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Yes in a certain aspect I agree but...
For me, happiness, or the ultimate happiness, is not a feeling (like what you said). The Ultimate Happiness is more of a state of calm, of peace, where no disturbance occurs.
But for the sake of conversing with normal people, I will use their own definition. Which they understand. I don't know if any of us here ever touch or much less mantain the state of ultimate happiness. Most probably most of us will never ever really be in that state in our lifetime. We can talk until the cow comes home, but do we ever? It will just be a big mental orgy. It's just a mental masturbation. Long post will never ends.
Now what most of us can understand is the layman happiness. What most hardened, jaded adult defined as happiness. For most it is absents of misery. So this is still in the realm of feelingness. You can get to it by feeling it. Try it, feel it, do it.
Regarding whether success is even anything whatsoever, success is arbitrarily defined by the individual. And usually the individual follows what the mass dictates as success.
If the individual decides throwing rock into a llake is success, then doing that gives him a sense of accomplishment, a state of euphoria. This is what most people calls happiness.
Therefore, IMO success (read;limited definition), is not related at all with happiness. However can most of us transcend this? Most of us cant't. therefore we keep chasing and pursuing happiness like the donkey chasing a carrot. The donkey never gets it. You want to succeed in tis or that, so you will be happy. you will never be happy. Except surfacely and only for only a very short while. Like orgasm (except if you can prolong it but that's for another story). |
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Is there any success,
or a bunch of stress?
a long journey, to get money,
sweet like honey.
who knows how long it would stay,
may be for a while or
already gone the next day,
like night dream untouchable,
very incredible,
it has some power,
that makes everyone unconscious
gallop without control,
just fly on the top.
there isn't home there isn't place,
to land and think twice.
is that the place to have success,
being nothing but senseless?
or else lose everything buy emptyness?.. |
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What is your elaboration about success? Does success related to happiness or vice versa or non of the statement is relevant.
Let's discuss...
edaladiva Post at 21-7-2009 21:29 
everyone want to be happy... success is just a type of it.. many people find happiness through success.. mostly financial...
some find happiness in letting go...
some find happiness in doing something meaningful.... |
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Post Last Edit by hamizao at 9-8-2009 17:39
Lemme begin from the very beginning.......................Nasiblah kerana terlambat menyampuk!! Hehehehe! 
Different people would describe success differently. Varily , people can be successful at something. Nevertheless, many who seem to be having potentials of being successful are yet not successful at anything while those who seem to have little ability to succeed have in fact done tremendously. The other thing is, if others say that you are successful, that doesn't mean that you are. This is because....after much snooping around, I come to a standpoint that success ia a personal experience and it's true gauge is measured in the person's heart.
It can be multi-focal and can cover many spectrum of life...the more it is, the more complete. Generally, I would say success is realization of the destination in life. One man's destination is not always the same as the other. For it to be a success it has to mean something to you. So, back to the heart....it makes you feel happy , contented and complete. So, having lots of money for it's own sake, does not mean that the person is successful unless he feels contented, for example.Sure having money can rid many of your worries. It isn't how tall you stand, nor how much wealth, gold, chrome or intellegence you have but rather how you feel at the bottom of your heart.
I hope am making sense... |
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Oh my, now I realize my stupidity and the stupidity of this thread (no insult intended).
There are only two question that really matters.
1. Do you feel successful now?
2. Are you happy now?
What other people said, opinionated, or experienced is doesn't worth a dime/damn. |
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Post Last Edit by hamizao at 10-8-2009 22:59
I adore happiness not success.......I have seen successful person who is burnt out , destroy their family and no where to go except a bottle of malt whiskey.
thamrong Post at 3-8-2009 15:48
You think he is sucessful ...by your definition...That does not matter at all. |
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46# Agul
I'd say you got my drift....
Say, a sixfooter bagged the ball into the basket...............you'd think he'd succeeded. To him it did not take much for him to do it...so there is no feeling of triumph really. That feeling can only come about if there had been real challenges just like someone had mentioned ...failure after failure ...raise up again and again untill one day you achieve your goal. |
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Post Last Edit by mbhcsf at 11-8-2009 08:12
happiness is basically refers to a transient state of emotion / affect component... I guess the key to this priceless state of emotion is pretty much lies in the way a person's view of life/ perspective of life, personal values, accepting that a "perfect" life is always a balance ones - there are good, perfect and so there is also imperfection now and there - so what ---- kan? , a continuum actually ..some people are destined to have experience the state of happiness in abundance , but to some well .. it is a gift ,how transient it might be , still a gift....
so what we human should do? easy actually ..accepting life as it is, be grateful and lepaklah and always think that everything will fall into its place....after all ..HE is the ALL - KNowing ... kan? well..easy.... |
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50# mbhcsf
I would say that happiness is one of the gauge for one's success but is not all...Bottomline is, you cannot be successful over something you do not need to strive or work hard for. That would be like "makan kachang je" so, where is the triumph?
Also, you need to reach/attain something really meaningful such that it's attainment will give you that satisfaction, fulfillment, contentment....and happiness of course. Only you can tell if it's there....... |
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50# mbhcsf
I would say that happiness is one of the gauge for one's success but is not all...Bottomline is, you cannot be successful over something you do not need to strive or work hard for. Th ...
hamizao Post at 11-8-2009 17:45
yeah , there must surely be a sense of achievement. |
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