Truth Will Set You Free

ajinomotonosuga

Truth is reality

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by Agul at 28-7-2007 05:50 PM
I don't understand.

You mean i'm not loved or what?

If everyone cared, nobody cried,

if everyone loved, no body lied

hamizao

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 4-8-2007 10:24 AM


If everyone cared, nobody cried,

if everyone loved, no body lied

True.................but there are men of all sorts and inclinations.

I recall Agul's post somewhere  saying that love is THE truth and he had referred me to the P.U.L. thread. Thanks Agul...I honestly thought it had something to do with kacang pul or something....eh! Then I also recall a thread where we discuss true love. I thought all this is centred around a common theme........LOVE. Perhaps mod may consider to merge them.

Further, I'd like to suggest that in love there is the giver and taker. So therefore need to have two parties . Kalau sorang .....tu syok sendiri lah! My hubby has a term for those who have too much of the latter!!

True love  does not require conditions nor guidelines etc in order to persist. The giver just know and does the right thing such that it comes naturally and willingly. There is no compulsion. However, to reach such a state or level I figure there are 2 ways. One it may be a intuitive response like when you meet your match (in the context I have used earlier), you just feel or want to make him/her happy, take care of him/her, be your soulmate etc...etc...The other way is through  understanding the norms for the society ..............this is where moral codes come in to guide man in his daily conduct. It is not like the receiver of true love setting these rules and conditions. Why then God of Moses, say, came to give him the commandments. They are  to guide the non-enlightened. The enlightened no longer need them to put themselves under check. They just KNOW and do the right thing. The KNOWING in itself is KNOWLEDGE (TRUTH) and that there is no longer any ropes required to tie you in.

Am I making sense?

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 4-8-2007 04:13 PM ]

Agul

Probably need to read your post a few time for it to make sense...

Pure Unonditional Love is probably something else... It's not love in classical sense. It's love, but...

For lack of better words... hard to create a new word of this concept.

I think of merging it but it is a bit different actually. However P.U.L. does overlap with classic love.

I'll probably write more in the appropriate thread.

hamizao

Originally posted by ajinomotonosuga at 4-8-2007 08:21 AM
Truth is reality

I like your take on this. Something that is true is therefore real. Notions do not solve.

auntie_girl

Truth is the secret of eloquence and of virtue, the basis of moral authority; it is the highest summit of art and of life.

hamizao

Wish to have another take on this issue.

How does truth make you free?

Lets take an example of someone has hurt you..........either he has snubbed you, or been disloyal or has betrayed you ...blah, blah. Now, there may be many reasons why they hurt you......sometimes they don't mean to.....they just couldn't help it. But people do feel hurt....sometimes just superficially which may be quelled by some sense of humour. Sometimes they hurt deep.

So, actually, you need to see the truth about those who have hurt or wronged  you.......The TRUTH is they are weak, needy and fallible human beings BEFORE and AFTER they  hurt you. When you see this truth you would realise the need to free them from the wrongs they have done.....let them go....release them from your memory. Hence, you shall release yourself from the enslavement of your past and the likelihood of having hate as your future.

I understand that when this is reached the phase of forgiving shall begin. In a nutshell, I would  also like to explained my perception of  what forgiving is .........an honest release within the forgiver's heart.

Mansairaku

while it is not impossible to forgive,
what are the probabilities that things will patch up exactly like they were before?

hamizao

While there are opinions that say that total forgiveness may only be possible if the two parties meet, I am somehow of the opinion that with time a complete and honest release is possible  even if they don't meet................It is my own experience too. Need to look at the issue on hand  objectively and hence you may even command greater respect from the other.

Whether things would be as before after the patch up depends on your intention really. I do not think it is important. You are afterall giving the guy another chance and this time round you shall be smarter. If you are seen to be giving him a fair chance, that is as much he can expect from you. Once the trust is fully restored then perhaps things may be said as having come to normality. To me it is the process that matters as it is usually the most difficult.

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 7-11-2007 10:37 PM ]

Agul

You can forgive. You can release. Anytime. As fast as you can. And you will benefit most. Not the other guy/gals.

