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[Tempatan] Siti Hasmah: Suami larang saya bertudung. #31 Laman pro-Najib menyelar Siti Hasm

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Post time 7-12-2017 12:34 PM | Show all posts
by da wayy yg kome rope tekejut berok Tun M tak bg pakei tudong tu dah kenapa??
besepah member akak jenis laki tak bg pakai tudong...
tiada yg mengherankan species laki sebegini...

tolonglah acik kepam besosiallah sikitttttttt....jumpa la kesah sebenar..kenapa dan mengapa wujud lelaki sedemikian....dah kome dapek laki bg pakai tudung tu sokor jek la...toksah nak wat kekwat sangat...
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Post time 7-12-2017 01:06 PM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 7-12-2017 12:49 AM
Soalan sis tu nanti Red jawab ya..

Red tahu yg sis tahu tentang Hijab tapi utk yg masih belum t ...

ok. Coz iayam konpius. Ai dgr ceramah radio setaz kata tudung. Setaz azri & Azhar pun kata tudung. And if tengok ayat Annur tu.



thiyabunna = pakaian. Bila tafsir word "luar" ditambah.

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Post time 7-12-2017 01:33 PM | Show all posts
So tudung bukan pakaian ker?
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Post time 7-12-2017 02:20 PM | Show all posts
Muntz replied at 7-12-2017 01:33 PM
So tudung bukan pakaian ker?

pakaian ler. pakaian muslimah = baju & tudung. Setaz kita ( ceramah2 yg ai dgr) mentafsir , wanita tua diberi kelonggaran berpakaian iaitu tak perlu bertudung.

Tp Redskin kata ayat tu khas utk Pakaian (Luar)= Jilbab. Tudung & baju tetap kena pakai.

Gitulah ai faham. So now ai is fening
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Post time 7-12-2017 10:28 PM | Show all posts
guesswho09 replied at 26-11-2017 08:52 PM
kat klcc ka?
nmpk kete dia depan twin towers
2-3 hari lepas

yup.... pergi DFP rasanya....



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Post time 8-12-2017 01:18 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 8-12-2017 01:23 AM
borrow replied at 7-12-2017 01:06 PM
ok. Coz iayam konpius. Ai dgr ceramah radio setaz kata tudung. Setaz azri & Azhar pun kata tudung. ...

Sis silap dengar kot…MUSTAHIL dan tak percayala  DrMaza or Ustaz Azhar Idrus kata begitu.


Kalau Olamak tersohor Mesia SIS Zainah Anwar atau Olarmak Amina Wadud yg cakap
wanita tak payah pakai tudung..Red percaya...


thiyabunna = pakaian. Bila tafsir word "luar" ditambah.

Dlm Translations, perkataan dlm kurungan  itu adalah utk PEMAHAMAN maksud sebenar
ayat2 Al Quran supaya org tak keliru.


Kalau mengikut translation sis dimana dlm bracket (luar) dikeluarkan, maka ayat itu adalah seperti berikut.




And women of post-menstrual age who have no desire formarriage - there is no blame upon them for putting aside their garments [but] notdisplaying adornment. But to modestly refrain [from that] is better for them.And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. (An Nur: 60)

Dan mana-mana perempuan tua yang telah putus kedatangan haid,yang tidak mempunyai harapan berkahwin lagi maka tidak ada salahnya mereka menanggalkan pakaiannya, dengan tidak bertujuan mendedahkan perhiasan mereka;dalam pada itu perbuatan mereka menjaga kehormatannya (dengan tidakmenanggalkan pakaian luarnya itu adalah) lebih baik bagi mereka; dan (ingatlah)Allah Maha Mendengar, lagi Maha Mengetahui. (An-Nur:60)




Kalau ayat tersebut Allah SWT membenarkan wanita2 tua tak perlu pakai Tudung.

1. Adakah wanita tua tidak perlu menutup aurat rambutnya memakai telekung ketika Solat ?.
    Adakah kelonggaran disini? Mengapa Tidak??

2. Kalau ayat tu mengatakan/bermaksud tak perlu memakai tudung, mengapa TIADA perkataan Arab " Khumur/Khimar" disitu ???

3. Adakah ayat ini menyuruh membenarkan wanita tua BOGEL menanggalkan pakaian mereka ???
    As u know, 1400 tahun dahulu belum ada bra mahu pon panties.


