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[Tempatan] 'PUASA FOR MALAYSIA’ PENGHINAAN KEPADA ISLAM, TAK WAJAR DITERUSKAN .

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Post time 27-7-2017 11:09 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
malang sungguh kalau jadi penganut agama yg senang rasa terhina, baik oeg buta dan pekak saja yg menganut agama lemah mcm ni supaya tak rasa susah hati nanti
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Post time 27-7-2017 11:13 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
sepatutnya agama ni sgt strong...saya ingat dlm dunia ni hanya sejenis agama yg perlu protection dan main paksa saja
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Post time 27-7-2017 11:34 PM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 27-7-2017 09:36 PM
Takkkk...tak marah cuma terhibur dgn kebodohan nko...

Pader Medeng jgn marah tau nanti ken ...

Elhemdooleelleh Lobai Foreskin tak marah.....

Tanya sket lagi Lobai Foreskin... Dalam Isle, buang hood totey tu sunat ka wajib? Ada orang kata sunat tapi ada yang kata wajib.

Ada forumners kata Lobai Foreskin lah pakarnya kalau pasal hood totey.

Harap dapat jawapan segera dari Lobai Foreskin.....
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sofea_uk replied at 26-7-2017 08:30 PM
Hihihi.. Kau mengadu kat loyar karat badigol kaki auta watpe ??

Loyar bahalol tong koso ...

Sentap nampak ...
I layan kan saja ...  
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Dwdrum replied at 26-7-2017 04:57 PM
Apa boleh buat pencinta wanita ... imaginary heaven 72  bidadari lagi..... terbang naik buraq ke s ...

bulan terbelah jadi dua   
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Maideen. replied at 26-7-2017 08:53 PM
Dia tu kalau menceritakan pengalaman dia tentang perbezaan mengulom zakar yang bersunat dengan zak ...

Beliau ter kantoi .... tidak mengaku pula....  
Apa boleh di harap kalau beliau mengaku .. nampak sundal sangat.
Sekarang lebih teruk tidak mengaku pula...sebab kena hidung sendiri .. jelas lah mereka ini kuat temberang untuk menang berhujah..
Akibat lantik diri sendiri jadi pejuang isle.. akibat nya akui sendiri kaki temberang .....  
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Defcon2 replied at 27-7-2017 06:01 AM
Buktinya Quran tak pernah berubah. Di dalamnya turut dinyatakan bahawa Quran akan dipelihara.

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ni buktinya...... semuanya dgn izin tohan   

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Post time 28-7-2017 03:16 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Edited by Dwdrum at 27-7-2017 11:18 AM
sam1528 replied at 27-7-2017 02:59 AM
Ha ha .. kesian , minah sewel dah kantoi

Tak tau beza antara 'chinese whispers' & mutawatir tra ...


U kenapa .. pedophilia ?
I cakap pedohebephilia why u tidak jumpa terminology lagi kah?
Terus kan mengoogle  

Chinese whispers sam... dengar daripada kepada  daripada kepada .........


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Post time 28-7-2017 03:52 AM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 27-7-2017 02:57 AM
Ha ha .. minah sewel dah pening .. dah mula buka langkah nak lari

Minah slow:
Tu dia berbuih mulut dgn category tapi aku mintak definisi bukan category. Takut lah tu pasal ko tau ko akan kantoi


Buat apa takut i ....tunggu u bagi saja apa u faham dalam 'medical term' itu ..
Even category pun tidak faham..kalau u faham u tidak akan tanya sunnah kahwin budak dan kahwin dewasa ....
Kenapa u tanya i , u ini kan kaki gooogle... takut salah google lah tuuu..


