Truth.8 posted on 28-9-2014 12:23 PM
well, in ali sinai site it clearly he says debuke zaki naik and few others...if you cannot understand this easy writings, i would suggest you get a fairy tales books to read
LOL , another blur and dimwitted response from you. You never read , much less understand anything , do you?
Since when did Ali Sina debate Dr Nailk? Why don't you click the tag of Dr Zakir Naik per your post #173? Can you then explain just when did Ali Sina debate much less refute Dr Naik?
LOL , Dr Nailk requested him for a live debate but Ali Sina got scared. This is what cheapsakes like Ali Sina do. Look for cheap publicity but run at the last moment. You also sama sama lah.
Let see , what topic will you now jump to.
For the 4th time :
This goes back to my question. If someone wants to rape your mother or sister would you fight them and accept the chance that you would be killed in the process? Oops , my bad , you are a christian and your man God tells you to turn the other cheek. Most probably you would offer the rapist(s) your wife after he / they , is / are done with your mother and sister. You probably make them a snack as well. Is that what you would do? I guess so .... yes?
Lets see how you answer. If you say no , then you admit Quran9:111 is relevant to you. If you say yes , you better go castrate yourself as you cannot even protect your own family.
Such a simple question , you twist and turn trying to run ...... LOL
sam1528 posted on 28-9-2014 04:00 PM
LOL , another blur and dimwitted response from you. You never read , much less understand anything ...
whether he debate or not, ali sina has debated many and won..
here we go again: The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik
Scores of Muslims asked me to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik and told me he can respond to all my charges against Islam. I agreed. This page shows our correspondence with these Muslims and Dr. Niak's refusal
In this page there are more exchanges between a Muslim sympathizer of Dr. Niak, Dr. Niak himself or one of his buddies and me.
These two pages are published for the benefit of the Muslims who keep inviting me to debate with Dr. Niak. It is to let them see that their hero is the one who is evading the debate and see his excuses. This is to show the Muslims that there are no answers to the charges against Islam. I hope this will convince you to read this site more carefully and find out the truth on your own. If you still think someone can answer these charges, write to him and send him one of the questions raised in this site and see what you get as response. I did that myself when I first read the Quran and was shocked. I asked many scholars whom I trusted and thought they are knowledgeable. None of them had any answers. Try that yourself and find out the truth.
Munir Qasim is an admirer of Dr. Zakir Naik. He assured me that Dr. Naik can respond to all my charges against Islam and Muhammad. He wrote to him for the second time and this is what he got in response:
I pray to Allah (swt) for your health, happiness and vigour in Islamic spirits. Aameen.
Jazakallah and thanks for your email dated 10th December 2004. We are hearing about Ali Sina for the first time. There are several such Non-Muslims who would love to debate Dr. Zakir Naik for gaining popularity.
Dr. Zakir Naik prefers a public debate rather than a debate on email which can continue for months and years together for which Dr. Zakir Naik has no time.
Dr. Zakir Naik would not mind debating Non-Muslims as long as he has a standing in the society and has a large following. If any Non-Muslim who can attract atleast ten thousand audience for his individual public talk Dr. Zakir Naik would not mind debating him. Other wise the person is not worth wasting time and neither would we like to make him popular.
Please let me know whether this Mr. Ali Sina has a large following and is worth debating. If he cannot attract ten thousand audience on his own let him give his so called research on Islam to any Non-Muslim religious speaker who can attract ten thousand or more audience and Dr. Zakir Naik would love to debate such a person.
Mr. Ali Sina is welcome to pose this challenge on his website.
May Allah (swt) shower His Choicest Blessings on the entire Muslim Ummah and help us in our mission of bearing witness to the truth of Islam before all mankind. Aameen
With warm regards and salaams from all of us at IRF. Jazakallahu Khairan was Salaam,
Yours in the Service of Islam,
MAQBOOL BARWELKAR
Public Relation Manager
Hi Mr Sina
I passed on your challange to Dr Zakir Naik.Attached is his reply for your information.Looking forward for your comments.
M M Qasim
Dear Munir Qasim
Please advise Mr. Zakir Naik that my site attracts over 140,000 visitors each month and growing. According to Alexa.com faithfreedom.org is at least 12 times more popular than his site. Maybe this will deflate his condescending pomposity. So if the statistics are of any indication, it is he who will rise is stature by debating with me and not the other way round.
