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Perception In Love: Problem or Not?

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Post time 22-4-2008 11:55 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
Aku bukak topik ni utk membincangkan pasal perception in love. Dalam bercinta, kadang2 kita terpikir samada perbuatan yg kita buat itu salah atau betul, moral or immoral dan sebagainya. Sometime this things depends on the individual. Soal moral dand immoral practice is subjective. What is moral and immoral to you? Banyak faktor perlu diambil kira dalam soal ini. Sesetengah orang mengambil faktor agama utk justify perbuatan moral dan immoral. Ada pula mengambil faktor persekitaran pembesaran atau education value yang diterimanya.

Jadi, perbuatan seseorang itu akan ditafsir oleh orang lain dengan cara berbeza. Kita mempunyai kefahaman, perasaan dan pemahaman yg tersendiri. Sebagai contoh, apabila seseorang lelaki tidak membuka pintu kepada pasangan wanitanya, mungkin wanita tersebut mengganggap perbuatan lelaki itu tidak bermoral manakala lelaki itu pula mengganggap perbuatannya itu moral. Jadi, siapa yang salah dan siapa yg betul?

Mungkin sesetengah daripada kita akan mengeluarkan hujah2 yg bernas daripada sumber2 yg terbaik. Tetapi, by the end of the day, the individual itself yg akan dipertanggungjawabkan atas tindakan yang diambil.
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Post time 22-4-2008 12:25 PM | Show all posts
perbuatan moral dan immoral nih bergantung kepada :

1) budaya
2) pemikiran - cara pemikiran
3) didikan - agama/sekular
4) ilmu yg diperolehi
5) pergaulan - sosiolisasi
6) family background
7) n etc....

its depend on how people perceive things...based on those elements above
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 Author| Post time 22-4-2008 12:33 PM | Show all posts

Reply #2 afja's post

that's true, one could not judge or put punishment to the other person base one their personal or individual believe. Sebab itu lah banyak perkara yang tidak elok kian menjadi2 di dunia ni...
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Post time 22-4-2008 12:35 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ifanonline at 22-4-2008 12:33 PM
that's true, one could not judge or put punishment to the other person base one their personal or individual believe. Sebab itu lah banyak perkara yang tidak elok kian menjadi2 di dunia ni...


so.... cemana nk kaitkan dgn LOVE?

tepuk dada tanya IMAN...
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Post time 22-4-2008 01:25 PM | Show all posts
pening japp aku..

moral & immoral nie..utk pasangan kita ke. atau kita tgk pasangan org lain?

contoh, kenalan aku. mmg dah "terlalu intim" dgn pasangan dia tapi, takder penetration. kawan aku tu perempuan ye..
tapi..aku tak judge pulak itu immoral..sbb aku pikir..itu suka hati dia la..however..aku suka dengar citer2 dia..sbb kekadang..dia kasi tips.   aku suka ajekk..sbb kekadang..aku suka tanya soalan2 bodo gak..nak tanya kt porem..malu..  nnt nampak tanya soalan bodo/banggang lak..
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Post time 22-4-2008 01:28 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Hana at 22-4-2008 01:25 PM
pening japp aku..

moral & immoral nie..utk pasangan kita ke. atau kita tgk pasangan org lain?

contoh, kenalan aku. mmg dah "terlalu intim" dgn pasangan dia tapi, takder penetration. kaw ...



kompem ke x de penetration?

tu nk ckp still virgin la yer?
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Post time 22-4-2008 01:31 PM | Show all posts
fuh..penetration.. bahasaa..
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Post time 22-4-2008 02:53 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by afja at 22-4-2008 01:28 PM



kompem ke x de penetration?

tu nk ckp still virgin la yer?


spt mana dia ckpla.
aku tak tanya lebih2.

aku baik tau..
tak kasi ceramah..
tak tanya byk..cuma sekali sekala..tanya laa sket2 soalan bodo2 mcm..tak geli ke? best tak? rasa ape?    nnt dia explain la..
cuma tadah telinga ajek..

kalau aku tanya soalan2 bodo kt porem..nnt org misti reply - gi ler buat dulu..
aler..kalau aku gi buat..nnt dose..tanak masuk neraka..

uik..rosak thread ifan..ko la..suka rosak kan thread owang..

[ Last edited by  Hana at 22-4-2008 02:56 PM ]
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Post time 22-4-2008 02:55 PM | Show all posts
ekekekeke.....
awat x tanya wat oral yerk?


