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tuan kelana,
super cruise of the gripen at mach 1.1 will take about 1 1/2 to 2 hours flt from kuantan to labuan, distance around 1500km. Max range for the the gripen ng is 4000km (ferry flt i supposed). super cruise power is not at max, kalu max power mau cecah mach 2, banyak boleh jimat nih... |
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Windof and lil_riyaz has got valid points there..windof and myself are pilots as well,so we do know a little tiny bit about planes too.
About flying into a flock of birds,do u think it matters if u have one or two engines? Think about it.
Once u get shot,single engine or twin,u're not gonna survive long.
About the argument whether the Gripen NG is at the tail end of fighter technology or not,I don't wish to get into a dick measuring contest with anyone,the facts are plain for all to see.It's pretty obvious.. see it as u like,but I think the majority here knows what's what.
BTW supercruise is not used for ferry flights..for that,econ cruise would suffice.
The argument about 'higher surviveability' won't end..why stop at two engines? Go for 4,6...
It's got the same flavour as 'what if' arguments.It never ends. |
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Why I like the Gripen? Its the expeditionary capabilities of the aircraft which impresses me. We have to be realistic that if Malaysia involved in an armed conflict, one of the primary target of the enemy is our airbases. In our current state, we have no medium and long range surface to air missile and we depend solely on our fighters to cover the air space. Just imagine if all of our airfield is hit. We will have no capability to defend our air space and the enemy will have total air dominance.
If we have the Gripen, it is proven that the aircraft could operate from almost anywhere with minimal crew to maintain it. Lil_Riyaz mentioned that the Gripen could land at Layang-Layang Island, which is true and not only it could land there, it could even theoretically be stationed there if the need arises!
In a scenario when we lost all major airbase, the Gripen could still be operated on smaller air field with minimal crew to maintain it thus we could wage an aerial guerrilla warfare with the enemy. It could take off from a secluded highway, hit the enemy and land in another secluded place. This is what the Swedish military planners had in mind during the development of the Gripen and in my opinion, should be in the mind of our military planners as well. |
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Post Last Edit by RainbowSix at 19-4-2010 12:31
'The argument about 'higher surviveability' won't end..why stop at two engines? Go for 4,6...
It's got the same flavour as 'what if' arguments.It never ends.'
So what if u are a pilot? Kalau mcm tu kita tanya dreber kereta kebal la nak beli tank. that does not make u an expert on all other fields?? |
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Malaysians to fully man Sukhois
2010/04/19
By Adrian David
GONG KEDAK: By September, operations at the Royal Malaysian Air Force base here are expected to be an all-Malaysian affair.
Gone will be the 50-odd Russian and Indian technical crew, engineering officers and instructor pilots following the end of their two-year service tenure.
RMAF chief Gen Datuk Seri Rodzali Daud said the departure of the expatriates would pose a strong challenge to the local airmen and women to stand on their own and operate the Sukhoi SU-30MKM flanker multi-role combat aircraft.
"We are confident (that we can) run the base and flight operations by ourselves, by which time there will be proper 'life support' maintenance and support facilities available," he said following a visit there by Defence Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi on April 10.
During the visit, Zahid went on a demonstration flight on the Flanker, piloted by 11th Squadron executive officer Lt Col Muhamad Norazlan "Giro" Aris.
It is learnt that the RMAF will still utilise the services of 300-odd staff from local maintenance company ATSC Sdn Bhd to support a similar strength of its own crew to continue running the base.
The New Straits Times understands that two dozen RMAF pilots will by then be fully trained to fly the SU-30MKM.
"These pioneer RMAF crew members will train younger batches to replace them," said Rodzali.
This will pose a stiff test for RMAF base commander Col Mohd Faudzi Ahmad, 11th Squadron commanding officer Col Suri Daud and their team.
While the Indians provided flight instructors, engineering officers, technical experts and administrative staff here, the Russians provided their test pilots and engineers to verify, certify and standardise the Flanker.
The base here is now Malaysia's foremost jet-fighter facility.
It was established in 1993, with nearby Bukit Puteri housing an air defence tactical radar for the RMAF's 321st Squadron.
By 2009, the ground-based 402nd air defence squadron and 11th Sukhoi Squadron were established.
To date, there are more than 1,000 servicemen and civilians stationed at the base, which is divided into two entities that nestle in an area straddling Kelantan and Terengganu.
The section housing the runway, technical and flight operations sits in Kelantan.
Across the border in Terengganu are the base administrative headquarters, staff quarters and other facilities like the flight simulator and meteorology station.
The Indian Air Force team are led by Group Capt K.V.R. Raju (standing, centre) flanked by wing commanders A.K. Bharti (left) and U.C. Sharma, with (front, from left) Alok Singh, H. Assudani, M.V. Sridhar and J.D. Mishra.
Security is watertight, with double high-perimeter barbed fencing and closed-circuit cameras around the 1,400ha base, which is believed to have been developed at a cost of RM200 million.
The base itself is equipped with giant hangars and hardened aircraft shelters to shield the jets from the scorching sun or in which to carry out maintenance work.
There is also the armaments and ordnance depot, and underground piping facility for aircraft refueling.
Zahid confirmed there were plans to expand the base to accommodate a new terminal for the arrival and departure of large transport aircraft, like the C-130 Hercules and VVIP jets.
