Why we do, what we do...

Agul

Not necessarily ascetic, imho... Maybe or maybe not..

We realize why we want anything. Then it become a knowledege. We are now free to get it or to get something else that brings the feeling that we want.

Kinda how most religion teaches that this world is temporary, a short passage but even religious people still go for the material thing...

I think.

mbhcsf

because the brain is telling you to / or the cognition part is ordering/commanding  the how to deal/solve the .."what" and the perception, reasoning will dictate the rationale and the consequences, thus giving you the Reason - why we do the what.

Agul

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 17-12-2007 12:00 PM
because the brain is telling you to / or the cognition part is ordering/commanding牋the how to deal/solve the .."what" and the perception, reasoning will dictate the rationale and the consequence ...

Why would different people do different thing, for the爏ame reason. Or maybe they do the same thing for different reason...

Difference in brain structure?

anyway, da, looong time no see...

Navarrus

we are destined to do what we do...

mbhcsf

laa....that's the beauty as you know there is  always more than one way to do or achieve things. Ini based on their affect/ emotional and personality traits. You'll learn about this when you doing counsellings or involved in the field of clinical psychologist . In this discipline , you 'll see how the personality, the way of thinking will somehow affect a person "coping" mechanism. Good question.

Busy ler Agul, tapi dah ader wireless dalam bilik i ni so boleh jugak merayau kat sini.

Agul

A quick question. From what you learn about psychology,what about  core traits or fundamental disposition that we're born with? Do psychological scholars agree that it's kind of fixed? Or the traits are malleable to a certain degree?

I thought you were doing master now. Right?

mbhcsf

We all have the genetics make up - hence the trait however, the environment does play the role too. Nature and nurture thingy lah ni.The first 5 years of a child's life is the most crucial period in terms of personality building. another thing is that - the issue of personality it's quite a tricky business you know,they will argue on the exact definition but to cut short it is basically a person way of perceiving, interpreting, attitude, thinking, action, behaviour etc etcthat are subjectively perceived to be stable over time.So fundamental trait - i think we human are capable of learning and adapting to their ambiance.The way they acquire knowlegde is largely depending on the learning pattern and the thinking patterns- analytical, etc etc.I hope ur question answered. On whether the traits are malleable to a certain degree... depends really.It's back on this nature vs nurture thing.it's our deeply ingrained in us its subconscious lah personality ni. You pun tak akan sedar your thinking pattern unless if someone could make u aware about it.   Factors that you would consider though, may be in terms of a person's thinking pattern - dictates how they will act in the face of adversity either by confronting or just shying away...and etc etc lah.But Agul, I am no scholar in the field lah. Ni open questin to those psychology major...or saper yg ambil paedagogi pun boleh jugak...

Bila dapat lecture in counselling, yg menariknya, u know that person ( counsellor) dah boleh analyse kita macam mana at least lah, the way dia observe kita punya behaviour in lectures ni yg menarik.

tapi question you tu i nak tahu jugak jawapannya. Sapa nak jawab?


Agul, i am jack of all trade lah , master of none ..how's that ? kena jadi humble pielah dear..

Agul

Kalau berdasarkan pemerhatian yang tak saintifik macam inborn...

Tapi kesan persekitaran 'upbringing' dan indoktrinasi pun banyak jugak...

Sukar nak bezakan...

Mansairaku

Why we do, what we do ...

01.  coz we think it is the best decision for us ..
02.  coz we want to ..
03.  to abide rules ..
04.  to fulfill certain expectations ..
05.  to spite people ..
06.  coz we're curious to know what will happen if we do ..
07.  coz of jealousy/envy/anger, normally we wont do ..
08.  to rebel against someone/something ..
09.  coz we have nothing better to do ..
10.  to get/chase after something, even if we dont like what we do ..
11.  coz we think there is no other option, ie. give up ..
12.  coz we fear we'd be alienated/ridiculed if we do/dont do ..
13.  to feel good about ourselves ..
14.  to prove a point ..
15.  coz we feel it's our responsibility ..
  

erm ...what else? ..

Mansairaku

Originally posted by Mansairaku at 19-12-2007 10:33 PM
Why we do, what we do ...

14.  to prove a point ..

teringat dgn film " Life of David Gale" (starring Kevin Spacey) ..

a story ttg anti-death-penalty activist yg ironically being put on a death row, but it was actually all staged by him and his accomplices to prove a point  that death penalty should be abolished .....


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Agul

Originally posted by Mansairaku at 19-12-2007 10:33 PM
Why we do, what we do ...

01.牋coz we think it is the best decision for us ..
02.牋coz we want to ..
03.牋to abide rules ..
04.牋to fulfill certain expectations ..
05.牋to spite people .. ...

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hamizao

Wah, memang Mansairaku rajin buat listing after listing ...........

I believe we are all born with a template in the subconscious mind. Some experts say it is the soul..........I prefer to stick to the former for this purpose. How else could a baby cry when in pain or discomfort and laugh when happy. I also believe that outside nature and nurture can and do affect our actions via our conscious mind. Learning from it would find it's way to the subconscious mind as well to enable us to react accordingly to situations and circumstances.

Mansairaku

just my preferences maybe ...
lists & point forms suit me ...

[ Last edited by  Mansairaku at 28-12-2007 10:30 PM ]

hamizao

From the teaching of Lester Levenson, of which comes Larry Crane "Releasing Technique" and
Hale Dowskin "The Sedona Method", Desire comes from 3 wants.

01. wanting approval
02. wanting control
03. wanting to be safe/wanting security

I do agree the above are the main reasons for our actions but perhaps not necessarily all though.........

From experience I would say we are always wanting validation from others just to be sure we are doing the "right" thing. No two persons think alike and there is possibility of lack of knowledge in the decision making process. Generally, approval is seeked from elders and more senior people especially in areas that may affect others. To some it is just good manners and acknowledgement for the other. Very few would seek the approval of those in the other end of the spectrum, right?

Control and security are definitely human basic needs. For example, since Adam delved and eve spun human had been wanting to control nature from whence sustenance is begotten. They need to control other people too............some for personal purpose, some for the benefit of the community. Security is for the assurance that our means for continued living is not undermined.

However, there are those who do things just to pass the time.....While many would try to utilise time to acquire new knowledge, there are those who don't seem interested in utilising their time in a beneficial way. Sometime I just wonder whether it is due to an error in the human template??

Agul

Originally posted by hamizao at 22-12-2007 07:47 PM



I do agree the above are the main reasons for our actions but perhaps not necessarily all though.........

From experience I would say we are always wanting validation from others just to ...

First of all, my knowledge on this would be akin to groping in the dark since I obviously still don't have that book. So take it from what little I understand perspective...

Lester originally broke the origin all desire including want and don't want

Agul

Ok, give me some kind of desire to work on. Let me see if there's wanting approval/control.security in it.

I'll try to cook something up.

hamizao

Unless you take doing nothing, aspire for nothing as still a desire............

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Agul

The mother of all desire is the desire to have no desire...

hamizao

Heheheh...cantik tul!!!

Agul

It's from that book.

I think.