And if you seek forgiveness from others, eventhogh they forgive you or not. Just bless them. And don't forget to forgive yourself.

Release, release.

hamizao

Up to a few days ago I was still having problem with what forgiving really means till I found this little book at MPH about forgiving and forgetting. Nope..... I didn't purchase it.......I thought the price  was rather steep but I spent enough time to skim through applicable chapters! I am rather fascinated by the subject as there is simply a lot of hurting going on in our lives.

Sure, the subject focuses on those who have been wronged and hurt, the forgiver rather than  the forgiven. For the forgiven.....what then? Does it matter if he knows that he has been forgiven? In the first place, does he know what he has caused?

I think it depends on his intentions really. It is possible that he may not even realise that he has caused so much hurt....or, yes, he does intend to pass on that bitter pill for some reason. For the latter, I do think he would not be bothered to ask for forgiveness..............

Mansairaku

but ain't it funny that forgiveness is easier to give when you've put everything down and walk away? (coz u gave up) ..compared to becoming twice, thrice more difficult should you choose to stay? (coz u're still trying)

speaking of the intention to keep "staying"-together, would you agree that sometimes the end justify the means? (not by blatantly lying of course), but even if u're married to the person .. your spouse is not you, and never will be you, and not necessarily they become your best friends who'd understand everything, thus .. it would probably be inconsiderate to impose all your truths on them? (not telling them is also a way to protect them?)  besides, what they do not know can never hurt them, no? asalkan mmg tutup rapat, kedap udara, takkan bocor sampai bila2? ....

mansairaku:
... i have a feeling that this is going to be in-a-loop, so I'll just agree to disagree with Hami on this matter ..

hang19

Originally posted by Agul at 7-11-2007 10:28 PM
You can forgive. You can release. Anytime. As fast as you can. And you will benefit most. Not the other guy/gals.

And if you seek forgiveness from others, eventhogh they forgive you or not. Ju ...

it is so true indeed. forgiveness is truly a powerful force..

揥hen you hold resentment toward another, you are bound to that person or condition by an emotional link that is stronger than steel. Forgiveness is the only way to dissolve that link and get free.

cokkodok

the truth...eventhough it hurts, but by the end of the day, it could become a life saver.

tapi...if to say it will totally will set us free, tak jugak. Kekadang bila dah dapat tahu kebenaran, we sometimes become over-concious, over-worry dan hidup pun mula la dipenuhi prasangka kalau tak reti nak handle.

dutchy

setuju...kdg2 biler kiter dh taw akan kebenaran itu...kiter
muler menjadi sangsi akan aper itu kebenaran

in that sense how free are you...after discovering the truth? does it really
sets u free...or it just brings you to another path of self discoveries?

hamizao

I suppose that would happen when you are not looking at the REAL TRUTH. I believe the truth is not what he/she had done (you cannot change that) but rather why he/she had done it. Then you shall have the true understanding of why the thing happened. So , you start off with "what" then "why"........my why is usually things like - she didn't complete school, so how can you expect her to do otherwise? You know .......the likes which reflects the person's lack of knowledge, understanding .....or something. After all people only do what they know! Kan?

hamizao

True, and you'll know that you are on the road of forgiveness when thinking of those who have hurt you, you'd want to wish them well.

Has anyone felt this?

cokkodok

Originally posted by hamizao at 12-11-2007 11:53 PM
I suppose that would happen when you are not looking at the REAL TRUTH. I believe the truth is not what he/she had done (you cannot change that) but rather why he/she had done it. Then you shall  ...

today i come to the sense that you are right (although i hate to say this..hehehe). The real truth finally has set me free today. Things that kept me feeling unsure for the past few months, suddenly terhurai satu-persatu hari nie because of knowing the truth.

aw76

the truth always finds its way to reveal itself sooner or later...often with disastrous results....however telling the truth really lifts the burden of the bearer...no more lies and deceit...although one has to face the consequences whether it be good or bad.

Agul

What most people deem as truth are usually 'half truths' and 'lies' that have been culturally indoctrinated and believed by the majority which may not necessarily be true.

Remember that the world used to be flat until it is reshaped into a sphere by the biggest hammer in the universe.