Measure Of A Man

hamizao

I think you are absolutely right, and beliefs and conditioning do change over time. What is termed as manly today may seem muted by our forefathers. Just as well as many of what our forefathers did are just not done today. Somewhere I learned that if someone slap you on the cheek, you give him the other cheek to slap. However, I know some people would prefer to turn around and "hantam" him back! Got the message? Don't mess with me.

my-alja

gud one....

my-alja

Originally posted by ussopp at 12-12-2007 10:18 PM



hmm....yup...yup...   :victory:  

when I was a little child....I somehow admire people who is genius...who is talented....
who can archieve something without hardwork but using the co ...

me too...i was like u when i was in the university tried very hard to finish my study..yuckk!

Mansairaku

reminds me of the anime Kyou Kara Maou (God Save Our King) ..

a story ttg a school boy being flushed down a toilet into another world, and rupa rupanya he was the long-awaited King of that country.  In the human world, going down on a bended knee dikira a routine when proposing marriage to someone .. but in that mazoku world, a slap on the left cheek meant a proposal for marriage (proposing marriage to the one being slapped) ...


mansairaku:
....wonder dari mana datangnya custom "on bended knee" ni? ....

Mansairaku

...hopefully your wish will come true ...

Mansairaku

meh tolong up-kan this topic ...

" What is your measure? " (multiple choice answers):

01.  Kindness
02.  Compassion
03.  Humility
04.  Intelligence
05.  Resilience
06.  Charisma
07.  Honesty
08.  Loyalty
09.  Trustworthy
10.  Responsible

erm, nanti if ada idea tambah lagi ...

hamizao

Where did my earlier reply go??

I believe I did say...different subculture would have different interpretation of things but surely there has to be some that are universal? Perhaps "bended knees" may be one - a sign of humbleness/humility- though in our case perhaps  "bended back" is more appropriate?? Well at least "bended something" eh!

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 16-12-2007 11:16 AM ]

Agul

I try to repar the thread but can't find the post. Don't know where it gone, missing.

What thing to bend. Bended back would be a bad posture and could hurt the back in the long run...

Agul

[quote]Originally posted by Mansairaku at 15-12-2007 04:57 AM
meh tolong up-kan this topic ...

" What is your measure? " (multiple choice answers):

01.牋Kindness
02.牋Compassion
03.牋Humility
04.牋Intelligence
05.牋Resilience
06.牋Charisma
07.

hamizao

Now look, there are two blocks above after editing #47

Of courselah bended anything would in the long run cause pain. That's what humility is about....Just think of all the situations where you are required to lower yourself in relation to another person. In some countries, your head cannot be higher than the monach's. So if he is sitting down you have to be on the floor! How do you get there if you don't bend something!

Gee, as I am keying this in, I notice the system going toiiiink!

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 16-12-2007 11:31 AM ]

hamizao

All positive qualities are good......but the question is, good for what ? I am a bit of an Aristotlean here. I believe we have a purpose in life and therefor anything we do that fulfills that purpose ....is kinda good. Just like a knife...it's purpose is to cut. So a good knife is good at cutting. Same thing...the purpose of medicine is to give health......... So if we are talking about say, man as opposed to woman, I think we ought to further narrow it down to the purpose of the man: Man the human; and Man the husband/provider/father....................and so on. The reason being, no man is pefect, he may be a good friend but bad father. As a man go through life, his role would change and so would expections of him. Generally, my belief is that one's function in life is to attain earthly happiness via reason and the attainment of virtue. So in whatever role a person may be, he would have to attain the virtue to function as best as possibe in that role.

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 17-12-2007 01:03 AM ]

Agul

I don't know how the block appear. maybe there's some trick to it...

Just a quick question, yor original question is about man in the gender sense or is it about human being in general? Men or women included?

I assume that man refers to both man and woman. Sort of the old way of writing before the political correctness stuff comes about. My comments are based on that understanding.

