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Author: siraplengkong

Kenapa Germany kalah dlm Perang Dunia ke 2?

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Post time 28-6-2008 10:30 AM | Show all posts

Reply #96 thessailly's post

Pertempuran mana ni?
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Post time 30-6-2008 12:41 AM | Show all posts
tak ingat..nak tengok balik pun tak ingat tajuk apa...lebih kurang, tambah tolak sikit, macam tu la...
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Post time 30-6-2008 01:10 AM | Show all posts

Reply #102 thessailly's post

germany perang dengan spain ke ?
pagi ni he he
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Post time 30-6-2008 01:32 AM | Show all posts
yerr....diorang kalah perang time WW tu...
tapi berjaya ke final menginggalkan lawan2 perang dier dulu.....hahaha

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Post time 30-6-2008 05:55 PM | Show all posts
pagi  tadi pun germany kalah dgn Spain.....

wa tgk lucas podolski, Michael Ballack dgn Miroslav klose tak leh menandingi kehebatan Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso dan Sergio Ramos......


he...he..he..
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Post time 30-6-2008 05:57 PM | Show all posts
pagi  tadi pun germany kalah dgn Spain.....

wa tgk lucas podolski, Michael Ballack dgn Miroslav klose tak leh menandingi kehebatan Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso dan Sergio Ramos......


he...he..he..
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Post time 30-6-2008 07:12 PM | Show all posts
Der Untergang '' Downfall '' (2004)





German / Austrian film depicting the final twelve days of Adolf Hitler in his Berlin bunker and Nazi Germany in 1945, directed by Oliver Hirschbiegel, written by Bernd Eichinger, and based upon the books: Inside Hitler's Bunker, by historian Joachim Fest; portions of Albert Speer's memoirs; the memoirs of Traudl Junge, one of Hitler's secretaries; Hitler's Last Days: An Eye-Witness Account, by Gerhardt Boldt; doctor Ernst-G黱ther Schenck's memoirs; and the memoirs of Siegfried Knappe.



In the last days of World War Two, the Red Army is fighting its way into Berlin. Deep within his bunker underneath the Reichskanzlei, Adolf Hitler celebrates his last birthday and lives out his final ten days isolated from the world, desperately ordering counterattacks that will never happen, from armies that exist only on maps, commanded by men who are most likely dead. Played by Swiss actor Bruno Ganz, Hitler is presented as he was in the last months of World War II: a sick, exhausted man but dreaming still of a Greater Germany amid the ruins of war-ravaged Berlin and callously ranting against the 'weakness' and 'deserved destruction' of the German citizenry. As the Red Army draws nearer and imminent defeat looms over the Third Reich Hitler is seen alone with his clique which consists of Joseph Goebbels (Ulrich Matthes), Albert Speer (Heino Ferch) and (briefly) SS leader Heinrich Himmler (Ulrich Noethen), along with his personal staff.

Most of the events are depicted from the perspective of Hitler's young personal secretary Traudl Junge (Alexandra Maria Lara). Events outside Hitler's bunker are mostly depicted from the perspective of SS doctor Ernst-G黱ther Schenck (Christian Berkel). On the day before his death Hitler marries his longtime mistress Eva Braun (Juliane K鰄ler) and they commit suicide together on April 30, 1945, ten days after Hitler's 56th birthday.











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lwK6Sd8Sc



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Post time 1-7-2008 09:31 AM | Show all posts
All hail Hitler....
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Post time 3-7-2008 11:17 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by salimrock at 30-6-2008 05:57 PM
pagi  tadi pun germany kalah dgn Spain.....

wa tgk lucas podolski, Michael Ballack dgn Miroslav klose tak leh menandingi kehebatan Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso dan Sergio Ramos......


he.. ...


walau bagaimana pun.....dier kalah ngan pasukan bola yg penah menjadi sekutu rapat dier suatu ketika dulu......
dan berjaya menjadi naib juara meninggalkan lawan2 perang dier.....
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Post time 4-7-2008 12:50 AM | Show all posts
eh...apsal citer pasal bola lak nie.....
okey....kiter berbalik pd topik asal.....

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Post time 5-7-2008 02:22 PM | Show all posts
nk tanyer skit.....
yg jerman gi serang russia tu pasal aper plak.....
atas dasar aper?.....adakah time WW 1 tu russia ader join negara yg serang dier dulu?..

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Post time 6-7-2008 10:17 AM | Show all posts
Rusia memang ada berperang dengan Jerman ketika WW1. Rusia mengalami kekalahan teruk di pertempuran Tannenberg.