Minah slow:
Hmmm .. ko jugak yg bawak klaim yg Nabi Muhammad(saw) paedophile.  Ko lah kena bawak bukti. Ini dari geng ko , si l̶o̶y̶a̶r̶ ̶k̶a̶r̶a̶t̶  oops legal assistant maideen  Quote: Dalam bahasa latinnya di sebut:"Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio atau "Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit" yang bermaksud siapa yang claim (yakni mendakwa sesuatu) dialah yang membawa bukti. Dalam bahasa Inggerisnya di sebut "He who asserts brings the proof". Ianya sudah menjadi cara berdiscourse orang orang berpelajaran dan bertamaddun di seluroh donya selama beberapa abad.


Sejak bila u faham benda begini .. i tanya bukti adam itu islam ... u jawab faham maksud islam dan iman ... itu bukti kah sam ..
U dapat definisi pedohebephilia ? Hampir sama saja dengan pedophillia ada tambahan sedikit
Tamadun sangat kan sam seperti u mahu bukti kewujudan tuhan sambil terang kan keoada acong bagaimana proses abiogenesis.. lebih senang u cakap saja 'kun faya kun'


Minah slow:
Aku punyalah baik hati .. mintak definisi aje .. bukan bukti .. tu pon ko takut bagi. Ikut idola ko , si l̶o̶y̶a̶r̶ ̶k̶a̶r̶a̶t̶  oops legal assistant maideen , ko tak bertamaddun & tak berpelajaran lah.
Apa pasal ko takut bagi definisi paedophile (medical definition)? Pasal ko tau ko akan kantoi .. jadik modal air liur aje lah .. ni lah dia geng ateis & pro ateis , bila mintak korang bukti / rujukkan ... mula lah lari ... Kesian .. pengecut rupa2 nya si minah sewel ni


Sebab u ini tong kosong ... mahu tengok hujah putar alam berapa banyak u mampu takut beri salah imformation keeee... or uuups takut salah google hahahaa.....




Minah slow:
Ko jugak yg kata dlm post#1552
Quote: cukup syarat nikah dalam hutan juga boleh nikah u know
Monyet ke jurunikah ko tu? Patut pon sewel semacam aje atau ko memang tak nikah. Kalo bangsat nikah pompuan 6 thn , maka bangsat lah makamah kat US tu. Oops .. ko kan akan ajar anak ko ttg contraceptive .. bagi aje duit beli .. free living maa ... kesian .. itu lah value ko in life


Hahaahhahaaaa apa kah bongok u ini yacking like hell.... otak kosong u ini.. i sudah cakap cukup syarat nikah..... how come lobai bertukar jadi monyet hahaahaha... sentap lobai nanti .. hahhahaa or u rasa tuhan juga boleh jadi saksi ?




Minah slow:
LOL , nikah tak maksud consummate marriage. Ia hanya ikatan dgn kontrak. Macamana kalo dlm kontrak tersebut hanya boleh consummate bila pompuan tu 20 thn ke atau bila baligh ke atau dia mesti tinggal bersama parents hingga 20 ke etc baru duduk sama suami?


Lupa pula anak u sudah gatal mahu kahwin buat apa perlu tunggu lagi kannn...
Hanya pedo kahwin umur 6 tahun saja buat begitu ... bela... brainwash .. and then.... faham lah ... sudah kahwin dengan budak even tidak kenal period lagi ... perlu cukup umur lah .. cuba u buka tanner scale dan digging more deeper ... itu lah benda berulang i cakap bongok ! ...
Kan i cakap mahu focus pada pedo .... masalah fahaman u ini ...




Minah slow:
Oops kat ko ia haram ... ye lah , ikut pemahaman bangang ko , kawin pompuan 6 thn sunnah nabi tapi kalo kawin pompuan 20 thn ke , 30 thn ke ... 50 thn ke ... beeep!! Haram


Siapa cakap haram  kahwin perempuan matang ... ?
U mahu confuse kan i dengan sunnah  ... even kahwin budak belum cukup umur dengan dewasa... pasang perangkap leeee tuuu .... kekekekekeke




Minah slow:
Hi hi hi .. punya lah bangang minah sewel ni ... mabuk semacam aje jawapan ko ni
Tu dia .. medical term loop hole .. porrah lah ... hanya org mabuk aje buat klaim macam ko buat. Cuba ko jelaskan apa dia loopholes tersebut .. loophole buat sendiri oleh minah sewel ...