4. Bagaimana dgn tidak berpakaian dapat tidak mendedahkan perhiasan mereka ???

5. Adakah logik cara translation sis dgn membuang perkataan dlm kurungan (LUAR) ???



Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah:
﴿وَقُللِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ﴾
(And tell the believing women to lower their gaze) ﴿24:31﴾ was abrogated and an exception was made in the case of:
﴿وَالْقَوَاعِدُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ الَّلَـتِى لاَ يَرْجُونَ نِكَاحاً﴾
(the past childbearing among women who do not hope for marriage, .)
﴿فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْهِنَّ جُنَاحٌ أَن يَضَعْنَ ثِيَابَهُنَّ﴾
(it is no sin on them if theydiscard their (outer) clothing) Ibn Mas`ud said about (outer) clothing,,"The Jilbab or Rida'.''




A similar view was also narrated from Ibn `Abbas, Ibn `Umar, Mujahid, Sa`id binJubayr, Abu Ash-Sha`tha', Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Az-Zuhri,Al-`Awza`i and others.
﴿غَيْرَ مُتَبَرِّجَـتِ بِزِينَةٍ﴾
(in such a way as not to showtheir adornment.) Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "They should not make a wanton display of themselves by removing their outer garment so that their adornment may be seen.''
﴿وَأَن يَسْتَعْفِفْنَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُنَّ﴾
(But to refrain is better forthem.) means, not removing their outer garment, even though that is permissiblefor them, is better for them.


Sedangkan Sahabat2 Nabi SAW, para2 pentafsir Al Quran Terkenal dan Imam2 Besar telah
mentafsirkan ayat tersebut bermaksud Outer garment (Pakaian Luar).


C’mon sis...tak perlu fening2, you’re smart enough...


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Post time 8-12-2017 01:33 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 8-12-2017 01:35 AM
borrow replied at 7-12-2017 02:20 PM
pakaian ler. pakaian muslimah = baju & tudung. Setaz kita ( ceramah2 yg ai dgr) mentafsir , wanita ...

wanita tua diberi kelonggaran berpakaian iaitu tak perlu bertudung.

Tp Redskin kata ayat tu khas utk Pakaian (Luar)= Jilbab. Tudung & baju tetap kena pakai.

Bukan Red yg cakap, saya cuma sampaikan apa pendapat Sahabat2 Nabi SAW, para2 pentafsir
Al Quran Terkenal dan pendapat Imam2 Besar tentang maksud ayat tersebut.


Why not you mintak kat Ustaz/Ustazah yg kata wanita tua tak perlu pakai Tudung
utk kemukakan BUKTI ayat2 Al Quran yg kata begitu dan sampaikan Hujah Redskin kpdnya.


Semoga dapat pencerahan.
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Post time 8-12-2017 08:59 AM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 8-12-2017 01:18 AM
Sis silap dengar kot…MUSTAHIL dan tak percayala  DrMaza or Ustaz Azhar Idrus kata begitu.

Kala ...

Tada la sampai stress.Ai ske bincang2 cam ni

1. Adakah wanita tua tidak perlu menutup aurat rambutnya memakai telekung ketika Solat ?.
    Adakah kelonggaran disini? Mengapa Tidak??
Fazura & Fatah berkahwin. Sheols x perlu tutup aurat dpn shuben dh. Sheol tetap kena pakai telekong jika bersolat kan?


2. Kalau ayat tu mengatakan/bermaksud tak perlu memakai tudung, mengapa TIADA perkataan Arab " Khumur/Khimar" disitu ???
Ayat tu juga tak tulis "jilbab"

3. Adakah ayat ini menyuruh membenarkan wanita tua BOGEL menanggalkan pakaian mereka ???
    As u know, 1400 tahun dahulu belum ada bra mahu pon panties.
kan ada letak syarat. Kompem la tak suh bogel.

AND [know that] women advanced in years, who no longer feel any sexual desire,
incur no sin if they discard their [outer] garments, provided they do not aim at a showy display of [their] charms.
But [even so,] it is better for them to abstain [from this]: and God is all-hearing, all-knowing.
- asad

Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments
provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty:
but it is best for them to be modest: and Allah is One Who sees and knows all things.
- yusuf ali


4. Bagaimana dgn tidak berpakaian dapat tidak mendedahkan perhiasan mereka ???


5. Adakah logik cara translation sis dgn membuang perkataan dlm kurungan (LUAR) ???
Maksud ai , ayat tu tak spesifik. Hanya "pakaian" . Tak sebut khimar or jilbab . Terbuka utk tafsiran.