Masa WW2 sebab kenapa Jerman Rusia secara ringkasnya seperti berikut:
1. Negara Jerman perlukan ruang untuk penduduk yang semakin bertambah dan ruang tinggal (dipanggil Lebensraum) ada di timur (Russia)
2. Bangsa Slav dianggap sebagai sub-human dan tak layak hidup dengan bangsa Aryan..mereka ni boleh dijadikan hamba.
3. Ideologi komunis Soviet Union yang dianggap mengancam ideologi nasional sosiolis Nazi.
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Post time 6-7-2008 08:36 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by alphawolf at 6-7-2008 10:17 AM
1. Negara Jerman perlukan ruang untuk penduduk yang semakin bertambahdan ruang tinggal (dipanggil Lebensraum) ada di timur (Russia)
2. Bangsa Slav dianggap sebagai sub-human dan tak layak hidup dengan bangsa Aryan..mereka ni boleh dijadikan hamba


yups.....russia negara yg ter sgt besar.....tapi bangsa slav yg ko maksud kan tu sebenarnya bangsa aper?....
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Post time 7-7-2008 08:17 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tribute at 6-7-2008 20:36


yups.....russia negara yg ter sgt besar.....tapi bangsa slav yg ko maksud kan tu sebenarnya bangsa aper?....


Bangsa Slav tu orang Eropah Timur la - orang Czech, Rusia, Ukraine, Poland, Bosnian, Serb, Croat....
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Post time 7-7-2008 08:45 AM | Show all posts

Aku yakin...

Sekiranya Jerman tidak kalah dalam Perang Dunia Kedua ia sudah tentu akan menjadi negara superpower sepertimana Amerika Syarikat sekarang. Tapi nasib tidak berada dipihaknya.
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Post time 7-7-2008 09:51 AM | Show all posts
Aku rasa bukan nasib....macamana nak menang kalau population base aje lebih kecil dari Rusia dan Amerika? Tu tak campur industrial capacity lagi.
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Post time 7-7-2008 10:07 AM | Show all posts

Reply #112 alphawolf's post

Tapi mase WW1, ideologi Nazi takde, Ideologi tu ade selepas Jerman kalah WW1 jek
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Post time 7-7-2008 11:39 AM | Show all posts
memang...tapi jerman kalah pasal tu jugak masa WW1....kena pulak rakyat dia dah tensen menjelang akhir peperangan...
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Post time 7-7-2008 12:59 PM | Show all posts
diorang kata kat wax museum kat england, patung hitler kena penggal kepala dia ek....
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Post time 11-3-2009 01:30 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by siraplengkong at 28-3-2005 12:21
Kenapa Germany kalah dlm Perang Dunia ke 2?

tapi kebanyakkan historian bersetuju  sebab utama ialah kebodohan/kesilapan Adolf Hitler dalam membuat pelan strategiknya......

Antara 2 kesilapan terbesar yang dibuatnya

1. Melancarkan serangan terhadap Soviet Union pada June 6 1941.
Pda masa tu Germany dan Soviet ada pakatan non-agression pact(pakatan sekutu sementara) .Sepatutnya Hitler terus menyerang England dan menewaskanya sebelum beralih ke Soviet. Bila Germany menyerang Soviet , ini bermakna ia terpaksa berlawan dalam dua war front (sebelah barat dan timur), sama seperti pada perang dunia pertama di mana ternyata Germany tidak mampu menahan perang dua front.


2. Mengistiharkan perang terhadap Amerika pada 11 December 1941 apabila Jepun menyerang Pearl Habour. Amerika pada masa itu adalah neutral hanya memberi sokongan material kpd UK dengan Soviet.Ramai General German kecewa/mempersoalkan tindakan Hiler  sedangkan Jepun (sekutu German)tidak menolong Germany dengan menyerang Soviet pada sebelah timur, kenapa German harus ikut Jepun dgn berperang gan US.

Ini bermakna Germany terpaksa berperang dengan 2 negara perindustrian terbersar dunia (U.S dan Soviet) di samping  negara yang mempunyai empayar yang terbesar di dunia (United Kingdom). Akibatnya negara2 tersebut yg mempunyai resources dan manpower yang banyak mampu menewaskan germany dengan supriority askar,peralatan dan resources (terutamanya minyak).

So walaupun hebat macam mana scientist, askar dan peralatan Jerman ia pasti akan tewas lambat laun. Hitler adalah seorang yang genius pada mulanya perang tapi menjadi orang yang gila kuasa dan  bodoh bila tamat perang.
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Sebenarnya   Jerman   gak  berharap   Jepun   menyerang   Russia  dari  sebelah   Timur   ...tetapi   Jepun  tak  berbuat   demikian   ......
Stalin     pun     takut    gak    .....
Russia   tentu   akan   tewas   jika   diserang   dua   penjuru   ....
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