Ada banyak orang misissued dengan viral pedo dan medical term u ini. Ada i cakap ecah kena  sex abuse kah bongok.. u cari dari awal comment i tidak relate dengan sexual abuse bongok.... i cuma terangkan .... i consistence jawab in general sex itu natural.. even jantan sama jantan juga natural ... unless u tengok di dalam pandangan psycology dan kesalahan jenayah dan moral. Cari di mana mana  post if i cakap si ecah di abuse lee kaplan..
U mula pusing sam ... jijik perangai...


Minah slow:
Minah sewel yg duduk dlm gua pasal tak tau ages of consent in most muslim countries .. dah kantoi ... nak cover malu , cakap lah ignore pada hal ko jugak yg bawak isu tersebut


Itu tanda nya u guys masih amal kan budaya tidak tamadun... seperti juga penganut di negara mat salleh masih amal budaya uncivilize tersebut.




Minah slow:
Tetiba semua lapisan umur 6 ke atas boleh nikah .. jadi isu skg kawin adalah sunnah ... ubah pulak pendirian setuju dagn pendirian geng muslim


Jijik bangsat u ini kan... tidak salah kahwin legal age... yang bangsat kahwin umur 6 tahun jadi sunnah.
Pendirian muslim apa u ini negara kafir ada legal agee marriage... apa kah bongok u ini cuma i tidak agree budak bawah umur... u ini sudah gila or what ?


Awat hang takut berdepan dgn bro Defcon ke? Macam takut aje ...


No bukan takut ... seems i rasa beliau ok bukan mulut popcorn seperti u but sedikit bodoh i pity mahu tegur ,


suka tengok u sentap seperti wildhog kena airgun.  




Minah slow boleh u edit posting u ... soalan jadi double .... jenis pemalas

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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 27-7-2017 08:30 PM
Defcon2 replied at 27-7-2017 06:01 AM
Buktinya Quran tak pernah berubah. Di dalamnya turut dinyatakan bahawa Quran akan dipelihara.

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http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm


Tak pernah berubah tapi apasal ada banyak versi? Kata tohan yang turunkan, kalau tohan yang turunkan seharusnya lah semua sama. Sebab itu saya kata man made.
DIFFERENT ARABIC VERSIONS OF THE QUR'AN
By Samuel Green
INTRODUCTION
Many Muslims have told me that the Qur'an has been perfectly preserved and that all Qur'ans around the world are absolutely identical. They have said this in order to prove that the Qur'an is superior to the Bible. Maybe a Muslim has said this to you? Maybe you are a Muslim and this is what you believe and have said about the Qur'an yourself?
It is common for Muslims to believe and say this because this is what their leaders teach them. Consider the following quote.
No other book in the world can match the Qur'an ... The astonishing fact about this book of ALLAH is that it has remained unchanged, even to a dot, over the last fourteen hundred years. ... No variation of text can be found in it. You can check this for yourself by listening to the recitation of Muslims from different parts of the world. (Basic Principles of Islam, p. 4)
The above claim is that all Qur'ans around the world are identical and that "no variation of text can be found". In fact the author issues a challenge saying, "You can check this for yourself by listening to the recitation of Muslims from different parts of the world". In this article I will take up this challenge and see if all Qur'ans are identical.
CONTENTS
HISTORY
To start our investigation we turn to an Islamic encyclopedia written by a practising Muslim. This scholar explains an important aspect of the history of the Qur'an. Please read this quote a few times if you are new to this area of study.
(C)ertain variant readings (of the Qur'an) existed and, indeed, persisted and increased as the Companions who had memorised the text died, and because the inchoate (basic) Arabic script, lacking vowel signs and even necessary diacriticals to distinguish between certain consonants, was inadequate. ... In the 4th Islamic century, it was decided to have recourse (to return) to "readings" (qira'at) handed down from seven authoritative "readers" (qurra'); in order, moreover, to ensure accuracy of transmission, two "transmitters" (rawi, pl. ruwah) were accorded to each. There resulted from this seven basic texts (al-qira'at as-sab', "the seven readings"), each having two transmitted versions (riwayatan) with only minor variations in phrasing, but all containing meticulous vowel-points and other necessary diacritical marks. ... The authoritative "readers" are:
Nafi` (from Medina; d. 169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d. 119/737)
Abu `Amr al-`Ala' (from Damascus; d. 153/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d. 118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d. 156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d. 189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d. 158/778)
(Cyril Glassé, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, p. 324, bold added)
Therefore, we need to realise that the Qur'an has been passed down to us from men called the "Readers". They were famous reciters of the Qur'an in the early centuries of Islam. The way these men recited the Qur'an was formally recorded in textual form by other men called the "Transmitters". There are in fact more Readers and Transmitters than those listed above. The table below lists the ten commonly accepted Readers, their transmitted versions, and their current area of use.
The ReaderThe TransmitterCurrent Area of Use
"The Seven"
Nafi`Warsh Algeria, Morocco, parts of Tunisia, West Africa and Sudan
Qalun Libya, Tunisia and parts of Qatar
Ibn Kathiral-Bazzi
Qunbul
Abu `Amr al-'Ala'al-Duri Parts of Sudan and West Africa
al-Suri
Ibn `AmirHishamParts of Yemen
Ibn Dhakwan
HamzahKhalaf
Khallad
al-Kisa'ial-Duri
Abu'l-Harith
Abu Bakr `AsimHafsMuslim world in general
Ibn `Ayyash
"The Three"
Abu Ja`farIbn Wardan
Ibn Jamaz
Ya`qub al-HashimiRuways
Rawh
Khalaf al-BazzarIshaq
Idris al-Haddad
Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi, An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur'aan, p. 199.
What the above means is that the Qur'an has come to us through many transmitted versions. You cannot recite or read the Qur'an except through one of these versions. Each version has its own chain of narrators (isnad) like a hadith. There are more versions than those listed above but they are not considered authentic because their chain of narration is considered weak. Not all of these versions are printed or used today, but several are. We will now compare two of them.
A COMPARISON BETWEEN TWO ARABIC QUR'ANS
All these facts can be a bit confusing when you first read them. If you are feeling that way don't worry; it's normal. To make things simple we will now compare two Qur'ans from different parts of the world to see if they are identical. The Qur'an on the left is now the most commonly used Qur'an. It is the 1924 Egyptian standard edition based on the of the transmitted version of Imam Hafs. The Qur'an on the right is according to Imam Warsh's transmitted version and is mainly used in North Africa.
When we compare these Qur'ans it becomes obvious they are not identical. There are four main types of differences between them.
  • Graphical/Basic Letter Differences
  • Diacritical Differences
  • Vowel Differences
  • Basmalah Difference
The following examples are from the same word in the same verse. On some occasions the verse number differs because the two Qur'ans number their verses differently. There is a slight difference in script as well: the letter Qaaf in the Warsh version is written with only one dot above, and the Faa has a single dot below. This is the orthography of North African (Maghribi) Arabic script.
Graphical/Basic Letter Differences
THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFSTHE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH
wawassaa
And Ibrahim enjoined (wawassaa) on his sons ... 2:132
wa'awsaa
And Ibrahim instructed/made (wa’awsaa) his sons ... 2:131
The Hafs version is a 2nd form verb, while the Warsh version has an extra alif to make a 4th form verb. This intensifies the meaning of the verb.
wasaari'uu
And hasten to ... 3:133
saari'uu
Hasten to ... 3:133
The Hafs version has the extra word waw (and). This does not change the meaning of the verse but does add an extra word.
yartadda
... turn back ... 5:54
yartadid
... turn back ... 5:56
The two words are recited differently but have the same meaning. They are two different examples of the 8th form jussive verb. This is most likely a difference in dialect.
qaala
He said (qaala), "My lord knows ..." (21:4)
qul
Say (qul): My lord knows ... (21:4)