As for face to face debate in front of camera or in public places, I consider it theatrics and have no desire for that. It is time consuming, expensive and what can you say in just two hours? Or, actually one, because half of the time is allotted to your opponent. This kind of format suits Muslims who prefer histrionics and claptraps to substance. A gathering with 10,000 audience may satisfy the narcissistic craving for grandiosity of some individuals but I personally am not on any ego trip and my debates are not intended for my self aggrandizement. All I can say is that over 10,000 people visit my site in just two days. None of them are my "followings". They are independent and freethinkers, not sheep to follow someone else. If really audience is what Dr. Naik wants he can get plenty of the good ones here. But I suspect that is not the kind of audience he likes. He prefers those who do not think and do not understand but applaud him for his showmanship.
Truth.8 posted on 28-9-2014 09:00 PM
whether he debate or not, ali sina has debated many and won..
here we go again:
The Challenge to ...
LOL , that is why I say you are a clueless dimwit.
Your post #179
well, in ali sinai site it clearly he says debuke zaki naik and few others...if you cannot understand this easy writings, i would suggest you get a fairy tales books to read
Now you are saying
whether he debate or not, ali sina has debated many and won..
here we go again:
The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik
If you care to read carefully , Dr Naik requested him for a live debate in public. Ali Sina got scared and insisted on a written debate. This is just crap. So when did Ali Sin debated Dr Zakir Naik? Can you explain such to me.
This is the answer from Ali Sina :
As for face to face debate in front of camera or in public places, I consider it theatrics and have no desire for that. It is time consuming, expensive and what can you say in just two hours? Or, actually one, because half of the time is allotted to your opponent. This kind of format suits Muslims who prefer histrionics and claptraps to substance. A gathering with 10,000 audience may satisfy the narcissistic craving for grandiosity of some individuals but I personally am not on any ego trip and my debates are not intended for my self aggrandizement. All I can say is that over 10,000 people visit my site in just two days.
LOL , he complains of it being expensive but telling the world that he would pay U$50K to people who defeat him. Like I say , this man is a cheapskate looking for cheap publicity. He has lost even before the debate. In a fair debate , half of the time is allocated to the opponent. This is very fair. It then depends whether you have the facts at your fingertips. If you don't like Ali Sina , you would run away like him.
LOL , now he is claiming that 10k people visit his site. Then he shouldn't have a problem to debate in front of 5 or 10 k people. What say you?
You are like Ali Sina. When confronted with difficult question. You run away. For the 5th time :
This goes back to my question. If someone wants to rape your mother or sister would you fight them and accept the chance that you would be killed in the process? Oops , my bad , you are a christian and your man God tells you to turn the other cheek. Most probably you would offer the rapist(s) your wife after he / they , is / are done with your mother and sister. You probably make them a snack as well. Is that what you would do? I guess so .... yes?
Lets see how you answer. If you say no , then you admit Quran9:111 is relevant to you. If you say yes , you better go castrate yourself as you cannot even protect your own family.
LOL , 'truth.8' is running from his own argument. Tsk tsk ......
LOL , what you provided is not a debate but one person taking pot shots at another via you tube. The following is a debate , a live debate between bro Zawadi and Nabeel Qureeshi.
I would say , after this Nabeel would not be talking about the Preservation of the Quran without being embarrassed. Enjoy the debate :
If you don't know , this is what we call a debate. People face each other. Not like your coward hero in Ali Sina.
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 10:08 AM
LOL , that is why I say you are a clueless dimwit.
Your post #179
LOL , he complains of it being expensive but telling the world that he would pay U$50K to people who defeat him. Like I say , this man is a cheapskate looking for cheap publicity. He has lost even before the debate. In a fair debate , half of the time is allocated to the opponent. This is very fair. It then depends whether you have the facts at your fingertips. If you don't like Ali Sina , you would run away like him.
LOL , now he is claiming that 10k people visit his site. Then he shouldn't have a problem to debate in front of 5 or 10 k people. What say you?
if zakir naik is so brave enough face like men and debate online with ali sina.....why want to put a greate show in stage which i consider big show off...such act comes muslims...to put a great show off...
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 10:13 AM
LOL , what you provided is not a debate but one person taking pot shots at another via you tube. T ...
how can the quran is well preserved when too many sects sunni ,shia , Distorted hadiths which rejected by certain sects and also some totally rejected it ? and not forgetting Uthman burned many quran ...so how can the present quran you holding is truth ?
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 12:38 PM
if zakir naik is so brave enough face like men and debate online with ali sina.....why want to put a greate show in stage which i consider big show off...such act comes muslims...to put a great show off...
but than again zakir naik chicken out
LOL , debate online is brave compared to a live debate? Like I stated , you are a clueless dimwit. Why is Ali Sina so scared to face Dr Naik in a live face to face debate? When you are onstage , it then boils down to whether you have the facts or not. If you are incapable to do it , it means that you are scared for a face to face live debate because you don't have the facts. Malulah sikit ....
