M-MRCA utk TUDM

mmc

why dry lease? is the support network for A/B the same as E/F that we invest rather than lease too?

supergripen

The Gripen NG is still years away from production,and I don't think we want to buy the 'old' Gripen do we? That is why I suggested an initial squadron of ex-Svenska Flygvapnet Gripens for us to dry lease.That way,we can have the jets fairly quickly to fill in the gap between the Mig's retirement and the eventual induction of our own brand new Gripen E/Fs.
While this is happening,we can also join up in the development of the new E/F version so that we can add our requirements into the programme.This way,by the time it is ready,we'll have ironed out any problems that might arise..avoiding MKM-esque post delivery problems.
Also,we also stand to gain knowledge from advanced avionics development(AESA tech,info/net-centric sensor fusion tech,advanced missile tech(Meteor n IRIS-T),UCAV tech etc.
This is the future of airpower and we shud get on the train,not left behind.

escortburuk

That is why the Gripen is the best choice so far for TUDM

mmc

wouldn't wet lease be better, at least we don't get stuck with old inventory once we upgrade..pelot tak included lah

tin

better wait for NG version which will be ready the latest by 2014.

this way we can not only integrate our requirement but also we can negotiate for a far better price, payment ToT and perhaps, manufacturing contracts

tin

yup me agree. we will sewa basah all the way

supergripen

I wonder if y'all understand wet/dry lease as I do.. I was involved when we wet leased our B737s to Cambodia in the 90s.I flew(and many other Malaysians)for Royal Air Cambodge under the wet lease agreement.In fact,we had quite a scare when the Khmer Rouge started getting rowdy shooting at aircrafts on approach into Siem Reap.

If u dry lease,u get the planes but not the pilots..correct me if I'm wrong.In a wet lease,everything is provided including the pilots,maintanence etc.My argument for a dry lease(where we only get the planes etc) is that so that our pilots do the flying,our maint'crew does the maintaining and so on as a lead in to getting our own E/Fs.Tak kan la nak kasi diorang maintain the planes for us? Bila lagi nak belajar bebudak groundcrew etc? Same goes for other aspects of operations as well.

Again,we lease ex-SwedeAF Gripens for OUR pilots to fly,and when the E/F version becomes available,we send back the leased 'old' ones and start taking delivery of our own brand new E/Fs.That should be the deal and what I meant in my earlier posts.I wrote in length in the previous post,I hope it is easy to understand..thnx

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mmc

know it very well bro..involved in some deals with MH ...anyway I believe wet lease will still invlove local ground crew in support and we can tweak the agreement to transfer the tech know how to the ground crew itself..the problem is that for the stores and inventories if purchased will as you have to under a dry lease will leave you holding the bag when the birds are returned, so its better if they come under consignment under a wet lease deal...

i guess for the airforce a hybrid wet/dry lease would be the best, ie planes + consignment stores/inventory + maintenance support with local TOT..GOM should be able to work out sumtin out of ordinary aviation practice if they want to pursue this..

a 734 pelot in cambodge eh...what about myanmar?

windof

pasai apa pulok nak amik US punya? bikin sundiri punya la...

supergripen

I guess a hybrid thingy would be the best for our requirement,Aiman tak kisah janji Gripen terpilih huhu!

Didn't go to Myanmar as I was flying the B747 during that period.

mmc

wah from wide to narrow ka...flying the NG now?

windof

bernas is my other name...  aviation world is a con world... this i learned when i first join the flyingschool... i guess i learned the con sultan tricks while in the trade all this while...

supergripen

Narrow to wide to narrow now.Shud've gone wide almost 2 years ago but was offered an instructors post so decided to stay back and ajar anak bangsa mcmana nak fly jet.. and make more money than the guys on the upper fleets huhu

mmc

woright bro..wa respect sama lu

supergripen

Gwe pun actually selalu visit loe punye blog tu.. peminat.

Anyways,lets wait and see what happens in the next few weeks and months,but I suspect whatever decision will be made at LIMA kot.

mmc

gua ada blog ke..jangan silap blog pulak macam ada 'orang pandai' tu

HangPC2

Beli SAAB Keter atau Military punya ?

supergripen

Itu yg gwe confused skit tu.. two different entities wo.

Kalau stakat Saab Cars tu rasanya tak payah kot.Kira dah ada Lotus which is good enuff altho gwe rasa Proton tak brapa pandai nak exploit.

Laxamana.

'Hanya Johari mengenal Maniam'....... We take it from the knowledgeable one like you.. Apasal tak cakap siang-siang... Gripen di South East Asia ada service center?

Laxamana.

Originally posted by yaminz at 4/6/09 02:14 PM
Kalo Saab smart, diorg bundlekan Gripen ngan Erieye musti mantap deal nei...

Maksud ngko beli radar Erieye (Saab Microwave Systems yang dulu nya Ericsson Microwave Systems)? Then pasang pada Saab 340 atau mana-mana platform? ... memang mantap. Patut sangat dah...


Saab 340 AEW&C Erieye... Sesuai je ngan Saab... latest, tak payah pasang pada Brasilian Embrear atu yang lain.

Comel je... sesuai dengan saiz Malaysia. Beli jangan tak beli.... tengah stim mesti mau projek. Jangan jadi macam DCarradine... Ishh tak faham aku... Kesian betul...

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