hanya dapat kosong lah tambi ...)
Kalau setakat king sorang tu tak setuju ada apa hal? King tu lebih untuk menjaga sensitivity’s orang islam sahaja. Tengok sahaja response Dan G pada king!
Jadik Teknik apa yg si mamat Dan Gibson (yg hanya ada sekadar entry level qualification in theology) guna?
Banyak kali dah tanya soalan ni tapi ko tak mampu jawab .... oops tak ada jawapan ke? tak ada jawapan lah tu
Senang aje pekena kan ko
Mamat Dan Gibson (yg hanya ada sekadar entry level qualification in theology) kot2 guna google earth aje
Ha ha ha ha ... Prof King sorang aje tak setuju ... hmmm , ko tau tak sapa kat Zwemer Centre tu? Oh yeah , ko kan katak bawah tempurung ... apa yg ko tau
No answers yeah ... kesian ... nak kata apa .... geng muslim bagi fakta , liberal macam ko hanya auta aje
Dah terang terang dalam quraan dan hadis pun banyak memberitahu tentang becca ataupun Petra Nabatean di Jordan sana. ADA BERAPA BANYAK DALAM QURAAN SEBUT PASAL MECCA ARAB SAUDI?
Sewaktu pembanggunan semejak puluhan tahun dahulu dan masih dalam pembanggunan sekarang ni di Mecca arab Saudi ada ke dia orang jumpa artifact silam? Non hado!
LOL , bila dah kantoi , mula lah ko buat assertion kureng cerdik Bakka dlm Quran adalah kat Petra
Pulak dah , sebelum ni mengaku pulak bakka = mekkah .... ko tak mabuk todi ye
You are just going in circles chasing your own backside lah tambi
Laaa ... pasal apa ko kitar semula youtube video ttg Mekkah & Petra tambi?
Kan dah bagi jawapan dari
- Prof King
- Mark Anderson
Ko jawab aje lah .... kitar semula isu yg dah kantoi is not addressing the issue
Kan Mark Anderson dah bagi ttg archeological records :
Fourth, revisionists make two claims about the archeological record. The first relates to the fact that we have no evidence that Mecca was inhabited in the seventh century. Due to the Saudi government’s absolute dread of shirk—roughly translated, idolatry—it adamantly forbids all archeological study of Mecca’s historic sites. Indeed, the Saudis seem determined to obliterate the city’s historic record in their rush to dwarf the Kaaba with skyscrapers. An estimated 95% of Mecca’s historic buildings have been demolished to allow for this building spree. Any remaining historic sites are treated with a strange combination of fear, contempt and scholarly avoidance, lest they be idolized.11 This leaves us with no archeological evidence whatsoever, either for or against Mecca’s being Islam’s birthplace
Gebg liberal macam ko yg appeal to these 'revisionist' selalunya tak pakai otak
Dok togok aje kencing org ... kan dah kena dgn scholar kristian ... 'peeek' , setepek tang dahi
No historical record of Prophet Muhammad(saw) till 691AD? Lu gila ka tambi?
Too bad for you :
Doctrina Iacobi Nuper Baptizati, 13–20 AH / 634–640 CE.Written by a Christian apologist, this anti-Jewish tract illuminates the story of the forced conversion of a Palestinian Jewish merchant named Jacob to Christianity. After reading the scriptures, instead of resenting his forced baptism, he recognises the truth of his newly found faith and is eager to share his experience with other Jews. Though it is quite clear this is a fictitious account designed for apologetic purposes, the historical details of contemporary events accurately recounted by the anonymous author reveals some quite startling information - the appearance of a new Prophet among the Saracens.