If I am not misteken , bro Gunblade requested to meet up with you to debate you face to face. LOL , like Ali Sina , you chickened out. Ha ha , in the end the brave ones are the muslims.
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 12:41 PM
how can the quran is well preserved when too many sects sunni ,shia , Distorted hadiths which rejected by certain sects and also some totally rejected it ? and not forgetting Uthman burned many quran ...so how can the present quran you holding is truth ?
me waiting
Sunni or Shia , they follow the same Quran. What is the issue? What has sects got to do with the preservation of the Quran?
Of course there are fake hadiths. Thet is why we muslims have the system of Isnad and Mantn to confirm the authenticity of the hadith. What system do you have to confirm the authenticity of the bible. Let me give you an example : 1joh5:7 King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 01:05 PM
Sunni or Shia , they follow the same Quran. What is the issue? What has sects got to do with the p ...
Responses to Zakir NaikIslamic Research FoundationDr. Zakir Naik, is the President of the Islamic Research Foundation, and has spoken extensively on the topics of Islam and Comparative Religion. He was born on October 18, 1965 in Mumbia (Bombay) India. He holds a Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (M.B.B.S.) from the University of Mumbai. Dr. Naik has an ability to quote extensive passages of the Qur'an, as well as other books, from memory. Since Dr. Naik is a relatively new entrant to the debate, this section will grow over time.
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 12:58 PM
LOL , debate online is brave compared to a live debate? Like I stated , you are a clueless dimwit. ...
7 years open invitation to Zakir Naik went unchallenged. Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace
I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate. If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute.
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 01:05 PM
Sunni or Shia , they follow the same Quran. What is the issue? What has sects got to do with the p ...
Sunni or Shia , they follow the same Quran. What is the issue? What has sects got to do with the preservation of the Quran?
what the issue? they killing each other every now a than.....we chrisitans never does that maybe long time ago which is history...but muslims are doing it every now a than...that is fact ...
so, how can be the quran be preserved when both sect killing each other???
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 04:18 PM Responses to Zakir NaikIslamic Research FoundationDr. Zakir Naik, is the President of the Islamic Research Foundation, and has spoken extensively on the topics of Islam and Comparative Religion. He was born on October 18, 1965 in Mumbia (Bombay) India. He holds a Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (M.B.B.S.) from the University of Mumbai. Dr. Naik has an ability to quote extensive passages of the Qur'an, as well as other books, from memory. Since Dr. Naik is a relatively new entrant to the debate, this section will grow over time.
LOL , its no more reference to Ali Sina but now you have jumped to 'answering Islam'. You are like meenachi sepiroth , when refuted , both of you will jump to another topic hoping to run away from the said argument. Why is this so?
The point here is that you claimed that Ali Sina debated Dr Naik and refuted him per your post #179 but then admitted that Ali Sina challenged Dr Nail for an online debate per your post#183. You are going around in circles. Ali Sina admitted that he declined for a live face to face debate. Therefore he is the coward. Why ask for an online debate whereas one can have a face to face live debate?
This is like you , scared to meet bro Gunblade for a face to face debate challenge. Malu wooooit!
The following are short answers to the points by answering Islam as appealed by you:
(1) The Trinity
Three Persons in One God. How in the world can anyone explain that? The answer is that we in this world cannot. It is a mystery beyond our comprehension. How can there be three separate persons- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost - but yet still all be the same God? This is truly a question that we take on faith as Catholics, because our limited human brains simply cannot understand it.
Dr Naik is correct. How can there be 1 God but 3 persons? In the end , the only way out for you is to admit it is a mystery and taken on being faith.
(2) I will just name 1 bible contradiction. The bible (gen 1) says that everything was created in 6 days. Science have already proven this to be wrong. In verses 11-16 teh biblical God created vegetation first then the light or as we know sun. This is a problem for you. If you say day is not 24 hrs but years and years , the vegetation would die before the sun was created. We have debated this before ..... you ran away
(3) The challenge in mark 16 is very clear :
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
Since you are a believer , why don't you pick up say a cobra or you drink weed killer or heal a cancer patient by just touching him? Can you do it since you are a christian? LOL , sampai mati tak boleh buat.
(4) To refute the concept of God , have a read the exchange between your hero in Sam Shamoun and a unitarian Dr. David Kemball Cook. It is a very interesting exchange and I urge you / readers to read it and witness how thorough David arguments are. In the end Shamoun ran away.
