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~MERGED~ Alexander The Great & Iskandar Zulkarnain
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salam,
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yes.... refer to Al - Quran, chapter18 : verses 94 -101 THE CAVE : Al -kAhfi segala -gala tentang mereka ade... |
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bukan alexander n iskandar zulkarnain nih org yg sama ker??? setahu aku diorang nih org yg sama.... |
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Andrea_Pirlo This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by Paja at 2003-7-15 06:31 PM:
The same is the case with Alexander. In the sura 'The Cave' the Koran reads: "They will ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: I will give you an account of him." Thus, the Koran treats Alexander the Great in the same way as it treats Noah, Jesus, King Solomon and others.
zulq. hampir ke taraf nabi, erk?...adakah dia antara nabi yg disebut dlm qur'an? |
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salam,
Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 2003-7-17 12:33:
zulq. hampir ke taraf nabi, erk?...adakah dia antara nabi yg disebut dlm qur'an?
Ini kena refer maksud definisi Nabi
RAsul
sbb Nabi could just be anybody ( lelaki) yg Allah turunkan wahyu kpdnya dan tidak wajib dia menyampaikan
whereas Rasul wajib menyampaikan so..entahlah tiada NAbi Lagi selepas Prophet MUHD PBUH wafat that means ..we ARE REFERRING TO THE YEAR 632 AC/ mASEHI..?? HIJRAH???....pROPHET muhd pbuh LAHIT IN THE YEAR 0F 532M
[ Last edited by mbhcsf on 17-7-2003 at 01:19 PM ] |
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Andrea_Pirlo This user has been deleted
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Ini kena refer maksud definisi Nabi
RAsul
sbb Nabi could just be anybody ( lelaki) yg Allah turunkan wahyu kpdnya dan tidak wajib dia menyampaikan
whereas Rasul wajib menyampaikan so..entahlah tiada NAbi Lagi selepas Prophet MUHD PBUH wafat that means ..we ARE REFERRING TO THE YEAR 632 AC/ mASEHI..?? HIJRAH???....pROPHET muhd pbuh LAHIT IN THE YEAR 0F 532M
eh, takde, arr..maksud saya...yg rasul must be 25 msengers..
tapi nabi ada 1200 beh kurang....(tak silap, aa..)...tak semua nabi ada mentioned dlm quran...ada sebahagian cm nabi khidir, daniel..ada disebut..
nabi muhammad s.a.w. mmg nabi dan Rasul terakhir, dan nabi2 yg ramai tue
hidup sebelum zamannya...ok, kan? that's mean saya maksudkan Zulq. mungkin salah seorang nabi atau hampir mencapai taraf Nabi yg disebut dlm al-quran.. |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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uish.. Jgn sebarang anggap tu hampir taraf nabi. Kita anggap saja iskandar ini taraf para wali. Tiada bukti mengatakan Iskandar ini seorg yg mencapai taraf Nabi seperti Nabi Sulaiman dan Nabi Daud (seorg Raja ). Tapi Kops percaya Iskandar ini memang seorg yg Mulia seperti hamba Allah yg bernama Imran.Sebab nama mereka sentiasa dimuliakan oleh Allah dalam Quran. |
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roti_canai This user has been deleted
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Islam wasn't even founded yet during Alexander's time. How could he be muslim? |
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Andrea_Pirlo This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by The Kops at 2003-7-17 04:01 PM:
uish.. Jgn sebarang anggap tu hampir taraf nabi. Kita anggap saja iskandar ini taraf para wali. Tiada bukti mengatakan Iskandar ini seorg yg mencapai taraf Nabi seperti Nabi Sulaiman dan Nabi Daud ...
kita tulis berdasarkan quote tu,...kiter pon tak pasti, sbb itu kiter tny.. |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by roti_canai at 2003-7-17 09:12 PM:
Islam wasn't even founded yet during Alexander's time. How could he be muslim?
Alexender in not muslim but Iskandar Zulkarnain is a Muslim.Dont be confused.Term of muslim is not start from Prophet Muhammad but its started from Prophet Adam .Its a term for person who belived in Allah and not for person who disbelived Him.
If you want to know more about muslim just ask at Muslim and Muslimat Forum for more details
:cool::cool:
[ Last edited by The Kops on 18-7-2003 at 03:29 PM ] |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 2003-7-17 10:44 PM:
kita tulis berdasarkan quote tu,...kiter pon tak pasti, sbb itu kiter tny..
hehe tak salah tanya.