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Post time 8-12-2017 09:00 AM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 8-12-2017 01:18 AM
Sis silap dengar kot…MUSTAHIL dan tak percayala  DrMaza or Ustaz Azhar Idrus kata begitu.

Kala ...

Ni 2 vid kat utube.








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Post time 8-12-2017 09:02 AM | Show all posts

problem is, dari muda dia tak bertudung. dari muda dilarang bertudung.

hal senang pun mahu belit2 tepek video konon pandai agama.




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Post time 8-12-2017 11:45 AM | Show all posts
borrow replied at 7-12-2017 02:20 PM
pakaian ler. pakaian muslimah = baju & tudung. Setaz kita ( ceramah2 yg ai dgr) mentafsir , wanita ...

Tak silap aku mmg tak wajib pakai tudung.

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Post time 8-12-2017 12:02 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Wajib ka tak Wajib ka pakai tudung ni @Maideen.    Sama-sama kita renungkan
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Post time 9-12-2017 12:22 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 9-12-2017 12:27 AM

Thanks sis bagi 2 vid dari 2 tokoh ilmuan agama yg Red cukup2 respect .

Tapi Red belum boleh setuju lagi dgn pendapat mereka SEBAB kedua2
mereka TIDAK memberi sebarang rujukan Al Quran dan Sunnah (Hadith)..NONE.

Bukanlah niat Red menentang mereka, memang diakui ilmu agama tokoh2 ini memang tinggi.
Bagi Red, ini cuma bertukar2 pendapat dan mencari KEBENARAN.


Komen vid pertama DrMaza.
Minit 1:09 – DM kata wanita tua “Termasukla depa tak pakai tudung kepala,
                    kalau nampak sikit tangan, lengan dan kaki mereka tak mengapa.
Minit 1:40 -  Al Quran adabagi kelonggaran…memang ada dlm Al Quran.


Red setuju dgn apa yg DM cakap till the end EXCEPT Wanita Tua Tak Perlu Pakai Tudung Kepala.

Kalau ternampak sikit2 tangan, lengan, kaki itu dimaafkan, ini sesiapa pon boleh faham..Red Tiada masalah.
Dlm situasi apakah yg dimaksudkan DM, adakah wanita tua itu didlm
rumah ataupon bebas diluar rumah ???   Ini nak kena tahu jugak.

Adakah wanita tua katalah 80+ boleh pergi berjalan2 makan angin,
naik turun shopping complex TAK PERLU pakai tudung or boleh berlengan pendek???

DrMaza bercerita tentang tuhan penyayang, soal neraka, pasal isteri menteri2
tak pakai tudung, tudung 3 segi, tudung bawal, budak university..etc

Sikit pon dia tidak sentuh pasal menerangkan Hukum bagi Wanita Qawa’id.

Dari awal hingga akhir, TIADA SATU PON ayat2 Al Quran diterangkan terperinci utk buat rujukan,
TIADA SATU PON Hadith diberi, TIADA SATU PON kisah dizaman
Nabi SAW mahupon kisah dari Sahabat2 Nabi SAW….NONE…ZERO.


Adakah sis menerima cakapnya bulat2 TANPA ada satu pon BUKTI.??


Komen vid Kedua UAI.
Minit 1:05 -Dimaafkan org2 yg TUA BANGKA tidak memakai tudung diatas kepalanya,
ni ada KHILAF ulamak, ada yg kata tua bangka kena pakai tudung jugak, jadi dia boleh
pakai baju sahaja tutup aurat tapi diatas kepala takde benda doh.


Tua Bangka macamana yg dimaksudkan ?  Kalau org tengok makan nasik,
terjeluak keluor nasik2 …dah tak berdaya langsung.


Kalau sudah tua Bangka tak larat, makan pon nak bersuap, bila makan
nasik pon tersembur, diaper pon kena org tukarkan tak berdaya…
memang la tak perlu dia memakai Tudung,
Nak kenakan tudung pon dia tak larat…  memang la dimaafkan.


Tapi ini bukan jenis yg sis maksudkan wanita tua yg tak perlu memakai
tudung yg dikatakan diberi kelonggaran kann ??


Soo Red setuju dgn kata2 UAI dan sis masih belum bagi sebarang BUKTI
kukuh yg menunjukkan wanita tua tak perlu pakai tudung…ZERO.




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Post time 9-12-2017 01:22 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Redskin at 9-12-2017 01:25 AM

Red recap point2 yg lepas...

PERTAMA..