When the candidatus was killed by the Saracens, I was at Caesarea and I set off by boat to Sykamina. People were saying "the candidatus has been killed," and we Jews were overjoyed. And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. I, having arrived at Sykamina, stopped by a certain old man well-versed in scriptures, and I said to him: "What can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens?" He replied, groaning deeply: "He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword. Truly they are works of anarchy being committed today and I fear that the first Christ to come, whom the Christians worship, was the one sent by God and we instead are preparing to receive the Antichrist. Indeed, Isaiah said that the Jews would retain a perverted and hardened heart until all the earth should be devastated. But you go, master Abraham, and find out about the prophet who has appeared." So I, Abraham, inquired and heard from those who had met him that there was no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men's blood. He says also that he has the keys of paradise, which is incredible.[18] This source vies with the following two texts detailed below, viz., A Record Of The Arab Conquest Of Syria, 637 CE and Thomas The Presbyter, c. 640 CE, as being amongst the very earliest non-Islamic sources to mention Prophet Muḥammad. Furthermore, this is the earliest text to ascribe to his teachings an explicit religious motivation.[19]
Nak kena lagi? This follows the requirement laid by Wansbrough , Koren & Nevo :
Following the footsteps of Wansbrough, a different approach was taken by Judith Koren and Yehuda Nevo to study Islamic history. They contend that any Muslim source must be checked against a non-Muslim source (preferably material, e.g., archaeology, epigraphy, numismatics), and if the two sources conflict, the non-Muslim source is to be preferred.[7] Concerning Muhammad, they claim:
Macamana skg? Ada rekod oleh non muslim pada CE634 ttg Nabi Muhammad(saw)
Ha ha ha ha ... he he he he ... this is only 2 years after baginda wafat lah tambi
Oops ... tambi FOTHER-MUCKER yg kureng cerdik kena lagi .... kan dah malu
LOL ... sumber ko hanyalah sorang missionary bernama Jay Smith. Ko tau tak mamat tu 15 thn pon tak mampu habiskan PhD dia. Oops , timeframe PhD dia pon dah lapsed.
Ertikata lain ... sumber referensi ko adalah dari a failed scholar , Jay Smith , failed scholar = non scholar
Kah kah kah .... geng muslim refer to real scholars , geng liberal macam FOTHER-MUCKER refer to a failed scholar macam Jay Smith .... oops failed scholar = not a scholar
Kesian nya .... nak kata apa , ko kan kurang cerdik , senang kena kencing
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Aiiik ... sendiri bikin sendiri tanya ka?
Awat? Hang takut kena potong credil lagi ka
Ataupon ko dah malu gunakan nick sendiri
Maklum lah kena tampar kiri kanan
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 12:58 AM
Tarak testikal punya Sam ..minta bantuan kaum kau, tapi kaum kau tu sama sahaja seperti kau 2x5!
Problem dengan kau ni kau tak faham English!
Tahap darjah satu punya English pun kau tak boleh faham.
Sebagai contoh seperti yang kat bawah ni...
Tak pasti nak panggil kamu ni siapa sebenarnya? The first house of worship making reference to the Ka’bah, Kabah itu dengan sendirinya adalah kiblat bagi orang islam.
Ataupun kiblat kamu bukan ke arah kabah?
Bagi tau saya kiblat kamu ke arah mana? Jerusalem? Batu cave?
The first house of worship
Making reference to the Ka'bah, Allah Almighty, tells us in the Quran that it was (what means):“The first house (of worship) established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) – blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”[Quran 3: 96]
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Edited by sam1528 at 4-11-2018 01:15 AM
Ha ha ha ha .... FOTHER-MOCKER dah kantoi dimalukan dgn terhina sekali
Tetiba lari kepada isu yg sekali lagi kantoi iaitu Mekkah & kaabah pada Quran3:96
Ni merepek ko :
Problem dengan kau ni kau tak faham English!
Tahap darjah satu punya English pun kau tak boleh faham.
Sebagai contoh seperti yang kat bawah ni...
Tak pasti nak panggil kamu ni siapa sebenarnya? The first house of worship making reference to the Ka’bah, Kabah itu dengan sendirinya adalah kiblat bagi orang islam.
Ataupun kiblat kamu bukan ke arah kabah?