In the Hafs version qaala is the perfect tense and therefore Muhammad is the subject of the verb, but in the Warsh version qul is the imperative and therefore the subject is God who is commanding Muhammad/Muslims. This difference is repeated in 21:112.
walaayakhaafu
... and for him is no fear (walaayakhaafu) ... 91:15
falaayakhaafu
... therefore, for him is no fear (falaayakhaafu) ... 91:15
There are different letters at the beginning of these words. This changes the connection from "and" to "therefore".
Diacritical Differences
Arabic uses dots (i'jam) to distinguish certain letters that are written the same way. For instance the basic symbol represents five different letters in Arabic depending upon where the diacritical dots are placed: baa', taa', thaa', nuun, yaa'. Here we see another difference between these two Qur'ans; they do not have the dots in the same place. The result is that different letters are formed.
THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFSTHE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH
nagfir
... we give mercy ... 2:58
yughfar
... he gives mercy ... 2:57
There are different letters at the beginning of these words. This difference changes the meaning from "we" to "he".
taquluna
... you (plural) say ... 2:140
yaquluna
... they say ... 2:139
There are different letters at the beginning of these words. This difference changes the meaning from "you" to "they".
nunshizuhaa
... we shall raise up ... 2:259
nunshiruhaa
... we shall revive/make alive ... 2:258
There are different root letters in these words and this makes two different words. The two words have a similar meaning but are not identical.
ataytukum
I gave you ... 3:81
ataynakum
We gave you ... 3:80
There are different letters in the middle of these words. This difference changes the meaning from "I" to "we".
yu'tiihim
... he gives them ... 4:152
nuutiihimuu
... we give them ... 4:151
There are different letters at the beginning of these words. This difference changes the meaning from "we" to "he".
Vowel Differences
Arabic uses small symbols (tashkil) above and below the letters to indicate some of the vowels of a word. Here we see another difference between these two Qur'ans; they do not use the same vowels in the same place.
THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO OF IMAM HAFSTHE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO OF IMAM WARSH
maaliki yawmi
Owner of the Day ... 1:4
maliki yawmi
King of the Day ... 1:3
The Hafs version has a long alif which makes an active participle meaning owner, while the Warsh version is a nominal noun meaning king.
yakhda'uuna
... they deceive ... 2:9
yukhaadi'uuna
... they seek to deceive ... 2:8
There are different vowels on the first and second letters of these words. The Hafs version is a 1st form of the verb, while the Warsh version is a 3rd form.
yakdhibuuna
... they lie ... 2:10
yukadhdhibuuna
... they were lied to (or) they deny ... 2:9
There are different vowels on the first and second letters of these words. The Hafs version is a 1st form of the verb, while the Warsh version is a 2nd form either active or passive. (Note: this word appears twice in this verse.)
hatta yaquula
... so that they said ... 2:214
hatta yaquulu
... until they said ... 2:212
There is a different vowel on the last letter. The fatha vowel used in the Hafs version places the verb into the subjunctive mood which gives the preceding particle hatta the meaning so that. The Warsh version uses the damma vowel which places the verb into the imperfect indicative mood which gives the particle hatta the meaning until.
ta'aamu miskiinin
... a redemption by feeding a poor man ... 2:184
ta'aami masakiina
... a redemption by feeding poor men ... 2:183
There are several different vowels in these words. These change the noun from singular to plural; and hence changes the number of men you are required to feed to redeem yourself for failing to fast.
qatala
And many a prophet fought (qatala) ... 3.146
qutila
And many a prophet was killed (qutila) ... 3.146.
There are different vowels in these words. These change the meaning from the active to the passive. Compare to the use of this word in 3:144.
risaalatahu
his message ... 5:67
risaalatihi
his message ... 5:69
There are different vowels on the last two letters of these words. These change the case and pronunciation of the word. The Hafs version is in the accusative case while the Warsh is in the genitive. This reflects a different understanding of the grammar of the sentence.
sihraani
... two works of magic ... 28:48
saahiraani
... two magicians ... 28:48
There are different vowels on the first two letters of these words. These change the word from an active participle in the Hafs version to a noun in the Warsh.
The Number of Differences
We have now considered three types of differences between these two Qur'ans: differences in letters, diacritical dots and vowels, but how many of these differences are there between these two Qur'ans? There are Islamic reference books that answer this question. The title page below is from a book entitled, "The Readings and Rhythm of the Uthman (Qur'anic) Manuscript".
In this book the author displays the text of the Hafs version of the Qur'an but underlines any word where there is a difference among the Readers. This difference is then shown in the margin. The author has used a colour coded system to show which Reader is different. If the variant word in the margin is red this indicates that the Reader was Imam Warsh. Please study the page below and identify the underlined words and then the corresponding colour coded words in the margin.
When the red coded differences are counted there are found to be 1354 accepted differences between the Hafs and Warsh versions.
Basmalah Differences
There is another type of difference between these two Qur'ans, the Basmalah. The Basmalah is the phrase, "In the Name of Allaah, the Ever-Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy". Both the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Qur'an have the Basmalah at the start of every sura except sura 9. In this way they are identical, however, while including it in their Qur'ans these Imams understood the Basmalah in very different ways. For Imam Hafs, the Basmalah was part of the revelation and part of the first verse as it was recited, while for Imam Warsh, the Basmalah was a du'a (supplication) to introduce each sura; it was written at the start of each sura, like the sura titles, but was not considered part of the revelation. Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi explains this.
The basmalah is the phrase that occurs at the beginning of each soorah of the Qur'aan, except for Soorah at-Tawbah, and reads, as every Muslim knows,