Imam Al-Qurtubi said in his famous exegesis of the Qur’an:

“It is not permissible for her [the elderly woman] to remove her khimar [headscarf]. The correct position is that she is to cover just like a young woman except that she is allowed to remove her jilbaab, which is placed on top of the shirt and khimar. This was stated by the companions Ibn Mas’ud, Ibn Jubayr, and others” (Qurtubi n.d.).

KEDUA..

“There is neither harm nor sin upon them [the elderly past-child bearing women] for putting aside their jilbaab, which is a covering placed on top of the khimar, and putting aside their ridaa’, which is placed on top of the clothes. There is no harm on them for putting aside these things in front of mahram or ghayr-mahram men” (Tabari n.d.).

KETIGA..

Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah:
﴿وَقُللِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ﴾
(And tell the believing women to lower their gaze) ﴿24:31﴾ was abrogated and an exception was made in the case of:
﴿وَالْقَوَاعِدُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ الَّلَـتِى لاَ يَرْجُونَ نِكَاحاً﴾
(the past childbearing among women who do not hope for marriage, .)
﴿فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْهِنَّ جُنَاحٌ أَن يَضَعْنَ ثِيَابَهُنَّ﴾
(it is no sin on them if theydiscard their (outer) clothing) Ibn Mas`ud said about (outer) clothing,,"The Jilbab or Rida'.''


(Commentary Ibn Kathir )

KEEMPAT...

A similar view was also narrated from Ibn `Abbas, Ibn `Umar, Mujahid, Sa`id binJubayr, Abu Ash-Sha`tha', Ibrahim An-Nakha`i, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Az-Zuhri,Al-`Awza`i and others.


Harap Sis Borrow selidik SIAPAKAH Ibn Kathir dan nama TOKOH2 Agama yg namanya Tertera diatas..???


Sebelum banyak lagi Bukti2 akan menyusul...

Red berharap sangat kalau sis dapat beri sebarang BUKTI sokongan
mengatakan Wanita Tua ( Qawa'id)  tak perlu memakai Tudung..




Dapat satu Hadith pon takpe..Hadith Lemah pon boleh..Better than Nothing !!!


plsssssss....


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Post time 9-12-2017 02:25 AM | Show all posts
cecari replied at 7-12-2017 07:42 AM
hang ni mentaliti sampah. kat forum pun nak buat sampah. get a life la woi

Bangsat klu takde isi lebih baik diam. Ko taknak kalau jugak khenn....phuii
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Post time 9-12-2017 02:27 AM | Show all posts
Modngengade replied at 7-12-2017 08:35 AM
itulah akibat terlalu byk menadah terung congo dekkk

Amboiii...klu iya pun ko nak flirt dgn lobai cecariii tu janganlah gunakan aku pulak kohkohhh
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Post time 9-12-2017 05:37 AM | Show all posts
OrenTheReturn replied at 9-12-2017 02:25 AM
Bangsat klu takde isi lebih baik diam. Ko taknak kalau jugak khenn....phuii

hoi sampah forum. hang diam jgn dok kencing merata. dasar mentaliti sampah.

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Post time 9-12-2017 05:47 AM | Show all posts
cecari replied at 9-12-2017 05:37 AM
hoi sampah forum. hang diam jgn dok kencing merata. dasar mentaliti sampah.

Bangsat taknak kalah, sampah sarap sgt!! Booo boooooooooooo
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Post time 9-12-2017 08:40 AM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 9-12-2017 12:22 AM
Thanks sis bagi 2 vid dari 2 tokoh ilmuan agama yg Red cukup2 respect .
Tapi Red belum boleh setu ...

welkem

Kikiki DrMaza perli. Isteri muntri mekap pun tak tanggal . Heols tak sentuh mendalam mebi coz tu seisi Q&A ringkas ja. Kena bukak kelas tafsir baru vley pjg lebar. Ai puas hati dgn ayat quran tu , itu bukti , bukannya purcaya vulat2 hoccay
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Post time 9-12-2017 08:45 AM | Show all posts
Redskin replied at 9-12-2017 01:22 AM
Red recap point2 yg lepas...

PERTAMA..

Ai x hafal hadis & tada masa nk gi library carik. Kaka ada diskus isu ni ngan ustaz2 kat malaysia tak

Jgn lupa tunjuk picci & penerangan perbezaan sebelum diberi kelonggaran dan dh diberi kelonggaran . Muda dan tua . Versi kefahaman kaka.

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