(5) LOL , you are still rehashing the already refuted argument about light from the sun? I thought this has been debated and in the end you ran away ..... as usual. Quran71:16 (sahih international) :
And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp?
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
What happens if you don't divorce and marry another? Ok according to bible. There is no limit (ie. unlimited polygny)
All these have been brought up by you before. It has been answered but you still rehash already refuted arguments. You will now run and not address any of the arguments but rehash it some time later in future.
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 04:20 PM
7 years open invitation to Zakir Naik went unchallenged. Dear Dr. Zakir Naik , My name is Ali Sina. I am one of the initiators of Faith Freedom International, a movement of ex-Muslims that is dedicated to promote the truth about Islam. We believe that without addressing the problem of Islam mankind will never experience peace
I received several emails from Muslims daring me to debate with you. To all of them I said I am ready and asked them to invite you to have a debate with me in a public forum in writing. I am publishing these emails so Muslims may know I am not avoiding the debate. If you accept this invitation, I would like you to give me one solid argument in support of Islam as a true religion of God that I can't refute.
LOL , Ali Sina can wait for another 100 years. Online debate would not happen. The point is that Dr Naik has replied that they are only interested in a live face to face debate. Why keep on whining about online debates? This shows that Ali Sina is just another cheapskate looking for cheap publicity.
This is like you. When bro Gunblade asked for a face to face debate , your 'balls' shrunk and you ran away. LOL .....
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 04:26 PM
what the issue? they killing each other every now a than.....we chrisitans never does that maybe long time ago which is history...but muslims are doing it every now a than...that is fact ...
so, how can be the quran be preserved when both sect killing each other???
LOL , like I stated you are a clueless dimwit. The so called Sunni Shia killings only surfaced recently after the invasion of Iraq by the US forces. You are incapable to at least look for reasons behind it. Never mind , I will help you out. By Fanar Haddad, a research fellow at the National University of Singapore's Middle East Institute :
Fanar Haddad: You're right not to buy the ancient hatreds line. The roots of sectarian conflict aren't that deep in Iraq. In early medieval Baghdad, there were sectarian clashes, but that is extremely different from what you have in the age of the nation state.
Come 2003, the main opposition forces against Saddam Hussein were ethno-sectarian parties. That's a really important point. Yes, we can blame — and we should blame — occupation forces and the promises that they pursued, particularly enshrining identity politics as the key marker of Iraqi politics. But that was something that these ethno-sectarian parties, the ones who were the main opposition force, advocated before 2003. This, to them, was the answer.
From a Sunni Arab perspective, the Shia parties and personalities that came to power weren't just politicians who happened to be Shia. They were politicians whose political outlook was firmly rooted in a Shia-centric, sect-centric view of things. I would say there were a number of prejudices, Sunni suspicions of the new regime. These were unfortunately validated by the nature of the new political elite, and their subsequent decisions and policies.
In the end its about tribal or identity politics.
What has the preservation of the Quran got to do with all these? You are a clueless dimwit after all ......
sam1528 posted on 29-9-2014 05:58 PM
LOL , Ali Sina can wait for another 100 years. Online debate would not happen. The point is that D ...
debating online it gives ample of times and can wallope zakir naik that why he afraid ...zakir prefer granduer show off ....
so, if he think islam is right...let debate via online..
but i doubth
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 07:56 PM
debating online it gives ample of times and can wallope zakir naik that why he afraid ...zakir prefer granduer show off ....
so, if he think islam is right...let debate via online..
but i doubth
LOL , you are a clueless dimwit after all. Dr Naik has responded that he would only engage in a live face to face debate. The question here is that why is Ali Sina so scared? Ali Sina is even too scared to debate via paltalk. Why is this so? Issit because he does not have the facts on hand? Then do not challenge others for a debate.
Why are you still pushing for online debate? Online debate is for amateurs like us. Even that you are scared to meet face to face with bro Gunblade. Ok then , why not meet up with me? We can have a face to face debate. Then we will take a photo and upload it here for all to see. Else we can invite people like bro Gunblade or bro Mashimaru or meenachi Sepiroth or anyone else to witness our face to face debate. How about it?
Ha ha , Ali Sina seems to be your hero despite him being a coward and a cheapskate. I really have pity on your mentality.
Truth.8 posted on 29-9-2014 07:59 PM
and where is the so called brotherhood if you claimed they believers of quran??
LOL , now your argument about preservation of Quran has disappeared. Do you know what is the definition of preservation?
Believe in the Quran and following its injunctions are 2 different things. That doesn't mean the Quran is wrong. I dunno , you seem to misunderstand the most basic of a word. You are just stumbling left and right and making a mockery of yourself.
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