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Edited by FOTHER-MUCKER at 27-7-2017 08:27 PM
Defcon2 replied at 27-7-2017 06:01 AM
Buktinya Quran tak pernah berubah. Di dalamnya turut dinyatakan bahawa Quran akan dipelihara.

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lol masih tak faham maksud bukti ataupun dengan sengaja buat buat tak faham sebab sememangnya kamu tidak boleh membuktikan apa apa.
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Maideen. replied at 27-7-2017 12:12 PM
Aaaaaa....bagus gitew.  

So bolehlah Maideen mengemukakan bukti bahawa Neil Armstrong ada ter ...

wahhhh...memang terbuktilah
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Atuk_kau_mulhid replied at 27-7-2017 06:57 PM
ni buktinya...... semuanya dgn izin tohan

Lobai defcon sudah sentap
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takebeer..........  

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Atuk_kau_mulhid replied at 27-7-2017 10:54 AM
bulan terbelah jadi dua

Bulan terbelah dua boleh buat movie  
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Dwdrum replied at 27-7-2017 09:50 AM
I edit biar kosong comment i yang lepas.... soalan i senang saja pada mereka minta bukti
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Memedo itu sunnahh
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Post time 28-7-2017 05:39 AM | Show all posts
Dwdrum replied at 27-7-2017 09:32 PM
Bulan terbelah dua boleh buat movie

nie bukti bulan terbelah dua   



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OrenTheReturn replied at 27-7-2017 01:35 PM
Memedo itu sunnahh

Di akui  
Tetapi minah slow tanya soalan kahwin wanita dewasa boleh pula.... . Sedang kan bercakap tentang pedo  
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Atuk_kau_mulhid replied at 27-7-2017 01:39 PM
nie bukti bulan terbelah dua

Banyak sangat makan qat ...
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Dwdrum replied at 27-7-2017 06:55 PM
Beliau ter kantoi .... tidak mengaku pula....   
Apa boleh di harap kalau beliau mengaku .. nam ...

Lobai sememangnya kaki temberang kehulu kehilir dengan turban lilit kat kepala mereka sambil drive proton saga guna engine google. Itulah lobai ci dari keluarga kelahiran SAMDOL
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