Btw, selain Iskandar Zulkarnain, umat Nabi Muhammad pun ada perwira sendiri seperti Khalid Al Walid, Sallahudin al Ayubby,Sydina Umar ,Sydina HAmzah dsbnya |
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o okay
Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 2003-7-17 13:36:
eh, takde, arr..maksud saya...yg rasul must be 25 msengers..
tapi nabi ada 1200 beh kurang....(tak silap, aa..)...tak semua nabi ada mentioned dlm quran...ada sebahagian cm nabi khidir, daniel..a ...
i am with you now...may be ..wallahuallam..tapi kan ..kalu di atahu dia nabi..kalau dia sebarkan agama samawi adakah salah??sbb nabi tidak diwajibkan menyampaikan ajaran cuma rasul kan???any comment from you, Andrea.. |
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salam KOPPS
Originally posted by The Kops at 2003-7-18 11:18:
Alexender in not muslim but Iskandar Zulkarnain is a Muslim.Dont be confused.Term of muslim is not start from Prophet Muhammad but its started from Prophet Adam .Its a term for person who belived i ...
agreed...benarkah actually kaabah pun dibina foundasi n a/ foundatn nyer sejak turunnya Prophet ADAm AS??sbb memang benaq name agama samawi / langit tu tak lah name ISLAm tapi bertauhidkan ALLAh the Supreme CReator... |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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Cuma satu je yg pelik. Macam mana Tun Sri Lanang yg tulis pasal Hikayat Melayu mengatakan Melayu berasal dari keturunan Iskandar Zulkarnain?
Malah byk mitos di Asia dikaitkan dgn Iskandar Zulkarnain.Pelikkan?Kisah Nabi Sulaiman byk dikaitkan dgn Benua Africa selain bumi Arab.Tapi Iskandar byk dikaitkan dgn bumi India dan south east asia region |
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Keturunan Nabi Adam kan berpecah kepada 7 pelusuk dunia?
Dzulkarnain bukan Nabi... dia cuma insan istimewa cam Luqman al-Hakim..
Dulu, aku pun rasa Alex ngan Dzulkarnain org yg sama... tp lepas tgk Jejak Rasul hari tu, aku tak nak menyamakan dia org... sbb Sejarah Alex berdasarkan minda org barat... |
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Errr...
Originally posted by Ace-Frehley at 14-7-2003 14:06:
Sesiapa yang tahu tentang ALEXANDER THE GREAT a.k.a ISKANDAR ZULKARNAIN ni ... citer ler sket kat sini. Kononnya beliau ni adalah Muslim ... tapi dah banyak fakta tentang beliau yang diubah ...
Sebab ko sebut Iron Maiden... Aku kasi naik semula topik ni...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Heh! Heh! Heh! |
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aku rasa sebab dier byk dikaitkan ngan india sebab penaklukan dier kat sana.... mostly area southern...kalau tak silap dier tak sempat nak tawan area ganges river... itu kalau tak silap lar..kalau silap sowie....
n aku rasa mungkin jugak iskandar zulkarnain n alexander nih org yg sama. bcoz, sebelum dier masuk kat area mid east ( iran/iraq ) dier mayb kapir..but as soon dier ke sana...mungkin dier memeluk islam...we never know..since starting from there dressing yg ala2 skirt tuh dah berubah menjadik lebih sopan...n dier pun berkahwin ngan org mid east jugak...... |
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Originally posted by AceHand at 24-7-2003 02:09 AM:
Sebab ko sebut Iron Maiden... Aku kasi naik semula topik ni...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Heh! Heh! Heh!
hehhe..patutler ace frehley suruh paste kan lagu alexander the great tu kat thread iron maiden..rupanya nak bukak topic pasal alexander the great kat sinih..hehehe |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by sinbad^boy at 2003-7-24 12:03 PM:
aku rasa sebab dier byk dikaitkan ngan india sebab penaklukan dier kat sana.... mostly area southern...kalau tak silap dier tak sempat nak tawan area ganges river... itu kalau tak silap lar..kalau ...
maybe gak tapi kena ingat sebelum mati Alexender pernah bina status plus punca kematian dipercayai mati dlm keadan mabuk semasa perang
Alex dan Iskandar adalah dua manusia berbezaakidah, pegangang dan tatacara hidup. |
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but from wut i leart he was killed dengan di racun...but mmg lar masa tuh dier mabuk sakan....
here ada link...
http://wso.williams.edu |
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The Kops This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by sinbad^boy at 2003-7-24 10:49 PM:
but from wut i leart he was killed dengan di racun...but mmg lar masa tuh dier mabuk sakan....
here ada link...
http://wso.williams.edu
Memang ada yg cakap dia di racun,tapi dari yg Kops dgr dia mati masa berperang. entah la yg pasti masa mati, dia dalam keadan mabuk |
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Post time 15-7-2003 08:45 PM
Post time 24-7-2003 02:09 AM