Bagi tau saya kiblat kamu ke arah mana? Jerusalem? Batu cave?
The first house of worship
Making reference to the Ka'bah, Allah Almighty, tells us in the Quran that it was (what means):“The first house (of worship) established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) – blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”[Quran 3: 96]
LOL , aku tau lah ko ni dah hilang akai
Ko tak tau apa yg ko dok merepek
Kehulu kehilir kaabah lepas tu kiri kanan 'first house of worship' lepas tu berpusing pasal Qibla
Cuba ko baca Quran3:96 , aku underline bagi ko
Cuba ko jelas kat aku apa dia apa maksud statement tersebut
Aku rasa2 lah ko ni kurang fasih english lah tambi
Buat malu aje ko mati2 klaim duduk kat UK
Aiiik! Cakap pulak ttg tarak testicles?
Tak kan benda lawak aku nak simpan sorang kot
Kena lah share dgn org lain .... depa pon boleh tumpang ketawa
Kah kah kah .... sikit kena tampar sudah hilang akai ka tambi
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 04:21 AM
Kekeke...jay smith tu hanya memberi Ulsan sahaja lah SAMDOL dari kajian nama nama seperti di bawah ni termasuk juga dari Dan G. Itu pun kau tak mampu nak faham ka? Patutlah SUSAH BERFORUM DENGAN SAMDOL LOW IQ Tahap budak tadika kampung pisang ni segala galanya FAILED..
By the way quraan dan hadis tak tipu kan? KERANA DIA ORANG BUAT KAJIAN BERPANDUKAN QURAAN DAN HADIS dan juga sejarah islam yang sedia ada,
1) Dr John Wansborough (SOAS: Qur’anic studies, Sect. Milieu)
2) Dr Gerald Hawting (SOAS: 1st c. of Islam)-
3) Dr Patricia Cröne (Princeton: Meccan trade, 15 languages)
4) Dr Andrew Rippin (Calgary: Muslims, Their beliefs/Practices)
5) Dr Robert Hoyland (Oxford: Seeing Islam as Others, 18 lang.)-
6) Dr Yehuda Nevo (Jerusalem: Crossroads to Islam, inscriptions)
7) Dr Gunther Lűling,
8) Dr Gerd-Rüdiger Puin,
9) Dr Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer,
10) Dr Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Germany, earkt Qur'anic MSS)
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 05:04 AM
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 04:47 AM
mungkin 1000 tahun dahulu arab tak pernah fikir pun bahawa selepas 1000 tahun manusia boleh menggunakan satelite untuk melihat bumi dari LANGIT. dan mengali semula peninggalan sejarah sepertiman yang mereka sedang lakukan sekarang di becca ataupun petra.
by the way siapa jay smith? dia tiadalah samdol seperti kamu! bahasa english pun tak faham sekurangnya jay smith ada M.A islamic ...kau? hanyalah badut forum ci jewww. kalau lebai samdol nak tau dimana jay smith ambil master islamic dia..samdol boleh CLICK disini >> https://www.fuller.edu/academics/areas-of-interest/islamic-studies/
In 1981, while studying for his masters, Smith attended a seminar on Islam and noting that there were only 1,500 Christians ministering to Muslims worldwide, he decided to become a missionary to the Muslim world and pursued a second master's degree in Islamic studies from Fuller Theological Seminary.[1]
Smith believes that although both Islam and Christianity include radicals, moderates, and liberals, it is radical Muslims that commit violence as they take the Qur’anseriously, while radical Christians who also take the Bible seriously serve others in love. He claims that radical Muslims model their lives on Muhammad, while radical Christians model their lives on Jesus Christ.[11] Smith believes the growth in radical Islam in Britain is due to disaffected Muslims, often minimally religious, returning to their Islamic roots.