Berita selingan hehehe |
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No doubt the single engine fighters nowadays are so reliable but the risk of loosing the engine and other possibilities cannot be ruled out. And remember the engine is not only provide propulsion, its also runs the hydraulic, electrical, bleed system etc. So if we have two, the pilots will have peace of mind all the way.
Lill-riyaz, when we talk about cruise, it standard la, above tropopause if possible. 25000 M0.6/0.7 tu C130 punya speed n level. PNR is only for critical fuel scenario, engine failure ... PNR right after airborne for single engine plane.
Windof, for after burner equipped fighters, throttle ada two quadrant, first detent is Full Military and 2nd detent is Full After Burner. Macam Climb and TOGA la. Normal cruise normally at 85 to 90 percent of Mil power.
Supergrip, I experienced birdstike and loose one engine on the F5 over the Spratly area. How grateful I was that I have 2 engines, still can climbed up and landed at Labuan. Cant imagine if I have to eject , in the enemy territory.
And thats not all, in 2003, exactly at BIKEN, windof and supergrip sud know this waypoint on P574, I lost one engine on A330, ETOPS scenario, landed VOMM.
So no matter how reliable the engine is, we still have to prepare for the worst. Kalau tak tak perlu la base check every six month. What a relief I am flying 4 engines now, sesekali fly 2 engines seriau jugak.
I baru pasal survivality, belum lagi talk about the specific access power or P sub S as the fighters termed it. It is very long subject and clearly shows the advantages of 2 engines against sinle in air combat.
Having said all these, i hope everybody understand why the fighter pilots wanted the 2 engines instead of one. I am sure windof and supergrip pernah refuse to take the plane up even tho the engineer say ok. We are the one who fly the thing up there and we want a clear peace of mind, stress free environment. |
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Reply 626# kelana36
Yup,I agree with all that u've said.As pilots,of course we want that extra buffer,that extra little that can mean making it back or ditching.
I've flown both twin and four engined aircrafts..I know what u mean about having four instead of two engines.End of the day,its our skin.I don't expect the PENGIUNS out there to understand this.But again,its a game of 'what if' and 'kalau'.That's why I said I wouldn't be too disappointed if we buy the SuperHornet.It's just that there are other considerations as well,other than engines.Cost,ease of maintanence,ease of operations,future space for growth,net-centicability,system integration also plays a huge role as well,and sometimes we need to be realistic.Hence why my top choice for the M-MRCA requirement is the Gripen NG.If u put all that into the equation,u can see that the choice that we have against the budget that we have is not that considerable.
Nice to talk to those who knows what they're saying,and in a nice civilized manner at that.Also an honour to meet one of our fighter jocks.Hope to learn more from u,as far as fighters are concerned. |
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Why I like the Gripen? Its the expeditionary capabilities of the aircraft which impresses me. We hav ...
escortburuk Post at 19-4-2010 11:58 
Agreed and well said..
Another reason why I think the Gripen NG is unmatched out of all the choices that we have.None of the other jets have this ability.This fact alone outweighs all of the criticisms thrown towards the Gripen. |
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Well, if the Gripens are good enough for a well-developed country like Sweden, why shouldnt it be good enough for us? |
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'I've flown both twin and four engined aircrafts..I know what u mean about having four instead of two engines.End of the day,its our skin.I don't expect the PENGIUNS out there to understand this.But again,its a game of 'what if' and 'kalau'.That's why I said I wouldn't be too disappointed if we buy the SuperHornet.'
And the penguins dont expect you to understand strategy either. Mentality drebar. |
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Reply 630# RainbowSix
chill dude...refer to the topic la...M-MRCA utk TUDM...if u hav ur preference juz state ur mind and opinion..surely thre are camps of gripen,Sh,typhoon and others..kalau suka..suka la..tak suka sudah...dont juz condemn any without justification. The 'mentaliti drebar' is totally uncalled for..end up it's the drebar yg nak rasa perit bawak jugak.. |
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Reply 630# RainbowSix
I wouldnt say that rainbow. Mostly the civilian here in MPSA they know a lot about our defence. The fact that they are here in MPSA is because they are interested , very enthuasistic and done a lot of research and their knowledge far ahead especially regarding the defence hardware and software .Strategically yes, sometimes they are clueless but here we are, together we learn something out of this forum. |
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You guys know what ... since Najib had his hanky panky session with Obama on buddy2 mode ..
It seems SuperBugs will really make part of the deal ..... well, the quantity is in the question here ...
Since we lacked budget, I really think that realistically at most, we'll only be able to afford 10 SuperBugs to complement the existing 8 F-1D Hornet RMAF operated. It sounds nice though ... a squadron of Hornets with 10 F-18Fs plus 8 F-18Ds, alongside a Sukhoi squadron of 18 Su-30MKM ... a balance mix between Western & Eastern bloc weapons platforms. |
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It's either the Superbugs or Falcon, seems our ties with the US is strengthening~ |
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Somehow my gut feeling does not fancy us hardware. Dun get me wrong, us hardwares are good. But somehow I got a feeling we'll lose somewhat some independence. |
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It's always a win-win situation, u gain some, u lose some, I won't mind losing some independence as long it's for the greater good~ |
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the winner noticeably will be the superbug..... if they hv enuff money, 18 is the favorite number.
(hope i'm wrong...... ) |
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Reply 636# rastablank
well, on the brighter side, the procurement of us hardwares usually means no JP Inc.  |
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last2 depa angkut itu typhoon.... selat inggeris manyak jerung dak? |
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