(uiks... kena potong kedit ke x nih? )


_______________________

hana.... pi la FD....
replai kat trid.... jodoh kene pk ke x?
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Post time 22-4-2008 08:12 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Hana at 22-4-2008 01:25 PM
pening japp aku..

moral & immoral nie..utk pasangan kita ke. atau kita tgk pasangan org lain?

contoh, kenalan aku. mmg dah "terlalu intim" dgn pasangan dia tapi, takder penetration. kaw ...


cik hana...
pe antara soalan2 bodo tu....
hehehehe....
:eek:
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Post time 22-4-2008 11:52 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ifanonline at 22-4-2008 11:55 AM
Aku bukak topik ni utk membincangkan pasal perception in love. Dalam bercinta, kadang2 kita terpikir samada perbuatan yg kita buat itu salah atau betul, moral or immoral dan sebagainya. Sometime  ...


Memang betul .. kayu pengukur untuk meyukat morality ade berbagai-bagai jenis...
Tapi adakah kayu pengukur yang lebih baik dari agama ? (bagi yang beragama Islam)
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Post time 23-4-2008 01:49 AM | Show all posts
semua yg beragama islam bound to islam nyer moral...

tp yer lah.. bile dah berkapel ni.. paham jer lah.. iman jer jadi pendinding.. ( errrrr  tuh pon belum tentu... kl setan ader... ntah2 leh terlajak...)

ader yg konsider pegang2 tangan..ok .. takat tuh jer  . selagi tak penetrate...
then peluk2... ok.....takat tuh jer .  selagi tak penetrate..
then kiss2... ok.....takat tuh jer ..  selagi tak penetrate
then ringan2 ok.....takat tuh jer ..  selagi tak penetrate
then ader yg consider sexual intercourse ok.. selagi they r truth and love each other...

soooo (pesanan kepada diri sendiri gak....).. ingat muka mak ayah ketika berkapel .. sbb berdua-duaan tuh besttttttttttt sgt...sgt...sgt:bg:
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Post time 23-4-2008 08:28 AM | Show all posts

Reply #1 ifanonline's post

like you proposed, perception is subjective.
but when you perform epoche (reduction) then you can point out what type of perception you want to achieve in love. ~Husserl epoche methods
maybe your action is OK by moral standards
maybe your action is OK by culture standards
maybe your action is OK by gender equality

bile duduk kat mesia, kita rasa extra conscious sbb w'pun pasangan tak kisah pasal PDA, ada org lain yg kisah.
bile duduk kat luar, mmg org kata suke ati depa la nak buat ape sbb culture lain hormat privacy kita.

so the above apply on general note, however in terms of intimate relationship, esp when the relationship dah bersatu & dedua dah berstuju utk bersama (w'pun tak la kawen lg) it is important to make sure communication is clear on things like this. i have to be honest, sometimes even small little things can trigger an argument. mcm ada member aku ni, suka marshmallow pastu bf dia kata marshmallow tu haram sbb ada gelatine. sudahnye dedua tak lepak coffee bean.
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Post time 23-4-2008 08:38 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by redsinner at 23-4-2008 08:28 AM
like you proposed, perception is subjective.
but when you perform epoche (reduction) then you can point out what type of perception you want to achieve in love. ~Husserl epoche methods
maybe y ...


hi red....
lama x nampak?
bila nk mkn nasik minyak nih?
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Post time 23-4-2008 09:49 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by True-X at 23-4-2008 01:49 AM
semua yg beragama islam bound to islam nyer moral...

tp yer lah.. bile dah berkapel ni.. paham jer lah.. iman jer jadi pendinding.. ( errrrr  tuh pon belum tentu... kl setan ader... ntah2 leh  ...



err..1 soalan..
nape ko byk sgt word "penetrate" nie?
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Post time 23-4-2008 09:50 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by comelzz at 22-4-2008 08:12 PM


cik hana...
pe antara soalan2 bodo tu....
hehehehe....
:eek:


nak tau ke? malu laa...
aku nak taip pun malu..
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Post time 23-4-2008 09:52 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by thedude at 22-4-2008 11:52 PM


Memang betul .. kayu pengukur untuk meyukat morality ade berbagai-bagai jenis...
Tapi adakah kayu pengukur yang lebih baik dari agama ? (bagi yang beragama Islam)


aha..
islam membenarkan lelaki kawen sampai 4. iaitu poligami.
jadi..lelaki boleh mengurat sana sini selagi 4 quota tak dipenuhi.
tapi..xtvt mengurat sana sini/ada gf - dianggap immoral oleh pasangannye

itu mcm mana ?
haa..
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Post time 23-4-2008 10:22 AM | Show all posts

Reply #17 Hana's post

selalunye bab poligami jer baru quote Islam.
kalo bab2 lain tu main hentam saja... hihih  
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Post time 23-4-2008 10:23 AM | Show all posts

Reply #14 afja's post

hi afja...
red tumpang lalu thread emosi afja kat LC ari tu....sabar2 yek  

takleh jawab la soklan tuh      
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Post time 23-4-2008 10:54 AM | Show all posts

Reply #15 Hana's post

aku follow kak hana.... nak tulis "seksual intekos" panjang sangat
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