He says that after reading the Islamic scriptures, (the Qur'an in conjunction with the hadith, tafsir, and sira), they come to the conclusion that the Salafi/Athari understanding is the true form of Islam.[2] Smith also believes that although Western actions in the Islamic world can instigate Muslim discontent, it is the Islamic scriptures that encourage the violence. He also rues the fact that moderate Muslims are not able to challenge the radicals using scripture because he believes the radicals have the scriptural authority.[2] Smith believes that ultimately Muslims and others will realize that the Muslim scriptures, coupled with the example of their prophet Muhammad are irrelevant to modern times.[2]
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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 4-11-2018 08:16 AM
Early Islamic Inscriptions from Danqur al-Khaznah at Becca/Petra Nabataean Jordan. KALAU LEBAI SAMDOL NAK TENGOK DAN MEMBACA SEBAHAGIAN HISTORY ISLAMIC DI PETRA DENGAN JELAS PLEASE CLICK LINK DIBAWAH NI... itu pun kalau lebai samdol boleh faham lah!
http://www.academia.edu/1391820/Early_Islamic_Inscriptions_from_Danqur_al-Khaznah_at_Petra
Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscriptions The pre-Islamic Arabic is often referred to as the "Old Arabic" by scholars. The most obvious characteristic of the Old Arabic is the use of the definite article ʾl-, the precursor of classical Arabic ʾal-. Old Arabic seems to have remained a purely spoken language until the late fifth / early sixth centuries CE which means that no specific script was associated with it before that period. Thus, on the rare occasions when it was written, the script associated with the local language of prestige was used: South Arabian in the southern half of the Peninsula; Nabataean at Ḥijr, ʿEn ʿAvdat in the Negev, and at al-Namarah; a form of eastern Aramaic at Mleiha on the Oman Peninsula; and early Arabic, mainly in Syria.
The Arabic script originated from the Nabataean script. T. Nöldeke was the first to establish the link between the Nabataean and Arabic scripts in 1865, which later confirmed against J. Starcky's Syriac thesis by Grohmann. The affiliation between Nabataean and Arabic scripts has now been fully documented by J. Healey. Following are the example of some of the inscriptions written in Old Arabic.
Although the inscription is in the "old" Arabic, it was written in the musnad script. This is the earliest known Arabic inscription written in the musnad script.
The inscription contains six lines; first four of which are in Aramaic and the last two are in Arabic, written in Nabataean alphabet. The Arabic portion is composed of verses of poetry. The inscription shows us that not only was Arabic poetry being composed around the turn of first/second century, but also that it was much like the poetry that was familiar to us from four centuries later. The Arabic part of the inscription consists of three hemistichs in al-tawil, the most commonly used of the classical meters.
Healey and Smith have hailed it as the earliest dated Arabic document. The salient point of this inscription is that it has diacritical points on the letters د، ش and ر.
This inscription is unique is several respects. It is the earliest inscription so far discovered in the classical Arabic language. Also it is the one of the two Arabic inscriptions written in Nabataean alphabet. This inscription is the only contemporary evidence we have in Arabic about the life of King Imru'l Qais. This inscription, therefore, is of great interest both to the historians as well as philologians.
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Baaahwahwahwa .... FOTHER-MUCKER hanya mampu bagi list yg kononnya Jay Smith (si non scholar) to bagi
Lepas tu dok berkhayal yg kononnya macam ni:
Kekeke...jay smith tu hanya memberi Ulsan sahaja lah SAMDOL dari kajian nama nama seperti di bawah ni termasuk juga dari Dan G. Itu pun kau tak mampu nak faham ka? Patutlah SUSAH BERFORUM DENGAN SAMDOL LOW IQ Tahap budak tadika kampung pisang ni segala galanya FAILED..