Nilai manusia vs nilai lelaki.

hamizao

Lets see..............."Is there a  measure of a man (or woman)? " is the original question. So it is gender specific.............which I think makes more sense as we don't necessarily measure men and women by the same ruler, right? :cf:

hamizao

Aiya......where do them boxes appear from???

mbhcsf

God says piety. With this, i think all the good values and conduct will emanate from here. It does reflect you know. One could see these good points/values will deeply ingrained in their thinking, opinions, personalities and far more importantly the moral values of honesty, integrity, principles as well as their attitudes towards certain matters. These will clearly reflect how much a person's worth. I will say that, matters ,concerning iman/faith, intention,motives etc are all for God to Judge, but then again, as someone pointed out to me, self judgment is important too. That's is our monitoring mechanism of how good we are / or vice versa. But to resort to just our feeling and emotion as one parameter of measuring how much a person may worth , my oh my,hmm..could it be deceiving as well. It's pretty subjectives pulak yer.

But then, how about contribution to ummah? The prophet have those, self validating ? of course he is still the champion, his contribution , priceless. Ni stemmed from  ilmu dan amal lah kot.

Is being judgmental relevant , if any? How important? when and what situation would this be beneficial to a person.Just bersangka baik lah kot.

mbhcsf

But first of all I want to clarify that at this moment, I am trying toavoid being judgemental toward others and even myself. This is kindof confusing, and I'm still learning, practising but I will keep on and see what come of it. Maybeuntil something more interesting comes along and it's more fun to playwith that thing.I used to think too much about peoples motives, their action, what they mean, judging them by my own standard,
by others standard, be it societies, parents, peers, etc...

With me is that , i don't questioned much on that sort of things for I  am "too" used of taking things literally - i have this pragmatic problems betul. Just see the best in them. Yeah , sometimes it is very much confusing regarding the matters of "when u would want to stop being judgmental" ? And in which situation it is necesary to being one? hmm.. i think the main solution is to explore the matters that made u one. Understand them, synthesise those, then you would hopefully have the better view and perhaps formulating more ideas/ perspectives on the concerned matter.

Mansairaku

it is "your" measure mod Agul, you can do whatever you want with it, be as selfish, fickle or biased as you wish to be if you wanted to...  Why? because it is yours ...

mansairaku:
...the list cuma some ideas, if your measure is not in the list ..even better!

Mansairaku

tiba tiba teringat dgn another attribute ...

" redha "

Mansairaku

Originally posted by hamizao at 16-12-2007 12:31 PM
All positive qualities are good......but the question is, good for what ? I am a bit of an Aristotlean here. I believe we have a purpose in life and therefor anything we do that fulfills that purpose ....is kinda good. Just like a knife...it's purpose is to cut. So a good knife is good at cutting. Same thing...the purpose of medicine is to give health.........

So if we are talking about say, man as opposed to woman, I think we ought to further narrow it down to the purpose of the man:

Man the human; and
Man the husband/provider/father....................and so on.

The reason being, no man is pefect, he may be a good friend but bad father. As a man go through life, his role would change and so would expections of him.

Generally, my belief is that one's function in life is to attain earthly happiness via reason and the attainment of virtue. So in whatever role a person may be, he would have to attain the virtue to function as best as possibe in that role.

..when i read this topic, i thought "man" was refering to a "person" (non-gender specific).  But since the contoh here is "man" (as in male) sekali with their roles ...... I couldnt help but feel that it's a bit ..ermm ...suffocating? if sekiranya my existence hanya dinilai by "how good i perform my roles? " (how good a father?) (how good a provider?) (how good a husband?) - am i? .....sedangkan, i'm just me ......?


mansairaku:
speaking of knives, ... i keep this small knife in my purse, bought it many years ago sampai tak ingat bila beli, cheap, old and a bit rusty, totally useless for cutting ... but i'd rather lose my shiny and very sharp kitchen knife than losing this little fella, too used to it i guess ...

Agul

[ Last edited by  Agul at 21-12-2007 12:46 AM ]