By the way quraan dan hadis tak tipu kan? KERANA DIA ORANG BUAT KAJIAN BERPANDUKAN QURAAN DAN HADIS dan juga sejarah islam yang sedia ada,
1) Dr John Wansborough (SOAS: Qur’anic studies, Sect. Milieu)
2) Dr Gerald Hawting (SOAS: 1st c. of Islam)-
3) Dr Patricia Cröne (Princeton: Meccan trade, 15 languages)
4) Dr Andrew Rippin (Calgary: Muslims, Their beliefs/Practices)
5) Dr Robert Hoyland (Oxford: Seeing Islam as Others, 18 lang.)-
6) Dr Yehuda Nevo (Jerusalem: Crossroads to Islam, inscriptions)
7) Dr Gunther Lűling,
8) Dr Gerd-Rüdiger Puin,
9) Dr Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer,
10) Dr Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Germany, earkt Qur'anic MSS)
Ha ha ha ha ... lepas tu dok copy paste (hanya dari descripsi youtube tapi bukan buku tau)
on Muhammad's life and saying do not come from anyone who was living at that time (i.e. eyewitness account) but was only written down between 200 – 240 years after the fact,
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No historical record of Prophet Muhammad(saw) till 691AD? Lu gila ka tambi?
Too bad for you :
Doctrina Iacobi Nuper Baptizati, 13–20 AH / 634–640 CE.Written by a Christian apologist, this anti-Jewish tract illuminates the story of the forced conversion of a Palestinian Jewish merchant named Jacob to Christianity. After reading the scriptures, instead of resenting his forced baptism, he recognises the truth of his newly found faith and is eager to share his experience with other Jews. Though it is quite clear this is a fictitious account designed for apologetic purposes, the historical details of contemporary events accurately recounted by the anonymous author reveals some quite startling information - the appearance of a new Prophet among the Saracens.
When the candidatus was killed by the Saracens, I was at Caesarea and I set off by boat to Sykamina. People were saying "the candidatus has been killed," and we Jews were overjoyed. And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. I, having arrived at Sykamina, stopped by a certain old man well-versed in scriptures, and I said to him: "What can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens?" He replied, groaning deeply: "He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword. Truly they are works of anarchy being committed today and I fear that the first Christ to come, whom the Christians worship, was the one sent by God and we instead are preparing to receive the Antichrist. Indeed, Isaiah said that the Jews would retain a perverted and hardened heart until all the earth should be devastated. But you go, master Abraham, and find out about the prophet who has appeared." So I, Abraham, inquired and heard from those who had met him that there was no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men's blood. He says also that he has the keys of paradise, which is incredible.[18] This source vies with the following two texts detailed below, viz., A Record Of The Arab Conquest Of Syria, 637 CE and Thomas The Presbyter, c. 640 CE, as being amongst the very earliest non-Islamic sources to mention Prophet Muḥammad. Furthermore, this is the earliest text to ascribe to his teachings an explicit religious motivation.[19]
Nak kena lagi? This follows the requirement laid by Wansbrough , Koren & Nevo :
Following the footsteps of Wansbrough, a different approach was taken by Judith Koren and Yehuda Nevo to study Islamic history. They contend that any Muslim source must be checked against a non-Muslim source (preferably material, e.g., archaeology, epigraphy, numismatics), and if the two sources conflict, the non-Muslim source is to be preferred.[7] Concerning Muhammad, they claim:
Macamana skg? Ada rekod oleh non muslim pada CE634 ttg Nabi Muhammad(saw)
Ha ha ha ha ... he he he he ... this is only 2 years after baginda wafat lah tambi
Oops .... malunya tambi FOTHER-MUCKER
Togok lagi lah kencing the non scholar Jay Smith
Dia dah kencing ko ttg rujukkan dia daaa ....
Patut pon ko tak berani bagi referensi buku2 yg ditulis oleh org2 tersebut
Kah kah kah .... FOTHER-MUCKER kantoi lagi pasal kureng fasih english ... lu tarak paham ka apa lu baca ka .... lu ada baca ka?
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@Maideen. @FOTHER-MUCKER @katowjo
Tiga badut yg tak kureng fasih english pasal tak paham apa korang baca
Mati2 parcaya pada revisionist history
LOL ... dah togok kencing the non scholar Jay Smith sampai mabuk
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